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		<title>By: blah</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232228</link>
		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pundits are not in the game to predict the outcome or to interpret the data.  

They are in the game to influence the outcome and spin the data.  It&#039;s pretty clear that over the past month or so the pundits have been pumping up Clinton and knocking down Obama in order to prolong the Democratic primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The pundits are not in the game to predict the outcome or to interpret the data.</p>

	<p>They are in the game to influence the outcome and spin the data.  It&#8217;s pretty clear that over the past month or so the pundits have been pumping up Clinton and knocking down Obama in order to prolong the Democratic primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Horse Races and Odds</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232206</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Horse Races and Odds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel notes, we don&#8217;t normally do horse race stuff here. And this is week old horse race stuff. But [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Daniel notes, we don&#8217;t normally do horse race stuff here. And this is week old horse race stuff. But [...]</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232199</link>
		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What jj said, take a good look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slate&#039;s delegate counter&lt;/a&gt; and at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/main/democrats&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous results&lt;/a&gt; and you will find out: 

The race is over!

(unless the Democratic party wants to self-destruct and make a total mockery of the primary system)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What jj said, take a good look at <a href="http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/" rel="nofollow">Slate&#8217;s delegate counter</a> and at the <a href="http://news.aol.com/elections/primary/main/democrats" rel="nofollow">previous results</a> and you will find out:</p>

	<p>The race is over!</p>

	<p>(unless the Democratic party wants to self-destruct and make a total mockery of the primary system)</p>
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		<title>By: john con</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232179</link>
		<dc:creator>john con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and Gentlemen please welcome President Obama of the United States</description>
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		<title>By: Henrico Otto</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232178</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrico Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the market is out-of-whack here.

While a number of folks have pointed to Obama&#039;s almost insurmountable leading in pledged delegates, it is also almost certain that Obama won&#039;t have enough to win it without Supers.

The question is how will the supers go?

Seems to me if Obama keeps his lead in the popular vote, he&#039;s got the nearly unbeatable argument that he&#039;s got the lead in votes and delegates and that the Supers have no choice but to vatify the voters&#039; decisions.

BUT there is a significant chance he won&#039;t hold on to the popular vote lead (it&#039;s around 700,000 now, right?), especially if Fla is counted (better argument for Fla than MI) or Fla and/or MI is redone.

If HRC has the popular vote lead, then Obama&#039;s argument is &quot;Well, I&#039;ve got more pledged delegates.&quot;  That argument goes up against HRC&#039;s &quot;Well I won more votes, and the pledged delegate lead has no particular moral force, certainly none to compare to the popular vote.  Moreover, Obama has wilted in the end, I won more big important states, yada yada yada.&quot;  There is a significant chance she wins that argument, of course she will need to persuade many more supers than Obama, so even though I think she would have the better of the argument she&#039;s got a handicap there.

So what might the market be reflecting?  Some greater than 25% chance of winning the popular vote in the end -- let&#039;s say one in 35-40% -- and then a reasonably high chance of winning the necessary supers if she does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think the market is out-of-whack here.</p>

	<p>While a number of folks have pointed to Obama&#8217;s almost insurmountable leading in pledged delegates, it is also almost certain that Obama won&#8217;t have enough to win it without Supers.</p>

	<p>The question is how will the supers go?</p>

	<p>Seems to me if Obama keeps his lead in the popular vote, he&#8217;s got the nearly unbeatable argument that he&#8217;s got the lead in votes and delegates and that the Supers have no choice but to vatify the voters&#8217; decisions.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BUT</span> there is a significant chance he won&#8217;t hold on to the popular vote lead (it&#8217;s around 700,000 now, right?), especially if Fla is counted (better argument for Fla than MI) or Fla and/or MI is redone.</p>

	<p>If <span class="caps">HRC</span> has the popular vote lead, then Obama&#8217;s argument is &#8220;Well, I&#8217;ve got more pledged delegates.&#8221;  That argument goes up against <span class="caps">HRC</span>&#8217;s &#8220;Well I won more votes, and the pledged delegate lead has no particular moral force, certainly none to compare to the popular vote.  Moreover, Obama has wilted in the end, I won more big important states, yada yada yada.&#8221;  There is a significant chance she wins that argument, of course she will need to persuade many more supers than Obama, so even though I think she would have the better of the argument she&#8217;s got a handicap there.</p>

	<p>So what might the market be reflecting?  Some greater than 25% chance of winning the popular vote in the end&#8212;let&#8217;s say one in 35-40%&#8212;and then a reasonably high chance of winning the necessary supers if she does?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232174</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the comments here, all I can do is ask you to continue your policy of staying away from the horse-race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After reading the comments here, all I can do is ask you to continue your policy of staying away from the horse-race.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232172</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As far as I can tell, the tracking polls are telling more or less the same story at present. As far as I can see, the punditosphere seems to have got rather ahead of the data here; there’s a potential test of whether they have any actual predictive ability.&quot;

The data you link to isn&#039;t particularly relevant so this is a great test because the bettors are using mostly relevant information while the news media is using irrelevant information.  A 3-5% for Obama among Democrats means a lock for him at this point because the important metric is delegates.  In order for Clinton to win she needs to start racking up 15-25% leads in the remaining contests.  So a small margin (either way) in the remaining races equals an Obama win--which is what the betting market is looking at.  

The reason she hasn&#039;t cratered to near zero is because the super-delegates thing is up in the air until the end, so there she theoretically has an out (even if it is very unlikely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;As far as I can tell, the tracking polls are telling more or less the same story at present. As far as I can see, the punditosphere seems to have got rather ahead of the data here; there&#8217;s a potential test of whether they have any actual predictive ability.&#8221;</p>

	<p>The data you link to isn&#8217;t particularly relevant so this is a great test because the bettors are using mostly relevant information while the news media is using irrelevant information.  <span class="caps">A 3</span>-5% for Obama among Democrats means a lock for him at this point because the important metric is delegates.  In order for Clinton to win she needs to start racking up 15-25% leads in the remaining contests.  So a small margin (either way) in the remaining races equals an Obama win&#8212;which is what the betting market is looking at.</p>

	<p>The reason she hasn&#8217;t cratered to near zero is because the super-delegates thing is up in the air until the end, so there she theoretically has an out (even if it is very unlikely).</p>
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		<title>By: john con</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232164</link>
		<dc:creator>john con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have been far oftener discriminated against because I am a woman than because I am black&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I have been far oftener discriminated against because I am a woman than because I am black&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Jerome</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232157</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just not seeing Clinton winning on the back of overwhelming superdelegate support unless there are substantial errors by Obama (of the &quot;dead girl or live boy&quot; variety). 

If I were a superdelegate that was a big Clinton supporter, why would I not have declared by now? Why not at the beginning of the process as part of an effort to reduce the fundraising ability of the other candidates? If you check out the wikipedia page on superdelegates and look at their declarations of support over time, you&#039;ll find that Hillary got all of her lead at the beginning of the process and now Obama is rapidly gaining. I can only imagine that this pattern will continue for two reasons. 1. Hillary continues to attack Obama rather than build her own support. 2. Hillary continues to attack Obama &lt;i&gt;from the right&lt;/i&gt; making it clear that this is the way that she would pivot in the general if she were the nominee. 

There is no reason to think that (again, barring an Obama collapse or a media declaration of such) Hillary is the natural choice of the 300 or so undeclared superdelegates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m just not seeing Clinton winning on the back of overwhelming superdelegate support unless there are substantial errors by Obama (of the &#8220;dead girl or live boy&#8221; variety).</p>

	<p>If I were a superdelegate that was a big Clinton supporter, why would I not have declared by now? Why not at the beginning of the process as part of an effort to reduce the fundraising ability of the other candidates? If you check out the wikipedia page on superdelegates and look at their declarations of support over time, you&#8217;ll find that Hillary got all of her lead at the beginning of the process and now Obama is rapidly gaining. I can only imagine that this pattern will continue for two reasons. 1. Hillary continues to attack Obama rather than build her own support. 2. Hillary continues to attack Obama <i>from the right</i> making it clear that this is the way that she would pivot in the general if she were the nominee.</p>

	<p>There is no reason to think that (again, barring an Obama collapse or a media declaration of such) Hillary is the natural choice of the 300 or so undeclared superdelegates.</p>
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		<title>By: not even an MBA</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232153</link>
		<dc:creator>not even an MBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what value is there in testing the predictive ability of the punditocracy.  That group is less accountable than the Alberto Gonzales era Justice Department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But what value is there in testing the predictive ability of the punditocracy.  That group is less accountable than the Alberto Gonzales era Justice Department.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232149</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, one more time: Jon Chait summed up the state of the race pretty well in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ba30ff16-a5af-4035-a883-cf15ffee406c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this TNR piece&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry, one more time: Jon Chait summed up the state of the race pretty well in <a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=ba30ff16-a5af-4035-a883-cf15ffee406c" rel="nofollow">this <span class="caps">TNR</span> piece</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232148</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slate has a delegate counter up:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/&lt;/a&gt; 
(Put Wyoming and Mississippi in for Obama by 20 points each)

There are three ways she can win. 1) She can win every race from here on out by 25-30 point margins, 2) she can rack up 20 point margins everywhere and figure out how to seat Michigan and Florida, and then win them by 20 point margins each, or 3) she can figure out how to get the superdelegates to usurp the will of the voters. 

That&#039;s it. 

Jon Chait summed up the state of the race pretty well in &lt;a&gt;this TNR piece&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Slate has a delegate counter up:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/</a><br />
(Put Wyoming and Mississippi in for Obama by 20 points each)</p>

	<p>There are three ways she can win. 1) She can win every race from here on out by 25-30 point margins, 2) she can rack up 20 point margins everywhere and figure out how to seat Michigan and Florida, and then win them by 20 point margins each, or 3) she can figure out how to get the superdelegates to usurp the will of the voters.</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s it.</p>

	<p>Jon Chait summed up the state of the race pretty well in <a>this <span class="caps">TNR</span> piece</a></p>
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		<title>By: bigTom</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232139</link>
		<dc:creator>bigTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were in HRC&#039;s position, I would continue running, but not make strongly negative attacks. That way she is still in the running if Obama were to self-destruct, but she wouldn&#039;t be making so many enemies within her own party. The later effect may hurt her future career, and that just doesn&#039;t seem like a reasonable tradeoff to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If I were in <span class="caps">HRC</span>&#8217;s position, I would continue running, but not make strongly negative attacks. That way she is still in the running if Obama were to self-destruct, but she wouldn&#8217;t be making so many enemies within her own party. The later effect may hurt her future career, and that just doesn&#8217;t seem like a reasonable tradeoff to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/12/us-election-horse-race/comment-page-1/#comment-232135</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One factor no one&#039;s mentioned is the superdelegates.  Thanks to them, Hillary could well win the nomination -- all she has to do is not lose more ground in the primaries, then get the supers by a two-to-one margin.  Everything I&#039;ve seen since 1992 indicates the Clinton machine can do that.

I don&#039;t expect Hillary to win, but she has a realistic shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One factor no one&#8217;s mentioned is the superdelegates.  Thanks to them, Hillary could well win the nomination&#8212;all she has to do is not lose more ground in the primaries, then get the supers by a two-to-one margin.  Everything I&#8217;ve seen since 1992 indicates the Clinton machine can do that.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t expect Hillary to win, but she has a realistic shot.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supers I&#039;ve seen so far (on TV), vast majority of them, almost without exception, seemed eager to jump Clinton&#039;s ship. OTOH, maybe those who still are loyal to her don&#039;t want to be on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The supers I&#8217;ve seen so far (on TV), vast majority of them, almost without exception, seemed eager to jump Clinton&#8217;s ship. <span class="caps">OTOH</span>, maybe those who still are loyal to her don&#8217;t want to be on TV.</p>
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