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	<title>Comments on: Academic journals: thinking from the &#8216;South&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: SusanC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-233000</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.usenix.org/2008/03/12/usenix-announces-open-access-to-conference-proceedings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USENIX Announces Open Access to Conference Proceedings&lt;/a&gt;

In computer science, many of the major publications have gone open access. So it &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be done.

I seem to recall - from a committee meeting years ago - that, relative to other departments, computer science departments spent less on buying books and more on employing librarians. The reason for this was said to be that CS technical reports were often free or sold at the margin cost of printing. 

In some ways, open access proceedings on the Internet is a continuation of a long-standing tradition of free tech reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://blogs.usenix.org/2008/03/12/usenix-announces-open-access-to-conference-proceedings/" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">USENIX </span>Announces Open Access to Conference Proceedings</a></p>

	<p>In computer science, many of the major publications have gone open access. So it <i>can</i> be done.</p>

	<p>I seem to recall &#8211; from a committee meeting years ago &#8211; that, relative to other departments, computer science departments spent less on buying books and more on employing librarians. The reason for this was said to be that CS technical reports were often free or sold at the margin cost of printing.</p>

	<p>In some ways, open access proceedings on the Internet is a continuation of a long-standing tradition of free tech reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Yet another reason to support Open Access &#171; Entertaining Research</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232611</link>
		<dc:creator>Yet another reason to support Open Access &#171; Entertaining Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another reason to support Open&#160;Access  Ingrid Robeyns at Crooked Timber with her view from the &#8220;South&#8221;:  If the information I get from (associate) editors of journals who explicitly encourage [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] another reason to support Open&nbsp;Access  Ingrid Robeyns at Crooked Timber with her view from the &#8220;South&#8221;: &#160;If the information I get from (associate) editors of journals who explicitly encourage [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nigel holmes</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232574</link>
		<dc:creator>nigel holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Timothy Burke&#039;s point in 15 above.
A &quot;huge consortial effort&quot; worries me, because I want to see a reasonable range of possible outlets (to balance any biases in a single journal&#039;s acceptances).  The leading journals in my field are closed access journals produced by societies aimed at furthering their subject.  If such societies would accept open access as serving their stated goals, most of the problem would be done away with.

Incidentally, it&#039;s good to see that some people don&#039;t just see open access as meaning &quot;making it easy for &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; to listen to &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To Timothy Burke&#8217;s point in 15 above.<br />
A &#8220;huge consortial effort&#8221; worries me, because I want to see a reasonable range of possible outlets (to balance any biases in a single journal&#8217;s acceptances).  The leading journals in my field are closed access journals produced by societies aimed at furthering their subject.  If such societies would accept open access as serving their stated goals, most of the problem would be done away with.</p>

	<p>Incidentally, it&#8217;s good to see that some people don&#8217;t just see open access as meaning &#8220;making it easy for <i>them</i> to listen to <i>us</i>.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232570</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care about poco literature. What _I_ want is an evolving school of historians in the global south who are writing about the global north. When _Lagos Historical Review_ produces a series of articles about (say) the causes of the first world war, I&#039;ll be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t really care about poco literature. What <em>I</em> want is an evolving school of historians in the global south who are writing about the global north. When <em>Lagos Historical Review</em> produces a series of articles about (say) the causes of the first world war, I&#8217;ll be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph Fritz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232563</link>
		<dc:creator>Randolph Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, on slashdot article &amp; discussion at:

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/14/1425247
(sorry, link not working)

Linked in previous, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/joalet.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DE Knuth&lt;/a&gt;, one of the luminaries of computer science</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, on slashdot article &#038; discussion at:</p>

	<p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/14/1425247" rel="nofollow">http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/14/1425247</a><br />
(sorry, link not working)</p>

	<p>Linked in previous, <a href="http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/joalet.pdf" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">DE </span>Knuth</a>, one of the luminaries of computer science</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph Fritz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232562</link>
		<dc:creator>Randolph Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we have physicists weighing in on the issue </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And here we have physicists weighing in on the issue</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232479</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry that worrying about patronising Southern scholars is patronising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I worry that worrying about patronising Southern scholars is patronising.</p>
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		<title>By: Laleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that wasn&#039;t meant to be crossed through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>that wasn&#8217;t meant to be crossed through!</p>
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		<title>By: Laleh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232474</link>
		<dc:creator>Laleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy (#16)

I rather worry that we are patronising the Southern scholars by assuming that our Euro/American/Atlantic-centric research -that universalises our social/political conditions to the whole of the world using methodologies that are problematic (and some that are not)- are actually relevant and useful to the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Timothy (#16)</p>

	<p>I rather worry that we are patronising the Southern scholars by assuming that our Euro/American/Atlantic-centric research <del>that universalises our social/political conditions to the whole of the world using methodologies that are problematic (and some that are not)</del> are actually relevant and useful to the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Amardeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amardeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also support the idea of Open Access for the reasons Ingrid put forward in the post.

I work in a field (postcolonial literature) which is in some sense *about* the global south, so the question of who is published in the major journals is all the more intense. Unfortunately, when I&#039;ve been asked to review articles written by scholars based at universities in India and Pakistan, I have usually had to turn them down. The vast majority of published essays in postcolonial studies journals are written by people with some credentials at western universities, even if they sometimes also have an earlier connection to a university in the global south. 

If we can&#039;t solve this problem in the short run, one way to alleviate some of the assymetry in access to information is to contribute condensed versions of our &quot;findings,&quot; as well as other kinds of specialized knowledge, to Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I also support the idea of Open Access for the reasons Ingrid put forward in the post.</p>

	<p>I work in a field (postcolonial literature) which is in some sense <strong>about</strong> the global south, so the question of who is published in the major journals is all the more intense. Unfortunately, when I&#8217;ve been asked to review articles written by scholars based at universities in India and Pakistan, I have usually had to turn them down. The vast majority of published essays in postcolonial studies journals are written by people with some credentials at western universities, even if they sometimes also have an earlier connection to a university in the global south.</p>

	<p>If we can&#8217;t solve this problem in the short run, one way to alleviate some of the assymetry in access to information is to contribute condensed versions of our &#8220;findings,&#8221; as well as other kinds of specialized knowledge, to Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232457</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a game theory problem. Perhaps we need to start a linked series of pledgebank pledges: &quot;I will submit my next decent article to an open access journal provided that 100 other scholars in my discipline do likewise.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is a game theory problem. Perhaps we need to start a linked series of pledgebank pledges: &#8220;I will submit my next decent article to an open access journal provided that 100 other scholars in my discipline do likewise.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232449</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to Jonathan&#039;s points above:

Why not fund OA through a huge consortial effort by universities and colleges in the U.S.? That strikes me as wholly sufficient to pay for its costs, and dispense with any kind of fee assessed at the time of access *or* publication.

This then removes any need for a complicated publisher-side agreement for discounts by taking the publisher out of the picture altogether. Which, in the case of most academic research in short-form publication, strikes me as wholly appropriate. Most of the productive labor and costs involved in producing scholarly knowledge are already paid out by the universities themselves anyway.

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Laleh: Call me crazy, but I think it would be nice to wait and see what intellectuals and scholars in &quot;the South&quot; actually do or do not find interesting and valid if and when scholarly publication circulates freely. It&#039;s kind of presumptuous to decide in advance what might happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As to Jonathan&#8217;s points above:</p>

	<p>Why not fund OA through a huge consortial effort by universities and colleges in the U.S.? That strikes me as wholly sufficient to pay for its costs, and dispense with any kind of fee assessed at the time of access <strong>or</strong> publication.</p>

	<p>This then removes any need for a complicated publisher-side agreement for discounts by taking the publisher out of the picture altogether. Which, in the case of most academic research in short-form publication, strikes me as wholly appropriate. Most of the productive labor and costs involved in producing scholarly knowledge are already paid out by the universities themselves anyway.<br />
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Laleh: Call me crazy, but I think it would be nice to wait and see what intellectuals and scholars in &#8220;the South&#8221; actually do or do not find interesting and valid if and when scholarly publication circulates freely. It&#8217;s kind of presumptuous to decide in advance what might happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232447</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bring this point up as often as I can manage, and it always stuns me how much colleagues and students who are willing to invest a great deal of effort in global social justice are either indifferent or actively hostile to this point. Shifting to OA is one of the easiest things we could do as academics in relationship to the impact on global inequity in our own profession (and beyond).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I bring this point up as often as I can manage, and it always stuns me how much colleagues and students who are willing to invest a great deal of effort in global social justice are either indifferent or actively hostile to this point. Shifting to OA is one of the easiest things we could do as academics in relationship to the impact on global inequity in our own profession (and beyond).</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph Fritz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232414</link>
		<dc:creator>Randolph Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, maybe we need OLPA (one laptop per academic).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Y&#8217;know, maybe we need <span class="caps">OLPA </span>(one laptop per academic).</p>
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		<title>By: Angry African on the Loose</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/13/academic-journals-thinking-from-the-south/comment-page-1/#comment-232413</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry African on the Loose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the debate out of the academic circles and have a look at two stories how Africans adapt ICT to make new waves in political campaigning in Zimbabwe and start real win-win businesses in Soweto. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/11/web-20-african-style/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Take the debate out of the academic circles and have a look at two stories how Africans adapt <span class="caps">ICT</span> to make new waves in political campaigning in Zimbabwe and start real win-win businesses in Soweto. <a href="http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/11/web-20-african-style/" rel="nofollow">http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/11/web-20-african-style/</a></p>
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