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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234831</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re getting at, Brett; I don&#039;t see the logic. I see that you want to talk about the blood libel and contrast it with some real atrocities perpetrated by some Muslims. 

Now, look, you could, as well, pick some libelous anti-Muslim stuff (shouldn&#039;t be too difficult, a day&#039;s worth of the LGF should have plenty) and contrast it with, say, Murder, Inc., or, for that matter, any number of &#039;Jewish&#039; atrocities perpetrated by Israeli Zionists (here, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, for example). And now what? What does it prove, what does it mean to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re getting at, Brett; I don&#8217;t see the logic. I see that you want to talk about the blood libel and contrast it with some real atrocities perpetrated by some Muslims.</p>

	<p>Now, look, you could, as well, pick some libelous anti-Muslim stuff (shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult, a day&#8217;s worth of the <span class="caps">LGF</span> should have plenty) and contrast it with, say, Murder, Inc., or, for that matter, any number of &#8216;Jewish&#8217; atrocities perpetrated by Israeli Zionists (here, read <a href="http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a>, for example). And now what? What does it prove, what does it mean to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234822</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abb1, there&#039;s a difference between an evil not being exclusive to a group, and it being imaginary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Abb1, there&#8217;s a difference between an evil not being exclusive to a group, and it being imaginary.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234820</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both are about equally imaginary evils, Brett. 

People who blow up people in public (and other) places are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. In fact I suspect Jews and Christians in the last 50-60 years probably have been far ahead in the &#039;blowing up people&#039; game. I&#039;m sure you feel that they for the most part had good excuses to blow up people, but that&#039;s just your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Both are about equally imaginary evils, Brett.</p>

	<p>People who blow up people in public (and other) places are Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. In fact I suspect Jews and Christians in the last 50-60 years probably have been far ahead in the &#8216;blowing up people&#8217; game. I&#8217;m sure you feel that they for the most part had good excuses to blow up people, but that&#8217;s just your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234798</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;It really is exactly identical to standard 20th century antisemitism, and I believe it really is the same phenomenon.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, not quite, in that Jews weren&#039;t really using the blood of Muslim babies in their Passover bread, but Muslims really do blow up people in public places using  suicide bombers, behead people, and so on. That is to say, the one is about an imaginary evil, the other about a real evil which, while it isn&#039;t remotely universal, sadly IS associated with a particular religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;It really is exactly identical to standard 20th century antisemitism, and I believe it really is the same phenomenon.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Well, not quite, in that Jews weren&#8217;t really using the blood of Muslim babies in their Passover bread, but Muslims really do blow up people in public places using  suicide bombers, behead people, and so on. That is to say, the one is about an imaginary evil, the other about a real evil which, while it isn&#8217;t remotely universal, sadly IS associated with a particular religion.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234782</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...dark baddies who don&#039;t like us...&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I noticed in many cases it&#039;s even worse than that; one doesn&#039;t even have to be dark. Any association will do: the name, clothes, accent, facial features, anything. It really is exactly identical to standard 20th century antisemitism, and I believe it really is the same phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8230;dark baddies who don&#8217;t like us&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>Actually, I noticed in many cases it&#8217;s even worse than that; one doesn&#8217;t even have to be dark. Any association will do: the name, clothes, accent, facial features, anything. It really is exactly identical to standard 20th century antisemitism, and I believe it really is the same phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: dawud</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a muslim who thought that the accusation that Obama was a &#039;secret muslim&#039; was meant to be a slander, I actually thought along those &#039;good news/bad news&#039; lines, but realize now that, as others have argued above, &#039;muslim&#039; just means &#039;dark baddies who don&#039;t like us&#039; - I call to witness John McCain&#039;s idiocy that Iran is funding al-Qaeda, a comment he repeated three times while in Iraq, even after being corrected - and obviously attributable not to a &#039;senior moment&#039; but to his attempting to appeal to that American constituency which actually thinks that muslim=al-Qaeda=Shia and/or Sunni, all the same=bad guys who hate us...

argh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a muslim who thought that the accusation that Obama was a &#8216;secret muslim&#8217; was meant to be a slander, I actually thought along those &#8216;good news/bad news&#8217; lines, but realize now that, as others have argued above, &#8216;muslim&#8217; just means &#8216;dark baddies who don&#8217;t like us&#8217; &#8211; I call to witness John McCain&#8217;s idiocy that Iran is funding al-Qaeda, a comment he repeated three times while in Iraq, even after being corrected &#8211; and obviously attributable not to a &#8216;senior moment&#8217; but to his attempting to appeal to that American constituency which actually thinks that muslim=al-Qaeda=Shia and/or Sunni, all the same=bad guys who hate us&#8230;</p>

	<p>argh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they mistakenly forgot to poll americans as to whether they believe Rev. Wright is a muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>they mistakenly forgot to poll americans as to whether they believe Rev. Wright is a muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: thompsaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>thompsaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a UCC church and attended a historically congregationalist liberal arts college. I think this means I&#039;m awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I grew up in a <span class="caps">UCC</span> church and attended a historically congregationalist liberal arts college. I think this means I&#8217;m awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234713</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  He should promise those people candy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right.  He should promise those people candy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Holsclaw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234712</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Holsclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let’s face it though, if you’re dumb enough to think Obama’s a Muslim on the sly you were never going to vote for him in the first place. Best bet is ignore this “constituency” and move on.&quot;

Since this seems to afflict Democrats as well as Republicans, Obama might want to worry about the constituency a little bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s face it though, if you&#8217;re dumb enough to think Obama&#8217;s a Muslim on the sly you were never going to vote for him in the first place. Best bet is ignore this &#8220;constituency&#8221; and move on.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Since this seems to afflict Democrats as well as Republicans, Obama might want to worry about the constituency a little bit.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;educated in a radical Muslim school&lt;/i&gt;
Is that what they&#039;re calling Harvard now? I guess with every president since Reagan going to Yale it&#039;s hardly surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>educated in a radical Muslim school</i><br />
Is that what they&#8217;re calling Harvard now? I guess with every president since Reagan going to Yale it&#8217;s hardly surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess that there are a fair number of people who make very little distinction in their minds between Christianity as seen in black churches, and Islam (at least the &quot;black muslim&quot; variety of Islam).  Jesse Jackson, Rev. Wright, Malcom X and Louis Farrakan all blend together as angry black men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would guess that there are a fair number of people who make very little distinction in their minds between Christianity as seen in black churches, and Islam (at least the &#8220;black muslim&#8221; variety of Islam).  Jesse Jackson, Rev. Wright, Malcom X and Louis Farrakan all blend together as angry black men.</p>
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		<title>By: shpx.ohfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>shpx.ohfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings to mind last week&#039;s survey in the Economist wherein 80% of Americans surveyed professed a belief in god, but only 55% in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This brings to mind last week&#8217;s survey in the Economist wherein 80% of Americans surveyed professed a belief in god, but only 55% in hell.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/02/the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds/comment-page-1/#comment-234675</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents tell me that he was educated in a radical Muslim school, and if he is the nominee they will vote for McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My parents tell me that he was educated in a radical Muslim school, and if he is the nominee they will vote for McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Witt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Witt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0328/p03s07-ussc.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a good angle&lt;/a&gt; on the pastor controversy:

&lt;blockquote&gt;How people hear something depends on their own experience and worldview, says Teresa Fry Brown, who teaches the art of preaching at Emory University in Atlanta. &quot;I listen to 60 sermons a week by black and white pastors, and you could find something in almost any one that is offensive to somebody.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The key as to whether language is hate speech lies in a preacher&#039;s overall message, according to Martin Marty, professor emeritus of the University of Chicago Divinity School and renowned historian of religion. Dr. Marty, who has visited Trinity many times, says, &quot;If Wright only had whites in his searchlight, you might call it [hate speech]. But he goes after the men in his church&quot; about fatherhood, he puts himself and his people under the prophetic spotlight.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Prophetic preaching has been fundamental to the black church since the days of slavery. The Bible and its thundering prophets modeled a way forward that enabled black preachers to speak the hard truths while simultaneously envisioning a better future. [...]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; As Dr. King once wrote, there can only be deep disappointment where there is deep love, Braxton says. That&#039;s the way he sees Wright&#039;s deep disappointment and anger, too – not as hateful speech, but simply &quot;radical,&quot; from someone who expects so much more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some say it may also be the style of preaching that puts people off, especially those used to a tamer message.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Prophetic preaching involves critique and social analysis,&quot; says Dr. Fry Brown. &quot;One has to be able to assess the needs and issues of a people and then, using language the people understand, say, &#039;This is what&#039;s happening. God is not pleased. We need to do something about it.&#039;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought this was <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0328/p03s07-ussc.htm" rel="nofollow">a good angle</a> on the pastor controversy:</p>

	<p><blockquote>How people hear something depends on their own experience and worldview, says Teresa Fry Brown, who teaches the art of preaching at Emory University in Atlanta. &#8220;I listen to 60 sermons a week by black and white pastors, and you could find something in almost any one that is offensive to somebody.&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>The key as to whether language is hate speech lies in a preacher&#8217;s overall message, according to Martin Marty, professor emeritus of the University of Chicago Divinity School and renowned historian of religion. Dr. Marty, who has visited Trinity many times, says, &#8220;If Wright only had whites in his searchlight, you might call it [hate speech]. But he goes after the men in his church&#8221; about fatherhood, he puts himself and his people under the prophetic spotlight.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>Prophetic preaching has been fundamental to the black church since the days of slavery. The Bible and its thundering prophets modeled a way forward that enabled black preachers to speak the hard truths while simultaneously envisioning a better future. [...]</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote> As Dr. King once wrote, there can only be deep disappointment where there is deep love, Braxton says. That&#8217;s the way he sees Wright&#8217;s deep disappointment and anger, too &#8211; not as hateful speech, but simply &#8220;radical,&#8221; from someone who expects so much more.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>Some say it may also be the style of preaching that puts people off, especially those used to a tamer message.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>&#8220;Prophetic preaching involves critique and social analysis,&#8221; says Dr. Fry Brown. &#8220;One has to be able to assess the needs and issues of a people and then, using language the people understand, say, &#8216;This is what&#8217;s happening. God is not pleased. We need to do something about it.&#8217;&#8221;</blockquote></p>
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