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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235507</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is this an integral part of the one per cent doctrine: when there is a one per cent risk of an extreme event you become hyperactive in some displacement activity?&lt;/i&gt;

Good point.  Maybe you respond to the extreme event with one percent of your energies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Is this an integral part of the one per cent doctrine: when there is a one per cent risk of an extreme event you become hyperactive in some displacement activity?</i></p>

	<p>Good point.  Maybe you respond to the extreme event with one percent of your energies.</p>
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		<title>By: Guano</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235359</link>
		<dc:creator>Guano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going back to the original article in LRB: it starts with the story about Dick Cheney hearing of a meeting between Osama Bin Laden and a Pakistani nuclear scientist and Cheney concluding that if there is one per cent chance that Al Qaida is seeking nuclear weapons then action must be taken (and no wasting time about finding out if it is true or calibrating the risks etc). What I find odd about this story is that Cheney took no action that addresses this problem: instead he got the USA to invade Iraq. 

Is this an integral part of the one per cent doctrine: when there is a one per cent risk of an extreme event you become hyperactive in some displacement activity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Going back to the original article in <span class="caps">LRB</span>: it starts with the story about Dick Cheney hearing of a meeting between Osama Bin Laden and a Pakistani nuclear scientist and Cheney concluding that if there is one per cent chance that Al Qaida is seeking nuclear weapons then action must be taken (and no wasting time about finding out if it is true or calibrating the risks etc). What I find odd about this story is that Cheney took no action that addresses this problem: instead he got the <span class="caps">USA</span> to invade Iraq.</p>

	<p>Is this an integral part of the one per cent doctrine: when there is a one per cent risk of an extreme event you become hyperactive in some displacement activity?</p>
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		<title>By: Sortition</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235343</link>
		<dc:creator>Sortition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>engels,

Before moving to substance, I&#039;ll note that it is curious that the person who accuses others of &quot;trying to win some kind of Junior High debate contest&quot; is the same one who refuses to answer a specific and relevant question and instead deploys schoolyard insults.

Moving on: I had a look at the ippr article you linked to. The article is full of high rhetoric about &quot;historical responsibility&quot;, but its policy proposals fail to live up to the rhetoric. At no point in the article is it said that the West should submit to the same per-capita quota as the less-polluting countries. Through the use of shifty argumentation the authors are suggesting maintaining emissions inequality through some kind of quota trading system in which the West would either buy or be granted the right to pollute more.

Also, laughably, the authors talk about the difficulty for West to be &quot;altruistic&quot; enough to give $80G yearly to China and other countries as compensation for polluting less. If such an amount could be used to make significant dents in the level of emissions, why hasn&#039;t the West applied its resources already to lower its own per-capita emission to below the Chinese level? Also, since it is China that is giving the rest of the world over $200G every year through its trade surplus, it seems unlikely that a portion of a $80G-a-year rebate would make a significant change in China&#039;s economic and ecological considerations.

Unfortunately, the approach presented in the article is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Focusing on how others should change rather than on how the West should change is convenient but is both ineffective and immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>engels,</p>

	<p>Before moving to substance, I&#8217;ll note that it is curious that the person who accuses others of &#8220;trying to win some kind of Junior High debate contest&#8221; is the same one who refuses to answer a specific and relevant question and instead deploys schoolyard insults.</p>

	<p>Moving on: I had a look at the ippr article you linked to. The article is full of high rhetoric about &#8220;historical responsibility&#8221;, but its policy proposals fail to live up to the rhetoric. At no point in the article is it said that the West should submit to the same per-capita quota as the less-polluting countries. Through the use of shifty argumentation the authors are suggesting maintaining emissions inequality through some kind of quota trading system in which the West would either buy or be granted the right to pollute more.</p>

	<p>Also, laughably, the authors talk about the difficulty for West to be &#8220;altruistic&#8221; enough to give $80G yearly to China and other countries as compensation for polluting less. If such an amount could be used to make significant dents in the level of emissions, why hasn&#8217;t the West applied its resources already to lower its own per-capita emission to below the Chinese level? Also, since it is China that is giving the rest of the world over $200G every year through its trade surplus, it seems unlikely that a portion of a $80G-a-year rebate would make a significant change in China&#8217;s economic and ecological considerations.</p>

	<p>Unfortunately, the approach presented in the article is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Focusing on how others should change rather than on how the West should change is convenient but is both ineffective and immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235315</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ippr.org/articles/?id=3022&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting overview of some of the issues, for anyone who is actually interested in thinking about this issue rather than trying to win some kind of Junior High debate contest.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(<a href="http://www.ippr.org/articles/?id=3022" rel="nofollow">This</a> is an interesting overview of some of the issues, for anyone who is actually interested in thinking about this issue rather than trying to win some kind of Junior High debate contest.)</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235313</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sortition - I&#039;ll leave that one as an exercise for you. Don&#039;t start until you&#039;ve put away that bong, though, okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sortition &#8211; I&#8217;ll leave that one as an exercise for you. Don&#8217;t start until you&#8217;ve put away that bong, though, okay?</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piss off, Bellmore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Piss off, Bellmore.</p>
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		<title>By: e julius drivingstorm</title>
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		<dc:creator>e julius drivingstorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We pay them.&quot;

Or we could restrict their oil supply.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.  Not to worry about end-times scenarios, the Chinese would have to be able to raise a 300 million man army in order to show up as the biblical dragon from the east... oh, wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;We pay them.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Or we could restrict their oil supply.</p>

	<p>Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.  Not to worry about end-times scenarios, the Chinese would have to be able to raise a 300 million man army in order to show up as the biblical dragon from the east&#8230; oh, wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Sortition</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235310</link>
		<dc:creator>Sortition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope this is a joke.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think they [the US and Europe] have a responsibility to do this [contribute towards China’s transition costs (and those of LDCs) in moving to more sustainable economies]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I was serious. The West definitely is more responsible for the increase in CO2 concentration, but that does not mean that it has anything of value to give the Chinese as compensation for its past misdeeds, let alone its present misdeed. What do you suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I hope this is a joke.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>I think they [the US and Europe] have a responsibility to do this [contribute towards China&#8217;s transition costs (and those of LDCs) in moving to more sustainable economies]</blockquote></p>

	<p>No, I was serious. The West definitely is more responsible for the increase in <span class="caps">CO2</span> concentration, but that does not mean that it has anything of value to give the Chinese as compensation for its past misdeeds, let alone its present misdeed. What do you suggest?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235309</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real, will you? Any even moderately democratic government which attempted to divert that large a portion of it&#039;s GDP to the benefit of other contries, (We&#039;re talking here of an effort that would make the war in Iraq look cheap.) would fall. The only question would be whether the lynch mobs would wait for an election to resolve the matter.

You&#039;re talking about the political equivalent of a violation of the laws of thermodynamics: Logically possible, but so wildly improbable as to be a practical impossiblity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Get real, will you? Any even moderately democratic government which attempted to divert that large a portion of it&#8217;s <span class="caps">GDP</span> to the benefit of other contries, (We&#8217;re talking here of an effort that would make the war in Iraq look cheap.) would fall. The only question would be whether the lynch mobs would wait for an election to resolve the matter.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re talking about the political equivalent of a violation of the laws of thermodynamics: Logically possible, but so wildly improbable as to be a practical impossiblity.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235306</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;We pay them.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;With what? As it is, they give us (i.e., sell us on credit) much of what we consume. Is there anything we can offer them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope this is a joke. Obviously the US and Europe are in a financial position to contribute towards China&#039;s transition costs (and those of LDCs) in moving to more sustainable economies. I think they have a responsibility to do this because their total historical contribution to atmospheric CO2 far exceeds that of those countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote><i>We pay them.</i></blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>With what? As it is, they give us (i.e., sell us on credit) much of what we consume. Is there anything we can offer them?</blockquote></p>

	<p>I hope this is a joke. Obviously the US and Europe are in a financial position to contribute towards China&#8217;s transition costs (and those of LDCs) in moving to more sustainable economies. I think they have a responsibility to do this because their total historical contribution to atmospheric <span class="caps">CO2</span> far exceeds that of those countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235304</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well no.  Some may like zippy numbers and some might like a relatively placid samba.  You have to consider these things carefully.

Got enough crayons for the invites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well no.  Some may like zippy numbers and some might like a relatively placid samba.  You have to consider these things carefully.</p>

	<p>Got enough crayons for the invites?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235302</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My living room is big enough to hold all the world leaders who&#039;d agree to effective CO2 reduction, is that good enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My living room is big enough to hold all the world leaders who&#8217;d agree to effective <span class="caps">CO2</span> reduction, is that good enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235300</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your back yard large enough for this project?  My guess is you&#039;d need to fit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jgdb.com/band32.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this amount of people.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is your back yard large enough for this project?  My guess is you&#8217;d need to fit <a href="http://www.jgdb.com/band32.jpg" rel="nofollow">this amount of people.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235298</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure it doesn&#039;t; Dust clouds block out the sun perfectly well without UN resolutions to back them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure it doesn&#8217;t; Dust clouds block out the sun perfectly well without UN resolutions to back them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/05/the-one-per-cent-doctrine/comment-page-2/#comment-235287</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the decision to change the nature of the Earth may require politics.  Just me though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe the decision to change the nature of the Earth may require politics.  Just me though.</p>
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