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	<title>Comments on: What to Buy at the Airport: Something that makes a loud ringing noise</title>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry for not getting into detail about the fact that I wanted my phone to still ring. Oh, and the phone IS available in Japan, even if you wouldn&#039;t get it from your phone company.

The bottom line for me is: Is it a context where somebody could speak with the person next to them? If yes, you&#039;ve got no complaint if they&#039;re speaking to somebody not next to them in a reasonable tone of voice. If no, THEN I see some basis for complaining.

Really, if you want silence in public, get earplugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So sorry for not getting into detail about the fact that I wanted my phone to still ring. Oh, and the phone IS available in Japan, even if you wouldn&#8217;t get it from your phone company.</p>

	<p>The bottom line for me is: Is it a context where somebody could speak with the person next to them? If yes, you&#8217;ve got no complaint if they&#8217;re speaking to somebody not next to them in a reasonable tone of voice. If no, <span class="caps">THEN I</span> see some basis for complaining.</p>

	<p>Really, if you want silence in public, get earplugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Watson Aname</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watson Aname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gee, if you can’t trust a salesman…&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds like that salesman got a good read off you, Brett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Gee, if you can&#8217;t trust a salesman&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>Sounds like that salesman got a good read off you, Brett.</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, you incredibly clever white man with a high IQ, you! Here, from the w580i Manual available online:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Shutter sound 
Choose between four different shutter sounds. The shutter sound will be turned off if the phone is set 
to silent. Press and hold [button image] to set the phone to silent.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
None of the three main Japanese cell phone providers (KDDI, Softbank, DoCoMo) carry this model, btw.

Just goes to show you shouldn&#039;t trust everything a bigot tells you about Japan, Brett. But I fear we&#039;ve had this conversation before, haven&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brett, you incredibly clever white man with a high IQ, you! Here, from the w580i Manual available online:</p>

	<p><blockquote><br />
Shutter sound<br />
Choose between four different shutter sounds. The shutter sound will be turned off if the phone is set<br />
to silent. Press and hold [button image] to set the phone to silent.<br />
</blockquote><br />
None of the three main Japanese cell phone providers (KDDI, Softbank, DoCoMo) carry this model, btw.</p>

	<p>Just goes to show you shouldn&#8217;t trust everything a bigot tells you about Japan, Brett. But I fear we&#8217;ve had this conversation before, haven&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (not the famous one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry (not the famous one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Kass--he needs to read his Feuerbach (in particular on why potatoes caused the defeat of the revolutions of &#039;48) and Schopenhauer (who had similar things to say about spaghetti) before he tries to tell us what not to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On Kass&#8212;he needs to read his Feuerbach (in particular on why potatoes caused the defeat of the revolutions of &#8216;48) and Schopenhauer (who had similar things to say about spaghetti) before he tries to tell us what not to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FIrst, what Maria said.

Second, I am issuing a fair warning: First obnoxious asshole sitting next to me on a plane that starts yakking during the flight, dies.

I am not kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>FIrst, what Maria said.</p>

	<p>Second, I am issuing a fair warning: First obnoxious asshole sitting next to me on a plane that starts yakking during the flight, dies.</p>

	<p>I am not kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose the EM pulse generator is out too?

Obviously (I thought) posted in jest.  When the Commons becomes other than civilly social, such as sitting restrictively confined next to someone conversing, even in a moderate tone, with their hand then such things do become more likely.  If airlines feel the need to allow for phone use then put in a phone booth (just don&#039;t take away the last of the bathrooms for the chattel class).  As annoying as the constantly crying baby can be, we are much more accepting of that aspect of the human condition - cell phones don&#039;t have to be.  It&#039;s the same argument as with the neighborhood motorhead that likes to share all 130 db&#039;s of his car stereo while while sitting in his yard.  Does his &quot;right&quot; to listen preclude those within a block or two from not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I suppose the EM pulse generator is out too?</p>

	<p>Obviously (I thought) posted in jest.  When the Commons becomes other than civilly social, such as sitting restrictively confined next to someone conversing, even in a moderate tone, with their hand then such things do become more likely.  If airlines feel the need to allow for phone use then put in a phone booth (just don&#8217;t take away the last of the bathrooms for the chattel class).  As annoying as the constantly crying baby can be, we are much more accepting of that aspect of the human condition &#8211; cell phones don&#8217;t have to be.  It&#8217;s the same argument as with the neighborhood motorhead that likes to share all 130 db&#8217;s of his car stereo while while sitting in his yard.  Does his &#8220;right&#8221; to listen preclude those within a block or two from not?</p>
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		<title>By: cbisquit</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbisquit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markup I don&#039;t know where you&#039;re from but mobile jammers are illegal almost everywhere except in very specific circumstances(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer#Legalities) 
I highly doubt, considering it took this long to determine that low powered, targeted mobile use is safe on aircraft, that using an indiscriminate multifrequency blasting device will be smiled on mid-flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Markup I don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;re from but mobile jammers are illegal almost everywhere except in very specific circumstances(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer#Legalities" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer#Legalities</a>)<br />
I highly doubt, considering it took this long to determine that low powered, targeted mobile use is safe on aircraft, that using an indiscriminate multifrequency blasting device will be smiled on mid-flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next to the &lt;i&gt;TV Zapper,&lt;/i&gt; a cell phone zapper is a real hoot.  There is even one that looks just like a phone and provides hours of fun reminiscent of the the Steve Martin joke where he&#039;s asked, &quot;mind if I smoke?...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Next to the <i><span class="caps">TV </span>Zapper,</i> a cell phone zapper is a real hoot.  There is even one that looks just like a phone and provides hours of fun reminiscent of the the Steve Martin joke where he&#8217;s asked, &#8220;mind if I smoke?&#8230;&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett: good point. That&#039;s why my &lt;em&gt;Nissan&lt;/em&gt; has the steering wheel on the right, since they drive on the letf side of the road in Tokyo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brett: good point. That&#8217;s why my <em>Nissan</em> has the steering wheel on the right, since they drive on the letf side of the road in Tokyo.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on psyche&#039;s point, and echoing what others have said about &#039;quiet planes&#039; and sections: if the behavior of airlines over the last 30 years is any indicator, there will be no separation without a premium for someone to pay to get whatever advantage there is.

Which leads me to the depressing conclusion that we may in the near future see some people paying a premium to sit up front in the talking business section, and some paying a premium to sit in the &#039;quiet&#039; cattle seats.

If airlines could further figure out how to charge the remainder a premium, too--the &#039;don&#039;t follow the crowd&#039; fare?--then they&#039;d have the greed trifecta. Of course, at that point the density of their greed would be so great that not even light could escape its gravity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Following on psyche&#8217;s point, and echoing what others have said about &#8216;quiet planes&#8217; and sections: if the behavior of airlines over the last 30 years is any indicator, there will be no separation without a premium for someone to pay to get whatever advantage there is.</p>

	<p>Which leads me to the depressing conclusion that we may in the near future see some people paying a premium to sit up front in the talking business section, and some paying a premium to sit in the &#8216;quiet&#8217; cattle seats.</p>

	<p>If airlines could further figure out how to charge the remainder a premium, too&#8212;the &#8216;don&#8217;t follow the crowd&#8217; fare?&#8212;then they&#8217;d have the greed trifecta. Of course, at that point the density of their greed would be so great that not even light could escape its gravity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hurka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #21:

Fran Lebowitz once wrote that your teens are the last stage in your life when you&#039;ll be glad to hear that the phone is for you.

Either her remark is completely out of date or people&#039;s teens now extend into their 60s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re #21:</p>

	<p>Fran Lebowitz once wrote that your teens are the last stage in your life when you&#8217;ll be glad to hear that the phone is for you.</p>

	<p>Either her remark is completely out of date or people&#8217;s teens now extend into their 60s.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I kinda suspect &lt;i&gt;Sony&lt;/i&gt; Ericsson might have some Japanese connections. And I&#039;m pretty sure they sell the w580i in Japan, too. (BTW, I&#039;m bummed out that it&#039;s loaded down with DRM; My old w600i was blessedly free of it.)

That explaination I gave for the shutter sound was straight from the Cingular dealer explaining why there was no way to shut off the shutter sound on the w600i, a few years back. Gee, if you can&#039;t trust a salesman...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know, I kinda suspect <i>Sony</i> Ericsson might have some Japanese connections. And I&#8217;m pretty sure they sell the w580i in Japan, too. (BTW, I&#8217;m bummed out that it&#8217;s loaded down with <span class="caps">DRM</span>; My old w600i was blessedly free of it.)</p>

	<p>That explaination I gave for the shutter sound was straight from the Cingular dealer explaining why there was no way to shut off the shutter sound on the w600i, a few years back. Gee, if you can&#8217;t trust a salesman&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Psyche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like the very simple solution to this problem is instituting quiet and loud sections in the plane, just as there used to be smoking and non-smoking sections.

Since this is the very simple solution, I hold out very little hope that it will actually come about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It seems like the very simple solution to this problem is instituting quiet and loud sections in the plane, just as there used to be smoking and non-smoking sections.</p>

	<p>Since this is the very simple solution, I hold out very little hope that it will actually come about.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To bring this thread back to the subject, for a moment, I would question how attractive mobile phone use is for &#039;business people&#039;. 

In my line of work which involves a fair amount of long haul international travel, the few hours you&#039;re on the plan are a magical bubble when you can&#039;t be contacted. It&#039;s a relief because you can  get a few hours of peace before all hell breaks loose on landing. 

As soon as you *can* be contacted while flying, there&#039;s an expectation that you *should* be contactable, and there goes your precious few hours of peace. I know people who already avoid Lufthansa because it has wireless. Any airline that introduces mobile phone service and doesn&#039;t restrict it - to a couple of hours at the beginning and end of a long flight, or to a specific area like near the galley - has already lost my business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To bring this thread back to the subject, for a moment, I would question how attractive mobile phone use is for &#8216;business people&#8217;.</p>

	<p>In my line of work which involves a fair amount of long haul international travel, the few hours you&#8217;re on the plan are a magical bubble when you can&#8217;t be contacted. It&#8217;s a relief because you can  get a few hours of peace before all hell breaks loose on landing.</p>

	<p>As soon as you <strong>can</strong> be contacted while flying, there&#8217;s an expectation that you <strong>should</strong> be contactable, and there goes your precious few hours of peace. I know people who already avoid Lufthansa because it has wireless. Any airline that introduces mobile phone service and doesn&#8217;t restrict it &#8211; to a couple of hours at the beginning and end of a long flight, or to a specific area like near the galley &#8211; has already lost my business.</p>
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		<title>By: tps12</title>
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		<dc:creator>tps12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll sometimes prefer the bus to the subway in NY because you can text during the ride. But I don&#039;t find public phone use as annoying as many people seem to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll sometimes prefer the bus to the subway in NY because you can text during the ride. But I don&#8217;t find public phone use as annoying as many people seem to.</p>
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