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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-4/#comment-236399</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was working on an IT project in South Africa at the end of the 90s. Over there, what we (at least in the UK) call floppy disks (the 3-and-a-half inch variety), they refer to as &quot;stiffys&quot;. The 5-and-a-quarter inch truly floppy disks are &quot;floppys&quot;.

Foschini merchandiser: &quot;David, have you got a stiffy?&quot;

Me: &quot;Well, I think you&#039;re very attractive....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was working on an IT project in South Africa at the end of the 90s. Over there, what we (at least in the UK) call floppy disks (the 3-and-a-half inch variety), they refer to as &#8220;stiffys&#8221;. The 5-and-a-quarter inch truly floppy disks are &#8220;floppys&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Foschini merchandiser: &#8220;David, have you got a stiffy?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Me: &#8220;Well, I think you&#8217;re very attractive&#8230;.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236398</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said above: &quot;I don’t think any British people would get the history of boy intuitively, and here it just seems a bit bizarre, not racist.&quot;

Nuh-huh.  Speaking as a British person who has set foot in the US exactly once in my life, it&#039;s perfectly obvious that this was racist.  In fact, it is so obviously known, mostly through popular culture (ie the TV), that I&#039;d dare anyone to go to Brixton and call a black man there &quot;boy&quot; and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Someone said above: &#8220;I don&#8217;t think any British people would get the history of boy intuitively, and here it just seems a bit bizarre, not racist.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Nuh-huh.  Speaking as a British person who has set foot in the US exactly once in my life, it&#8217;s perfectly obvious that this was racist.  In fact, it is so obviously known, mostly through popular culture (ie the TV), that I&#8217;d dare anyone to go to Brixton and call a black man there &#8220;boy&#8221; and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236390</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>145: very good.

Apparently a real speech from the Australian Federal Parliament, by a member of parliament for a rural area:

-- &quot;I am a country member. I was elected as a country member, and I will always be a country member.&quot;

-- &quot;Yeah, mate, we remember.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>145: very good.</p>

	<p>Apparently a real speech from the Australian Federal Parliament, by a member of parliament for a rural area:<br />
&#8212;&#8220;I am a country member. I was elected as a country member, and I will always be a country member.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8220;Yeah, mate, we remember.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a non-English perspective I&#039;d say that the intention behind using the word boy looks pretty obvious. For equally obvious reasons, the Scandinavian languages have no perfect parallels, although you should not call someone with a Turkish or Asian background &lt;em&gt;perker&lt;/em&gt; (Danish) or &lt;em&gt;blatte&lt;/em&gt; (Swedish).

I can think of one case where a group deliberately have chosen a diminutive description of themselves: The members of the now-defunct Kvindeligt Arbejderforbund (the Trade Union for Unskilled Women - the only all-female union in the world afaik) called themselves &lt;em&gt;pigerne&lt;/em&gt; (could be translated as &quot;the maids&quot; or &quot;the girls&quot;), not &lt;em&gt;kvinderne&lt;/em&gt; and definitively not &lt;em&gt;damerne&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>From a non-English perspective I&#8217;d say that the intention behind using the word boy looks pretty obvious. For equally obvious reasons, the Scandinavian languages have no perfect parallels, although you should not call someone with a Turkish or Asian background <em>perker</em> (Danish) or <em>blatte</em> (Swedish).</p>

	<p>I can think of one case where a group deliberately have chosen a diminutive description of themselves: The members of the now-defunct Kvindeligt Arbejderforbund (the Trade Union for Unskilled Women &#8211; the only all-female union in the world afaik) called themselves <em>pigerne</em> (could be translated as &#8220;the maids&#8221; or &#8220;the girls&#8221;), not <em>kvinderne</em> and definitively not <em>damerne</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: MR. Bill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236375</link>
		<dc:creator>MR. Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olive branch? not laurel or myrtle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Olive branch? not laurel or myrtle?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236368</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“He’s a real guy,” Geoff Davis assured his young audience at St. Agnes School in Fort Wright. “Whether you agree with him or disagree with him, he’s genuine. He’s real.”&lt;/em&gt;

Now there&#039;s some seriously bad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>&#8220;He&#8217;s a real guy,&#8221; Geoff Davis assured his young audience at St. Agnes School in Fort Wright. &#8220;Whether you agree with him or disagree with him, he&#8217;s genuine. He&#8217;s real.&#8221;</em></p>

	<p>Now there&#8217;s some seriously bad news.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah thanks.

Here at the neglected end of the thread I can tell my international slang miscommunication -- I was in Australia for the World Cup and I told people that since the US wasn&#039;t in it of course I&#039;d root for Australia, to which their response was &quot;Not with me you don&#039;t.&quot;

(Well not really, they &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English_terms_for_people#Sport&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;laughingly explained what I&#039;d done wrong&lt;/a&gt;, but my version is funnier.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ah thanks.</p>

	<p>Here at the neglected end of the thread I can tell my international slang miscommunication&#8212;I was in Australia for the World Cup and I told people that since the US wasn&#8217;t in it of course I&#8217;d root for Australia, to which their response was &#8220;Not with me you don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>

	<p>(Well not really, they <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English_terms_for_people#Sport" rel="nofollow">laughingly explained what I&#8217;d done wrong</a>, but my version is funnier.)</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, of course, &quot;Fenian&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or, of course, &#8220;Fenian&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>75: &lt;i&gt;Much like it would to everybody everywhere else if a large politician called Timothy was referred to slyly as a big Tim :)
I give up—what does this mean to everyone everywhere else?&lt;/i&gt;

In Glaswegian slang a Tim is a moderately insulting term for Catholic. I don&#039;t know the derivation. A Billy is a Protestant (presumably from the Protestant King Billy, aka William III, formerly William of Orange) but that&#039;s not so widely used. The equivalent in Norn Iron is &quot;Taig&quot;  (rhymes with Hague) and &quot;Prod&quot; respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>75: <i>Much like it would to everybody everywhere else if a large politician called Timothy was referred to slyly as a big Tim :)<br />
I give up&#8212;what does this mean to everyone everywhere else?</i></p>

	<p>In Glaswegian slang a Tim is a moderately insulting term for Catholic. I don&#8217;t know the derivation. A Billy is a Protestant (presumably from the Protestant King Billy, aka William <span class="caps">III</span>, formerly William of Orange) but that&#8217;s not so widely used. The equivalent in Norn Iron is &#8220;Taig&#8221;  (rhymes with Hague) and &#8220;Prod&#8221; respectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236336</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By the way, hypersensitivity to racial issues isn’t appreciated by most black people I know. &lt;/i&gt;

If you imagine distaste for being called &quot;boy&quot; is &quot;hypersensitivity to racial issues,&quot; you&#039;re either bullshitting and don&#039;t know any black people, or you&#039;re one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;. Hate to break it to you, buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>By the way, hypersensitivity to racial issues isn&#8217;t appreciated by most black people I know. </i></p>

	<p>If you imagine distaste for being called &#8220;boy&#8221; is &#8220;hypersensitivity to racial issues,&#8221; you&#8217;re either bullshitting and don&#8217;t know any black people, or you&#8217;re one of <a href="http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/" rel="nofollow">these</a>. Hate to break it to you, buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We tend not to go on and on... &lt;/i&gt;

In deference to any offense to any and all other Leporidae, on and on and on and........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>We tend not to go on and on&#8230; </i></p>

	<p>In deference to any offense to any and all other Leporidae, on and on and on and&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>West Virginia is a mountain state, not a southern state. It is also almost heavan. Ignorant bastards all around, must make the almost.

As a southerner after a fashion, Toby Keith sucks. It&#039;s not prejudice, it&#039;s taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>West Virginia is a mountain state, not a southern state. It is also almost heavan. Ignorant bastards all around, must make the almost.</p>

	<p>As a southerner after a fashion, Toby Keith sucks. It&#8217;s not prejudice, it&#8217;s taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Hogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Aggressive condescension is one of the non-lethal ways that Southern racism has historically operated.

Of course that works for Northern racism, &lt;/i&gt;

Nah, draft and race riots are more our style. We tend not to go on and on about how we understand our nigras better than anyone else and used to love our mammies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Aggressive condescension is one of the non-lethal ways that Southern racism has historically operated.</i></p>

	<p>Of course that works for Northern racism, </p>

	<p>Nah, draft and race riots are more our style. We tend not to go on and on about how we understand our nigras better than anyone else and used to love our mammies.</p>
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		<title>By: nick l</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, belle, if you were hoping for a swift and straightforward compare &amp; contrast re. commenters here and there........wow.  what a shambles.  emerson fights fiercely, but appears outnumbered and beset.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>so, belle, if you were hoping for a swift and straightforward compare &#038; contrast re. commenters here and there&#8230;&#8230;..wow.  what a shambles.  emerson fights fiercely, but appears outnumbered and beset&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/15/look-and-be-amazed/comment-page-3/#comment-236329</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i’m not sure why a state has to have been in the confederacy to be considered part of “the south.”

I spent a year in Bloomington Indiana. Story had it the Ku Klux Klan had been founded in Martinsville, 10 miles to the north.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;i&#8217;m not sure why a state has to have been in the confederacy to be considered part of &#8220;the south.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I spent a year in Bloomington Indiana. Story had it the Ku Klux Klan had been founded in Martinsville, 10 miles to the north.</p>
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