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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-237218</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/22/academic-freedom-some-propositions/#comment-237174&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Henry Farrell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I’ve suggested that academic freedom is a good thing on pragmatic grounds, but also made clear that it fundamentally depends on public willingness to delegate some degree of self-governance to the academy. If the public decides that academic freedom isn’t working out in terms of the goods it provides, then too bad for academic freedom.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;If the public decides that democracy isn’t working out in terms of the goods it provides, then too bad for democracy.

No understanding of academic freedom, of the need for tenure, or even of democracy.
Amazing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/22/academic-freedom-some-propositions/#comment-237174" rel="nofollow">Henry Farrell</a><blockquote>&#8220;I&#8217;ve suggested that academic freedom is a good thing on pragmatic grounds, but also made clear that it fundamentally depends on public willingness to delegate some degree of self-governance to the academy. If the public decides that academic freedom isn&#8217;t working out in terms of the goods it provides, then too bad for academic freedom.&#8221;</blockquote>If the public decides that democracy isn&#8217;t working out in terms of the goods it provides, then too bad for democracy.</p>

	<p>No understanding of academic freedom, of the need for tenure, or even of democracy.<br />
Amazing</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-237085</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But that’s just natural, if not tautological.&quot;
It&#039;s only natural if everyone assumes it to be true, but academic indifference is based on assumptions of academic exceptionalism. And self-awareness itself is considered tautological!

Meanwhile on the next thread the good liberal  Professor Henry Farrell Ph.D is trying once again to codify the necessary and necessarily informal  obligations of democracy as rules. I&#039;d post there but I&#039;m banned.   And by the way my first comment on this one is still in moderation limbo.  I wish it were better written but it stated the obvious. Let&#039;s see if it makes it past the guard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s just natural, if not tautological.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s only natural if everyone assumes it to be true, but academic indifference is based on assumptions of academic exceptionalism. And self-awareness itself is considered tautological!</p>

	<p>Meanwhile on the next thread the good liberal  Professor Henry Farrell Ph.D is trying once again to codify the necessary and necessarily informal  obligations of democracy as rules. I&#8217;d post there but I&#8217;m banned.   And by the way my first comment on this one is still in moderation limbo.  I wish it were better written but it stated the obvious. Let&#8217;s see if it makes it past the guard.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-237039</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but not of academic indifference&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, but that&#039;s a different topic. I suppose one could say that they are affected too much by power institutions and individuals and not enough by the powerless. But that&#039;s just natural, if not tautological.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>but not of academic indifference</i></p>

	<p>I agree, but that&#8217;s a different topic. I suppose one could say that they are affected too much by power institutions and individuals and not enough by the powerless. But that&#8217;s just natural, if not tautological.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesdak</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesdak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is worth noting that, while academics need not necessarily consider outside opinion with regard to tenure, granting tenure to someone who has published or expressed controverisal opinions or ideas will send a message to the public, sometimes directly. From then on, if that person should ever appear anywhere to defend his ideas, he will be introduced as a professor at that university, thus conveying, as far as the public is concerned, an implied endorsement of his ideas by the university. Such assumptions by the public,valid or not, will have an effect on the university&#039;s reputation, and possibly it&#039;s efforts to recruit future students and faculty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think it is worth noting that, while academics need not necessarily consider outside opinion with regard to tenure, granting tenure to someone who has published or expressed controverisal opinions or ideas will send a message to the public, sometimes directly. From then on, if that person should ever appear anywhere to defend his ideas, he will be introduced as a professor at that university, thus conveying, as far as the public is concerned, an implied endorsement of his ideas by the university. Such assumptions by the public,valid or not, will have an effect on the university&#8217;s reputation, and possibly it&#8217;s efforts to recruit future students and faculty.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-237001</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a defender of academic independence abb, but not of academic indifference.  Society is more than rules and laws but rules and laws are all that&#039;s being discussed. 

And as far as the arts go and Karen Finley a second rate cabaret pornographer bursting into tears when she didn&#039;t get a government grant: try to imagine Hugo Ball getting miffed when the Swiss Government refused to pay his bills. And remember be had a cabaret act too.  There&#039;s a difference between politics and the politics of pretension. 
The culture of the soi-disant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a defender of academic independence abb, but not of academic indifference.  Society is more than rules and laws but rules and laws are all that&#8217;s being discussed.</p>

	<p>And as far as the arts go and Karen Finley a second rate cabaret pornographer bursting into tears when she didn&#8217;t get a government grant: try to imagine Hugo Ball getting miffed when the Swiss Government refused to pay his bills. And remember be had a cabaret act too.  There&#8217;s a difference between politics and the politics of pretension.<br />
The culture of the soi-disant.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236990</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first of all, Seth, I believe you that it&#039;s all fucked up in academia, but it&#039;s not obvious to me that it&#039;s the result of too much &quot;academic freedom&quot; (aka independence); it can be the result of too little of it.

And second, being able to ignore outside pressure in the tenure process doesn&#039;t necessarily create a bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, first of all, Seth, I believe you that it&#8217;s all fucked up in academia, but it&#8217;s not obvious to me that it&#8217;s the result of too much &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; (aka independence); it can be the result of too little of it.</p>

	<p>And second, being able to ignore outside pressure in the tenure process doesn&#8217;t necessarily create a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236982</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; &#039;Academic freedom” in this context is a simply phase describing the concept of academic world’s independence from the outside world, that’s all. And Dan Simon in 23 is pretending that it means something else.&quot;

It can mean many things. To friends of mine it meant channeling their education and dissertation subjects towards aspect of their fields that were likely to get them the tenured positions they now have. They worked very hard to conform, and now spend a large part of their careers playing one school against another, Stanford against MIT against the University of Chicago, to further their own advancement.  As one of them says matter-of-factly: &quot;research support and partnership it&#039;s all is pretty much quid pro quo.&quot;  They had no &quot;freedom&quot; in their choices. Careerism is not the definition of free thought.

As I&#039;ve said more than once, including in the comment that didn&#039;t make the grade on this post, it takes more than rules to make a system work, it takes a minimal level of trust. The defense of independent autonomous specialized bubble cultures in the arts and humanities (a legacy of post war rationalism and sputnik) is not healthy.  The art world bubble, the academic bubble, the journalistic bubble, the military bubble, the born again bubble, the American political cultural bubble, none of them are healthy, politically or intellectually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8221; &#8216;Academic freedom&#8221; in this context is a simply phase describing the concept of academic world&#8217;s independence from the outside world, that&#8217;s all. And Dan Simon in 23 is pretending that it means something else.&#8221;</p>

	<p>It can mean many things. To friends of mine it meant channeling their education and dissertation subjects towards aspect of their fields that were likely to get them the tenured positions they now have. They worked very hard to conform, and now spend a large part of their careers playing one school against another, Stanford against <span class="caps">MIT</span> against the University of Chicago, to further their own advancement.  As one of them says matter-of-factly: &#8220;research support and partnership it&#8217;s all is pretty much quid pro quo.&#8221;  They had no &#8220;freedom&#8221; in their choices. Careerism is not the definition of free thought.</p>

	<p>As I&#8217;ve said more than once, including in the comment that didn&#8217;t make the grade on this post, it takes more than rules to make a system work, it takes a minimal level of trust. The defense of independent autonomous specialized bubble cultures in the arts and humanities (a legacy of post war rationalism and sputnik) is not healthy.  The art world bubble, the academic bubble, the journalistic bubble, the military bubble, the born again bubble, the American political cultural bubble, none of them are healthy, politically or intellectually.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236975</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the absolute freedom of the “community of competent scholars” to impose completely arbitrary standards on its members&lt;/i&gt;

Um, Dan, the word &#039;arbitrary&#039; doesn&#039;t mean what you think it means. Standards imposed by a community (or even &quot;community&quot;) can not be arbitrary (let alone &quot;completely arbitrary&quot;) by definition. For better or worse they are the standards of that community, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>the absolute freedom of the &#8220;community of competent scholars&#8221; to impose completely arbitrary standards on its members</i></p>

	<p>Um, Dan, the word &#8216;arbitrary&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean what you think it means. Standards imposed by a community (or even &#8220;community&#8221;) can not be arbitrary (let alone &#8220;completely arbitrary&#8221;) by definition. For better or worse they are the standards of that community, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236973</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A good analysis of what&lt;/i&gt;

Of the fact that academic freedom and the tenure system exist specifically to support a particualr mode of scholarly inquiry, and are not simply instances of more general rights to free speech and job security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A good analysis of what</i></p>

	<p>Of the fact that academic freedom and the tenure system exist specifically to support a particualr mode of scholarly inquiry, and are not simply instances of more general rights to free speech and job security.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236959</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m banned from commenting on Henry&#039;s postings, I&#039;ll just say here that my above comments make essentially the same point as he does, although I think it&#039;s still useful to distinguish the concept of &quot;peer review&quot; that we&#039;re describing from the concept of &quot;academic freedom&quot; that he uses to label it.

I&#039;d also add that the conflation of these concepts in the case of Nadia Abu El-Haj is particularly telling.  Abu El-Haj is hardly a lonely voice in the wilderness, adamantly defending highly idiosyncratic ideas.  On the contrary, her work has been widely praised by her peers, and stands squarely in the mainstream of her field.  The criticism directed at it, claiming that it&#039;s nothing more than political polemic masquerading as scholarship, is therefore implicitly directed at the field as a whole.

Now, had this work been politically unpopular but intellectually unassailable--say, a brilliant biological study that happened to provide powerful evidence for evolution--the field&#039;s scholars would no doubt have defended her on the grounds Henry outlined: that peer review is the best available arbiter of the long-term value of scholarship in technically difficult, highly rigorous research disciplines.  That those scholars instead fell back on Eric&#039;s defense--the absolute freedom of the &quot;community of competent scholars&quot; to impose completely arbitrary standards on its members, outside critics be damned--speaks volumes about the field&#039;s confidence in the defensibility of its value to those not drawing a salary from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since I&#8217;m banned from commenting on Henry&#8217;s postings, I&#8217;ll just say here that my above comments make essentially the same point as he does, although I think it&#8217;s still useful to distinguish the concept of &#8220;peer review&#8221; that we&#8217;re describing from the concept of &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; that he uses to label it.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d also add that the conflation of these concepts in the case of Nadia Abu El-Haj is particularly telling.  Abu El-Haj is hardly a lonely voice in the wilderness, adamantly defending highly idiosyncratic ideas.  On the contrary, her work has been widely praised by her peers, and stands squarely in the mainstream of her field.  The criticism directed at it, claiming that it&#8217;s nothing more than political polemic masquerading as scholarship, is therefore implicitly directed at the field as a whole.</p>

	<p>Now, had this work been politically unpopular but intellectually unassailable&#8212;say, a brilliant biological study that happened to provide powerful evidence for evolution&#8212;the field&#8217;s scholars would no doubt have defended her on the grounds Henry outlined: that peer review is the best available arbiter of the long-term value of scholarship in technically difficult, highly rigorous research disciplines.  That those scholars instead fell back on Eric&#8217;s defense&#8212;the absolute freedom of the &#8220;community of competent scholars&#8221; to impose completely arbitrary standards on its members, outside critics be damned&#8212;speaks volumes about the field&#8217;s confidence in the defensibility of its value to those not drawing a salary from it.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236950</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is a good analysis.&lt;/i&gt;

A good analysis of what - whether a bunch of political hacks should be involved into the tenure process? How&#039;s that? 

&quot;Academic freedom&quot; in this context is a simply phase describing the concept of academic world&#039;s independence from the outside world, that&#039;s all. And Dan Simon in 23 is pretending that it means something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This is a good analysis.</i></p>

	<p>A good analysis of what &#8211; whether a bunch of political hacks should be involved into the tenure process? How&#8217;s that?</p>

	<p>&#8220;Academic freedom&#8221; in this context is a simply phase describing the concept of academic world&#8217;s independence from the outside world, that&#8217;s all. And Dan Simon in 23 is pretending that it means something else.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236944</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are two concepts involved here: that of academic freedom, and that of peer review. They are in constant tension, because academic freedom requires that a scholar be able to buck even the consensus of the scholarly community, and peer review requires that an idea’s rejection by the scholarly community suffices to discredit it. Managing this tension is not easy, but people of good faith can do a reasonable job of it.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a good analysis.

Even more than usually, this seems liuke a question calling for *judgement* in weighing competing values, as opposed to one that can be resolved within a single coherent set of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>There are two concepts involved here: that of academic freedom, and that of peer review. They are in constant tension, because academic freedom requires that a scholar be able to buck even the consensus of the scholarly community, and peer review requires that an idea&#8217;s rejection by the scholarly community suffices to discredit it. Managing this tension is not easy, but people of good faith can do a reasonable job of it.</i></p>

	<p>This is a good analysis.</p>

	<p>Even more than usually, this seems liuke a question calling for <strong>judgement</strong> in weighing competing values, as opposed to one that can be resolved within a single coherent set of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: CJColucci</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJColucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bloix (#13) may be right.  That&#039;s a possible reading of what Bollinger is up to, and bloix makes a good case that it&#039;s what Bollinger should be up to, but Bollinger is often woolye.  If he&#039;s doing what bloix suggests, deliberate obscurity may be called for, but because Bollinger can&#039;t always help being obscure, it&#039;s hard to be confident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bloix (#13) may be right.  That&#8217;s a possible reading of what Bollinger is up to, and bloix makes a good case that it&#8217;s what Bollinger should be up to, but Bollinger is often woolye.  If he&#8217;s doing what bloix suggests, deliberate obscurity may be called for, but because Bollinger can&#8217;t always help being obscure, it&#8217;s hard to be confident.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/can-anyone-play-this-game/comment-page-1/#comment-236923</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s just sh*tting in the punchbowl.</description>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23 The &#039;community of competent scholars&#039; may or may not provide reasonable opinions, but how do political hacks help here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@23 The &#8216;community of competent scholars&#8217; may or may not provide reasonable opinions, but how do political hacks help here?</p>
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