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		<title>By: Tsmoss</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/guess-who-comes-last/comment-page-1/#comment-237053</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsmoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23:  I&#039;m not srue that lower turnout actually has a meaningful negative effect.  I mean, its embarassing, but ... Italy consistently gets abouve 80% turnout, and half the incoming cabinet is going to be neofascists or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@23:  I&#8217;m not srue that lower turnout actually has a meaningful negative effect.  I mean, its embarassing, but &#8230; Italy consistently gets abouve 80% turnout, and half the incoming cabinet is going to be neofascists or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/04/21/guess-who-comes-last/comment-page-1/#comment-236948</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25: ah, yes, the first time in modern history that a political party used a quote from &quot;Pinky and the Brain&quot; as a campaign slogan. (Are You Thinking What We&#039;re Thinking?)

In a way, it led to Barack Obama&#039;s adoption of the Bob the Builder slogan &quot;Yes We Can&quot;. I await Hillary Clinton drawing on &#039;Blue Peter&#039; to back up her claims of experience, by adopting the slogan &quot;You Might Want To Get An Adult To Help You With This Next Part, Because It Could Be Rather Sticky&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>25: ah, yes, the first time in modern history that a political party used a quote from &#8220;Pinky and the Brain&#8221; as a campaign slogan. (Are You Thinking What We&#8217;re Thinking?)</p>

	<p>In a way, it led to Barack Obama&#8217;s adoption of the Bob the Builder slogan &#8220;Yes We Can&#8221;. I await Hillary Clinton drawing on &#8216;Blue Peter&#8217; to back up her claims of experience, by adopting the slogan &#8220;You Might Want To Get An Adult To Help You With This Next Part, Because It Could Be Rather Sticky&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party’s standing amongst the ‘great British public’.&lt;/i&gt;

Tory campaign 2005?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party&#8217;s standing amongst the &#8216;great British public&#8217;.</i></p>

	<p>Tory campaign 2005?</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party’s standing amongst the ‘great British public’.&lt;/i&gt;

Er... didn&#039;t do much for Enoch Powell&#039;s career, IIRC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party&#8217;s standing amongst the &#8216;great British public&#8217;.</i></p>

	<p>Er&#8230; didn&#8217;t do much for Enoch Powell&#8217;s career, <span class="caps">IIRC</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we really need to worry about in Britain is not the numbers of citizens voting for the BNP or UKIP, but the numbers who are not now voting at all.

In the 2005 general election, the turnout was the second lowest since 1918 - the turnout at the 2001 election having been the lowest since 1918.

In the 2005 election, more didn&#039;t vote than the number who voted for New Labour candidates. Blair could hardly claim an overwhelming mandate despite the historic achievement of a Labour government being re-elected for a third term. In fact, between the 1997 and 2005 elections, Blair lost 4 million votes and half the membership of the Labour Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What we really need to worry about in Britain is not the numbers of citizens voting for the <span class="caps">BNP</span> or <span class="caps">UKIP</span>, but the numbers who are not now voting at all.</p>

	<p>In the 2005 general election, the turnout was the second lowest since 1918 &#8211; the turnout at the 2001 election having been the lowest since 1918.</p>

	<p>In the 2005 election, more didn&#8217;t vote than the number who voted for New Labour candidates. Blair could hardly claim an overwhelming mandate despite the historic achievement of a Labour government being re-elected for a third term. In fact, between the 1997 and 2005 elections, Blair lost 4 million votes and half the membership of the Labour Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@19: stupid and racist, but not necessarily inclined to vote for a bunch of football-hooligans or feuding saloon-bar poujadistes. Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party&#039;s standing amongst the &#039;great British public&#039;. If it had, presumably Gordon Brown would not have uttered the immortal line &#039;British jobs for British people&#039; not so very long ago.

As for stupid, making a general observation, very many people are not clever; some of them are quite stupid, some stupid people are very stupid: but they all get a vote. Or is stupidity to be rendered now as merely &#039;differently intelligent&#039;? Note that I make no distinctions of class, nor do I associate intelligence with any particular set of exams or tests, or other specific attainments that might conceal sampling biases. Nevertheless, if very many people were not, in a surprisingly large variety of ways, really quite stupid, public life would not be quite the steaming pile of foetid excrement that it is today. It could be worse, no doubt, but it could be so much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@19: stupid and racist, but not necessarily inclined to vote for a bunch of football-hooligans or feuding saloon-bar poujadistes. Nonetheless, playing a racist card, subtly if possible, occasionally not, has never noticeably hurt any political party&#8217;s standing amongst the &#8216;great British public&#8217;. If it had, presumably Gordon Brown would not have uttered the immortal line &#8216;British jobs for British people&#8217; not so very long ago.</p>

	<p>As for stupid, making a general observation, very many people are not clever; some of them are quite stupid, some stupid people are very stupid: but they all get a vote. Or is stupidity to be rendered now as merely &#8216;differently intelligent&#8217;? Note that I make no distinctions of class, nor do I associate intelligence with any particular set of exams or tests, or other specific attainments that might conceal sampling biases. Nevertheless, if very many people were not, in a surprisingly large variety of ways, really quite stupid, public life would not be quite the steaming pile of foetid excrement that it is today. It could be worse, no doubt, but it could be so much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If much of the electorate is so stupid and racist, then why do the BNP (and UKIP) do so poorly in the UK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If much of the electorate is so stupid and racist, then why do the <span class="caps">BNP </span>(and <span class="caps">UKIP</span>) do so poorly in the UK?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11: since much of the electorate in every &#039;western&#039; society is both stupid and racist, in what sense is this poster not good politics, for the LN, pragmatically?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@11: since much of the electorate in every &#8216;western&#8217; society is both stupid and racist, in what sense is this poster not good politics, for the LN, pragmatically?</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Guess who is last in line for housing, employment and health care?&quot;

Note also the populist left wing message. Government is giving out stuff! It just isn&#039;t giving out stuff to you! But it should! Very much the heirs of Mussolini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Guess who is last in line for housing, employment and health care?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Note also the populist left wing message. Government is giving out stuff! It just isn&#8217;t giving out stuff to you! But it should! Very much the heirs of Mussolini.</p>
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		<title>By: jay bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The South starts at Mestre (per Aurelio Zen -Michael Dibdin RIP alas alas)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The South starts at Mestre (per Aurelio Zen -Michael Dibdin <span class="caps">RIP</span> alas alas)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An illuminating assessment in Spiegel (a German periodical) of the outcome of the Italian general election: 

&quot; . . Il Cavaliere -- as Berlusconi is known -- has never managed to shake off the stigma among his European counterparts of being a leader who is not to be taken seriously. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was the only one who really bothered with Berlusconi: Blair visited Berlusconi in Sardinia and the two leaders were united in supporting the Iraq war.&quot;
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,548749,00.html

But then Tony Blair, like Mussolini, was committed to the third way.

Martin Clark is an academic historian. In his book on: Modern Italy 1871-1995 (Longman 2nd ed, 1996), p.250, where he writes about the policies of Mussolini&#039;s fascist government: &quot;They seemed to offer &#039;a third way&#039;, between capitalism and Bolshevism, which looked attractive in the Depression. ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An illuminating assessment in Spiegel (a German periodical) of the outcome of the Italian general election:</p>

	<p>&#8221; . . Il Cavaliere&#8212;as Berlusconi is known&#8212;has never managed to shake off the stigma among his European counterparts of being a leader who is not to be taken seriously. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was the only one who really bothered with Berlusconi: Blair visited Berlusconi in Sardinia and the two leaders were united in supporting the Iraq war.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,548749,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,548749,00.html</a></p>

	<p>But then Tony Blair, like Mussolini, was committed to the third way.</p>

	<p>Martin Clark is an academic historian. In his book on: Modern Italy 1871-1995 (Longman 2nd ed, 1996), p.250, where he writes about the policies of Mussolini&#8217;s fascist government: &#8220;They seemed to offer &#8216;a third way&#8217;, between capitalism and Bolshevism, which looked attractive in the Depression. &#8230;&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
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		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Alessandra Mussolini&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s astonishing that a granddaughter of Mussolini, openly endorsing her grandfather&#039;s policies, could be a major Italian politician in this day and age.  She rather looks like him, too, in a strange way . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Alessandra Mussolini</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s astonishing that a granddaughter of Mussolini, openly endorsing her grandfather&#8217;s policies, could be a major Italian politician in this day and age.  She rather looks like him, too, in a strange way . . .</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s not the only scary/baffling poster lega nord has:
http://www.nixonthehand.com/?p=532</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>that&#8217;s not the only scary/baffling poster lega nord has:<br />
<a href="http://www.nixonthehand.com/?p=532" rel="nofollow">http://www.nixonthehand.com/?p=532</a></p>
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		<title>By: will u.</title>
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		<dc:creator>will u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, the entire Italian political system is so farcical and sclerotic I can&#039;t muster any outrage over anything.  For instance, you have Alessandra Mussolini&#039;s exchange with the transgender Rifondazione MP Vladimir Luxuria:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yLlloyioRAs&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In fact, the entire Italian political system is so farcical and sclerotic I can&#8217;t muster any outrage over anything.  For instance, you have Alessandra Mussolini&#8217;s exchange with the transgender Rifondazione <span class="caps">MP </span>Vladimir Luxuria:</p>

	<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=yLlloyioRAs&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=yLlloyioRAs&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: jlw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Italian engineer at Akosombo Dam in Ghana once assured me that Africa began just north of Rome. One assumes he is now a Northern League voter--if someone hasn&#039;t stuck a shiv in him yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An Italian engineer at Akosombo Dam in Ghana once assured me that Africa began just north of Rome. One assumes he is now a Northern League voter&#8212;if someone hasn&#8217;t stuck a shiv in him yet.</p>
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