Comments on: Prediction Markets in Republican Spin, continued and branched out from http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240559 abb1 Mon, 19 May 2008 17:33:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240559 Bystanders shooting other bystanders by mistake and the police shooting them by mistake are not crimes. That's merely collateral damage. Bystanders shooting other bystanders by mistake and the police shooting them by mistake are not crimes. That’s merely collateral damage.

]]> By: Dave http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240554 Dave Mon, 19 May 2008 15:10:34 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240554 Why "more guns less crime"? Why not "armed criminal, assuming victim is armed, shoots guy in head, takes wallet from corpse; bystanders spray bullets around, miss the criminal, kill other bystanders, are mistaken by the police for criminals, and are shot dead; the criminal escapes in the confusion"? Seems at least as likely to me. Why “more guns less crime”? Why not “armed criminal, assuming victim is armed, shoots guy in head, takes wallet from corpse; bystanders spray bullets around, miss the criminal, kill other bystanders, are mistaken by the police for criminals, and are shot dead; the criminal escapes in the confusion”?

Seems at least as likely to me.

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240479 abb1 Sun, 18 May 2008 09:21:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240479 I agree that abortion on demand is no good. Sorry, liberals, that's just too much, reservation should be required, at least 2 days in advance. I agree that abortion on demand is no good. Sorry, liberals, that’s just too much, reservation should be required, at least 2 days in advance.

]]> By: AYY http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240475 AYY Sun, 18 May 2008 07:45:41 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240475 "Why is this hard to understand? Liberals talk about why their policies are good because there are good arguments for (almost all of) their policies." Okay, then let's see what liberals support. Immediate pull out from Iraq. Nope, that won't work. Higher taxes. That won't work either. Affirmative action. That doesn't work. Abortion on demand. That's no good. International Criminal Court. That's no good. Kyoto. That's no good either. National health care. Like England? Gun confiscation. As the proverb says "More guns less crime." "Republicans talk about how their policies are Conservative™ because “what’s good for rich people is good for the country” isn’t really that good of an argument." But that's not the argument, unless you define "rich" as anyone in the middle class. “Why is this hard to understand? Liberals talk about why their policies are good because there are good arguments for (almost all of) their policies.”

Okay, then let’s see what liberals support. Immediate pull out from Iraq. Nope, that won’t work. Higher taxes. That won’t work either. Affirmative action. That doesn’t work. Abortion on demand. That’s no good. International Criminal Court. That’s no good. Kyoto. That’s no good either. National health care. Like England? Gun confiscation. As the proverb says “More guns less crime.”

“Republicans talk about how their policies are Conservative™ because “what’s good for rich people is good for the country” isn’t really that good of an argument.”

But that’s not the argument, unless you define “rich” as anyone in the middle class.

]]> By: Righteous Bubba http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240397 Righteous Bubba Sat, 17 May 2008 02:07:06 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240397 It reads like a critique from the funny. National Lampoon spared nobody but you'd be hard-pressed to find the writers waving the flag for Nixon. It reads like a critique from the funny. National Lampoon spared nobody but you’d be hard-pressed to find the writers waving the flag for Nixon.

]]> By: Matt Weiner http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240395 Matt Weiner Sat, 17 May 2008 01:36:03 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240395 That reads to me like a critique from the left: Guest is making fun of liberals for condescending to those they claim to help. "Middle-class" isn't part of the right-wing critique of liberals; if anything, they'd call them "limousine liberals" (which was coined before 1975, anyway). That reads to me like a critique from the left: Guest is making fun of liberals for condescending to those they claim to help. “Middle-class” isn’t part of the right-wing critique of liberals; if anything, they’d call them “limousine liberals” (which was coined before 1975, anyway).

]]> By: Dan Simon http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240394 Dan Simon Sat, 17 May 2008 00:33:45 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240394 <em>I guess the difference is when “liberal” became a slur from the right</em> How about <a href="http://www.ogre.nu/wp/?p=1145" rel="nofollow">this</a>, from Christopher Guest in 1975? The fact that it's a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Well-Intentioned-Blues-Explicit/dp/B000QMOC4W" rel="nofollow">dead-on parody of Pete Seeger</a> suggests strongly that it's not a critique from the left... I guess the difference is when “liberal” became a slur from the right

How about this, from Christopher Guest in 1975? The fact that it’s a dead-on parody of Pete Seeger suggests strongly that it’s not a critique from the left…

]]> By: Matt Weiner http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240388 Matt Weiner Fri, 16 May 2008 21:48:23 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240388 jon -- I guess the difference is when "liberal" became a slur from the <i>right</i> -- it wouldn't make sense for Ochs to say "a radical, a liberal, fanatical" the way <a href="http://examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2007/06/roger-hodgson-h.html" rel="nofollow">history's greatest monster</a> did. Hodgson doesn't subscribe to that critique, but that makes it even more potent -- he takes it as generally accepted that <i>other people</i> view "liberal" as a curse word for fanatics. jon—I guess the difference is when “liberal” became a slur from the right—it wouldn’t make sense for Ochs to say “a radical, a liberal, fanatical” the way history’s greatest monster did. Hodgson doesn’t subscribe to that critique, but that makes it even more potent—he takes it as generally accepted that other people view “liberal” as a curse word for fanatics.

]]> By: Q http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240345 Q Fri, 16 May 2008 13:23:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240345 Why is this hard to understand? Liberals talk about why their policies are good because there are good arguments for (almost all of) their policies. Republicans talk about how their policies are Conservative(TM) because "what's good for rich people is good for the country" isn't really that good of an argument. Why is this hard to understand? Liberals talk about why their policies are good because there are good arguments for (almost all of) their policies. Republicans talk about how their policies are Conservative™ because “what’s good for rich people is good for the country” isn’t really that good of an argument.

]]> By: jon http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240337 jon Fri, 16 May 2008 11:59:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240337 Matt: For an earlier & much more trenchant use of liberal as a pejorative, try <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STdmiiYTl9I" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Matt: For an earlier & much more trenchant use of liberal as a pejorative, try this.

]]> By: Barry http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240332 Barry Fri, 16 May 2008 11:30:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240332 Me: "It’s amazing how often right-wingers do that, while frequently denying that they’re right-wingers." Dan Simon: "It’s amazing how often idiots say that, while frequently denying that they’re idiots." Oh, a rejoinder of cutting wit! Me: “It’s amazing how often right-wingers do that, while frequently denying that they’re right-wingers.”

Dan Simon: “It’s amazing how often idiots say that, while frequently denying that they’re idiots.”

Oh, a rejoinder of cutting wit!

]]> By: notsneaky http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240312 notsneaky Fri, 16 May 2008 07:29:03 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240312 You know that by the time of the Battle of the Ebro they were down to like five cents per share. You know that by the time of the Battle of the Ebro they were down to like five cents per share.

]]> By: AYY http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240304 AYY Fri, 16 May 2008 05:30:27 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240304 "I thought Bill Clinton had a very solid liberal foreign policy philosophy: international prosperity saves American lives. He very clearly believed that people who had hope, economically, wouldn’t become terrorists or rebels or anything else that we’d later have to fight." Well, that pretty much proved not to be the case. Clinton didn't see that people can be motivated by ideology. If he had, we might have been better off today. “I thought Bill Clinton had a very solid liberal foreign policy philosophy: international prosperity saves American lives. He very clearly believed that people who had hope, economically, wouldn’t become terrorists or rebels or anything else that we’d later have to fight.”

Well, that pretty much proved not to be the case.
Clinton didn’t see that people can be motivated by ideology. If he had, we might have been better off today.

]]> By: Matt Weiner http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240291 Matt Weiner Fri, 16 May 2008 02:24:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240291 The job done on "liberal" goes back long before Rove. The first time I ever heard "liberal" used as (something assumed to be) a pejorative was in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBAasek8NR4" rel="nofollow">The Logical Song</a> by Supertramp. The job done on “liberal” goes back long before Rove. The first time I ever heard “liberal” used as (something assumed to be) a pejorative was in The Logical Song by Supertramp.

]]> By: greensmile http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/15/prediction-markets-in-republican-spin-continued-and-branched-out-from/comment-page-1/#comment-240287 greensmile Fri, 16 May 2008 00:56:59 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=6921#comment-240287 A room full of Conservatives is a lynch mob waiting to happen. A room full of liberals is a hundred arguments waiting to fall apart. A room full of Conservatives is a lynch mob waiting to happen. A room full of liberals is a hundred arguments waiting to fall apart.

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