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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240949</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Updated score: CT 2, Trolls -500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Updated score: <span class="caps">CT 2</span>, Trolls -500</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240915</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!!!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://65.186.65.233/sounds/televis/peewee/imeant.mp3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quoth Pee Wee Herman.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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	<p><a href="http://65.186.65.233/sounds/televis/peewee/imeant.mp3" rel="nofollow">Quoth Pee Wee Herman.</a></p>
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		<title>By: functional</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240912</link>
		<dc:creator>functional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good catch, assuming that the Anti-Deficiency Act does apply here.  That said, because I had not seen any discussion of the Pentagon issue that cited that federal law, I had no reason to believe that anyone knew what they were talking about.   I still don&#039;t think that Mr. Quiggin could have cited that law; it&#039;s by sheer luck that he happened to have been right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good catch, assuming that the Anti-Deficiency Act does apply here.  That said, because I had not seen any discussion of the Pentagon issue that cited that federal law, I had no reason to believe that anyone knew what they were talking about.   I still don&#8217;t think that Mr. Quiggin could have cited that law; it&#8217;s by sheer luck that he happened to have been right.</p>
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		<title>By: gandhi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240894</link>
		<dc:creator>gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from &lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/todays_must_read_345.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TPM today&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;i&gt;The Department of Defense inspector general announced last Friday that it was undertaking a investigation of the program, and the Congress&#039; own General Accountability Office has &quot;already begun looking into the program and would give a legal opinion on whether it violated longstanding prohibitions against spending government money to spread propaganda to audiences in the United States.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Of course we have had quite a lot of enquiries that have gone nowhere, particularly with DoD. 

&lt;i&gt;Meanwhile, the TV networks have remained largely silent, as their credibility and transparency have been tarnished by the revelations about the program. As Media Matters has documented, the military analysts named in the Times piece appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast networks, cable news channels, and NPR. One minute they were giving ostensibly objective analysis, the next they were fawning over Rummy in private as &quot;the leader.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Meanwhile, in Canberra, the Libs are still busily pretending that the ABC has a leftwing bias... I guess if you believe the Murdoch media is telling it straight down the line, that&#039;s how things might look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is from <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/todays_must_read_345.php" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">TPM</span> today</a>:</p>

	<p><i>The Department of Defense inspector general announced last Friday that it was undertaking a investigation of the program, and the Congress&#8217; own General Accountability Office has &#8220;already begun looking into the program and would give a legal opinion on whether it violated longstanding prohibitions against spending government money to spread propaganda to audiences in the United States.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Of course we have had quite a lot of enquiries that have gone nowhere, particularly with DoD.</p>

	<p><i>Meanwhile, the TV networks have remained largely silent, as their credibility and transparency have been tarnished by the revelations about the program. As Media Matters has documented, the military analysts named in the Times piece appeared or were quoted more than 4,500 times on broadcast networks, cable news channels, and <span class="caps">NPR</span>. One minute they were giving ostensibly objective analysis, the next they were fawning over Rummy in private as &#8220;the leader.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Meanwhile, in Canberra, the Libs are still busily pretending that the <span class="caps">ABC</span> has a leftwing bias&#8230; I guess if you believe the Murdoch media is telling it straight down the line, that&#8217;s how things might look.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie Maland</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240852</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie Maland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe Greenwald has addressed the story I believe to be more scandalous than the media-planted generals, that being US support for the Iraqi terrorist group called MEK (or MKO).  Juan Cole touched on that subject last year, briefly:
Juan Cole, Informed Comment, 9 Aug 2007

Al-Hayat reports in Arabic that the Iranians hit back at US charges at the security meeting in Damascus, saying that the US and Iraq were not in a position to lecture others on terrorism as long as they gave refuge in Iraq to the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO or MEK), which is responsible for numerous bombings and other terrorism in Iran. The US State Department acknowledges that the MEK is a terrorist organization, but the Pentagon is using it against Iran anyway.

A more detailed description of US abetting of the terrorist group is at
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/10/211056/036

Under international law, a country which abets terrorists is, well, &quot;co-guilty.&quot; In light of US support for the Nuremberg Trials, there should be a lot more hand-wringing about this issue in MSM.

-- 
Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t believe Greenwald has addressed the story I believe to be more scandalous than the media-planted generals, that being US support for the Iraqi terrorist group called <span class="caps">MEK </span>(or <span class="caps">MKO</span>).  Juan Cole touched on that subject last year, briefly:<br />
Juan Cole, Informed Comment, 9 Aug 2007</p>

	<p>Al-Hayat reports in Arabic that the Iranians hit back at US charges at the security meeting in Damascus, saying that the US and Iraq were not in a position to lecture others on terrorism as long as they gave refuge in Iraq to the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO or <span class="caps">MEK</span>), which is responsible for numerous bombings and other terrorism in Iran. The <span class="caps">US </span>State Department acknowledges that the <span class="caps">MEK</span> is a terrorist organization, but the Pentagon is using it against Iran anyway.</p>

	<p>A more detailed description of US abetting of the terrorist group is at<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/10/211056/036" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/10/211056/036</a></p>

	<p>Under international law, a country which abets terrorists is, well, &#8220;co-guilty.&#8221; In light of US support for the Nuremberg Trials, there should be a lot more hand-wringing about this issue in <span class="caps">MSM</span>.<br />
&#8212;Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240845</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Score: Well-informed CT readers 1, Trolls -100

Thanks, rb&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t want to take credit for being well informed...I&#039;m fiddling around with a computer that can access Google.  Perhaps functional is telegraphing comments to CT.</description>
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	<p>Thanks, rb</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t want to take credit for being well informed&#8230;I&#8217;m fiddling around with a computer that can access Google.  Perhaps functional is telegraphing comments to CT.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240843</link>
		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major media is owned by companies that directly benefit from military spending. It is simply a cost of business to help the Pentagon provide propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The major media is owned by companies that directly benefit from military spending. It is simply a cost of business to help the Pentagon provide propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240841</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Score: Well-informed CT readers 1, Trolls -100

Thanks, rb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Score: Well-informed CT readers 1, Trolls -100</p>

	<p>Thanks, rb</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240832</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Antideficiency Act.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6052/is_2006_Jan/ai_n16123810&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GAO: There Are No Federal Funds for Publicity and Propaganda&lt;/a&gt;

On 17 February 2005, the GAO issued a memorandum to the heads of all federal agencies advising that expenditure of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda purposes violates the ADA. (64) The objective of GAO&#039;s memorandum was to emphasize the publicity and propaganda prohibition--especially with regard to prepackaged news stories. (65) The GAO stated that during the year preceding its memorandum, it found some federal agencies violated the publicity and propaganda prohibition and also the ADA by obligating appropriated funds to purchase prepackaged news stories. (66) Nevertheless, the GAO further advised that agencies could avoid violating the ADA if the news stories contained an appropriate disclaimer. (67)

Congress has prohibited the use of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda in each of its annual appropriations acts since 1951. (68) Consequently, because there are no appropriated funds available for this purpose, any expenditure of appropriated funds--even one dollar--would necessarily violate the ADA&#039;s prohibition against obligating funds in excess of the amount available in an appropriation. (69)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Antideficiency Act.</p>

	<p><i><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6052/is_2006_Jan/ai_n16123810" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">GAO</span>: There Are No Federal Funds for Publicity and Propaganda</a></i></p>

	<p>On 17 February 2005, the <span class="caps">GAO</span> issued a memorandum to the heads of all federal agencies advising that expenditure of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda purposes violates the <span class="caps">ADA</span>. (64) The objective of <span class="caps">GAO</span>&#8217;s memorandum was to emphasize the publicity and propaganda prohibition&#8212;especially with regard to prepackaged news stories. (65) The <span class="caps">GAO</span> stated that during the year preceding its memorandum, it found some federal agencies violated the publicity and propaganda prohibition and also the <span class="caps">ADA</span> by obligating appropriated funds to purchase prepackaged news stories. (66) Nevertheless, the <span class="caps">GAO</span> further advised that agencies could avoid violating the <span class="caps">ADA</span> if the news stories contained an appropriate disclaimer. (67)</p>

	<p>Congress has prohibited the use of appropriated funds for publicity or propaganda in each of its annual appropriations acts since 1951. (68) Consequently, because there are no appropriated funds available for this purpose, any expenditure of appropriated funds&#8212;even one dollar&#8212;would necessarily violate the <span class="caps">ADA</span>&#8217;s prohibition against obligating funds in excess of the amount available in an appropriation. (69)</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240831</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antideficiency Act, 31 U.S.C. § 1341.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Antideficiency Act, 31 U.S.C. &#167; 1341.</p>
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		<title>By: functional</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240830</link>
		<dc:creator>functional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Illegally&quot;?  What are they supposed to have done that is even arguably illegal?  Cite a specific American law if you can.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Illegally&#8221;?  What are they supposed to have done that is even arguably illegal?  Cite a specific American law if you can.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240692</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, I suspect that most people &lt;i&gt;assume&lt;/i&gt; that all the major media institutions are an extension of the government. Some of these institutions are more sympathetic to the Democrats, others to the Republicans - and this is where where the drama lies, to most people. 

The Fox News is too pro-Republican, the CBS (or whatever) is too pro-Democratic, etc. The fact that these institutions channel, one way or another, views and messages of the major government cliques is natural, it&#039;s expected; it doesn&#039;t shock, doesn&#039;t surprise. 

It&#039;s also seems natural (and has been proclaimed openly) that in the times of crises (and around these times) the the major media institutions &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; support the government. That is their duty. No Shock, no surprise there; everyone knows this is the way it is, this is the way it&#039;s always been, it is what it is. 

Not that different from Pravda, really. You read the propaganda, you guess what&#039;s going on, you become good at it, then you start enjoying it sorta like the crossword puzzle, you enjoy being clever. So, you see, it&#039;s all for the best. It can&#039;t be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thing is, I suspect that most people <i>assume</i> that all the major media institutions are an extension of the government. Some of these institutions are more sympathetic to the Democrats, others to the Republicans &#8211; and this is where where the drama lies, to most people.</p>

	<p>The Fox News is too pro-Republican, the <span class="caps">CBS </span>(or whatever) is too pro-Democratic, etc. The fact that these institutions channel, one way or another, views and messages of the major government cliques is natural, it&#8217;s expected; it doesn&#8217;t shock, doesn&#8217;t surprise.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s also seems natural (and has been proclaimed openly) that in the times of crises (and around these times) the the major media institutions <i>must</i> support the government. That is their duty. No Shock, no surprise there; everyone knows this is the way it is, this is the way it&#8217;s always been, it is what it is.</p>

	<p>Not that different from Pravda, really. You read the propaganda, you guess what&#8217;s going on, you become good at it, then you start enjoying it sorta like the crossword puzzle, you enjoy being clever. So, you see, it&#8217;s all for the best. It can&#8217;t be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240686</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/quotes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wag the Dog&lt;/a&gt; has been a helluva lot less funny during the GWB administration. 241 days to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/quotes" rel="nofollow">Wag the Dog</a> has been a helluva lot less funny during the <span class="caps">GWB</span> administration. 241 days to go.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240683</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect this to all change 180 degrees if Obama is elected. &quot;Spin&quot; will suddenly be demonized and every pundit will get the vapors at the slightest hint of it from the Obama administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Expect this to all change 180 degrees if Obama is elected. &#8220;Spin&#8221; will suddenly be demonized and every pundit will get the vapors at the slightest hint of it from the Obama administration.</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/22/spin-and-silence/comment-page-1/#comment-240681</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Q Why was the program kept secret?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;MR. STANZEL: You can talk to the Defense Department. It was their program -- which they&#039;ve discontinued.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q Who was in charge at the White House?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Someone forgot to insert

&lt;blockquote&gt;MR. STANZEL: ............&lt;/blockquote&gt;

at this point in the transcript. Hahahah. :)

(Which, by the way, I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webcitation.org/5Y1ReG0C4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;archived&lt;/a&gt;.)

&#160;-- bi, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;International Journal of Inactivism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Q Why was the program kept secret?</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>MR. <span class="caps">STANZEL</span>: You can talk to the Defense Department. It was their program&#8212;which they&#8217;ve discontinued.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>Q Who was in charge at the White House?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Someone forgot to insert</p>

	<p><blockquote>MR. <span class="caps">STANZEL</span>: &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>at this point in the transcript. Hahahah. :)</p>

	<p>(Which, by the way, I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5Y1ReG0C4" rel="nofollow">archived</a>.)</p>

	<p>&#160;&#8212;bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a></p>
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