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	<title>Comments on: Philosophers sought to think about education</title>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242911</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scholars in education departments (and, for that matter, political science, sociology, economics departments, or any other department where someone is doing philosophy) are certainly eligible. Getting more philosophers to work in the area is one aim of the project, but not the only one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Scholars in education departments (and, for that matter, political science, sociology, economics departments, or any other department where someone is doing philosophy) are certainly eligible. Getting more philosophers to work in the area is one aim of the project, but not the only one.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242874</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this limited to philosophers in philosophy departments, or are scholars focused on philosophy in Education departments also eligible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is this limited to philosophers in philosophy departments, or are scholars focused on philosophy in Education departments also eligible?</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242698</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used grants for two purposes -- buying out teaching time, and supporting a research assistant. Most philosophers, I guess, prefer the former, as I used to, but now I prefer the latter, having figured out how to make good use of a research assistant (which is harder to do in philosophy than in many disciplines, I suspect, and impossible, probably, for some philosophers given the way they work).

Having time free from teaching is really valuable pre-tenure if one has not yet learned how to juggle teaching a research efficiently, and because one&#039;s prospects for tenure depend enormously on producing publications. Post tenure, producing publications is a much less high stakes matter and, one would hope, one has mastered the relationship between teaching and research (which, for philosophers, can be a much more symbiotic relationship than it can for many other scholars -- a great deal of my research &quot;output&quot;, for example, including some of the best of it, originated in my undergraduate teaching).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve used grants for two purposes&#8212;buying out teaching time, and supporting a research assistant. Most philosophers, I guess, prefer the former, as I used to, but now I prefer the latter, having figured out how to make good use of a research assistant (which is harder to do in philosophy than in many disciplines, I suspect, and impossible, probably, for some philosophers given the way they work).</p>

	<p>Having time free from teaching is really valuable pre-tenure if one has not yet learned how to juggle teaching a research efficiently, and because one&#8217;s prospects for tenure depend enormously on producing publications. Post tenure, producing publications is a much less high stakes matter and, one would hope, one has mastered the relationship between teaching and research (which, for philosophers, can be a much more symbiotic relationship than it can for many other scholars&#8212;a great deal of my research &#8220;output&#8221;, for example, including some of the best of it, originated in my undergraduate teaching).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242633</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t take this the wrong way, but what do philosophy grants typically pay for?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Cue hoary paper/pencils/wastebasket joke in 3,2,1...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Don&#8217;t take this the wrong way, but what do philosophy grants typically pay for?</blockquote>Cue hoary paper/pencils/wastebasket joke in 3,2,1&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous philosopher</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242627</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same question as Aaron.  Can one get salary out of such things?

Not, ah, that I wouldn&#039;t be doing it out of pure love of philosophy &amp; education, of course....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I had the same question as Aaron.  Can one get salary out of such things?</p>

	<p>Not, ah, that I wouldn&#8217;t be doing it out of pure love of philosophy &#038; education, of course&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swartz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242610</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t take this the wrong way, but what do philosophy grants typically pay for? The costs of hiring a lecturer to take over your teaching duities? Research assistants? Books?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t take this the wrong way, but what do philosophy grants typically pay for? The costs of hiring a lecturer to take over your teaching duities? Research assistants? Books?</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242570</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid -- yes, we should have that discussion/debate. I&#039;ll get some more thoughts prepared.

I need to check, but I am pretty certain that national boundaries are not relevant for this -- ie, that scholars from any country are eligible to apply for funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ingrid&#8212;yes, we should have that discussion/debate. I&#8217;ll get some more thoughts prepared.</p>

	<p>I need to check, but I am pretty certain that national boundaries are not relevant for this&#8212;ie, that scholars from any country are eligible to apply for funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Robeyns</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/05/philosophers-sought-to-think-about-education/comment-page-1/#comment-242560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Robeyns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, is this an internatonal grant scheme, or only for USA-based scholars? I couldn&#039;t find an answer to this question on the pages that you linked to, but perhaps I didn&#039;t read it careful enough...

As for your comment: I agree with your observations, fwiw. This makes me think (again!) about the ideal-nonideal debate that we need to have here one day - and that day will be sometime in July or August.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harry, is this an internatonal grant scheme, or only for <span class="caps">USA</span>-based scholars? I couldn&#8217;t find an answer to this question on the pages that you linked to, but perhaps I didn&#8217;t read it careful enough&#8230;</p>

	<p>As for your comment: I agree with your observations, fwiw. This makes me think (again!) about the ideal-nonideal debate that we need to have here one day &#8211; and that day will be sometime in July or August.</p>
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