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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242966</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
That only really happens if McCain wins. If he loses, won’t the representatives of the old face be coming back on a wave of “Told you so”s?
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Maybe.  But that group probably represents even less electoral success in a general election now.  After all, it wasn&#039;t even good enough in a Republican primary this year.</description>
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That only really happens if McCain wins. If he loses, won&#8217;t the representatives of the old face be coming back on a wave of &#8220;Told you so&#8221;s?<br />
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	<p>Maybe.  But that group probably represents even less electoral success in a general election now.  After all, it wasn&#8217;t even good enough in a Republican primary this year.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242799</link>
		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;McCain continues to become the new face of Republicanism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That only really happens if McCain wins. If he loses, won&#039;t the representatives of the old face be coming back on a wave of &quot;Told you so&quot;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote><i>McCain continues to become the new face of Republicanism</i></blockquote></p>

	<p>That only really happens if McCain wins. If he loses, won&#8217;t the representatives of the old face be coming back on a wave of &#8220;Told you so&#8221;s?</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242787</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s/&#246;o/&#246;/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>s/&#246;o/&#246;/</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242785</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah... the other day &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/worldwide-climate-crank-journamalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I was writing about&lt;/a&gt; how Don Aitkin&#039;s bland, lowest-common-denominator account of Climate Skepticism&#8482; was akin to the Tl&#246;nists&#039; elimination of the &quot;multiplication of &lt;i&gt;hr&#246;onir&lt;/i&gt;&quot; stuff.

It&#039;s instructive -- and entertaining -- to dig up what the merry band of climate inactivists were saying back then, and compare it to what they&#039;re saying now. Lots of fun and merriment to be had.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do the books discussed in this post get thrown down the memory hole?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not whole books, just those parts of the books which no longer sound good.

&#160;--bi, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;International Journal of Inactivism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hah&#8230; the other day <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/worldwide-climate-crank-journamalism/" rel="nofollow">I was writing about</a> how Don Aitkin&#8217;s bland, lowest-common-denominator account of Climate Skepticism&#8482; was akin to the Tl&#246;nists&#8217; elimination of the &#8220;multiplication of <i>hr&#246;onir</i>&#8221; stuff.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s instructive&#8212;and entertaining&#8212;to dig up what the merry band of climate inactivists were saying back then, and compare it to what they&#8217;re saying now. Lots of fun and merriment to be had.</p>

	<p><blockquote>Do the books discussed in this post get thrown down the memory hole?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Not whole books, just those parts of the books which no longer sound good.</p>

	<p>&#160;&#8212;bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242696</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rich b.:

I think this is the way to understand American politics. It isn&#039;t two parties but two mostly-permanent coalitions of about a dozen or so parties: Social-democrats, theocrats, neocons, Reagan Democrats, libertarians, Dixiecrats, Constitionionalists, Progressives, old school Conservatives, Independents and Joe Lieberman.

Depending on the issue, the coalitions will change slightly (under the banner of Bi-partisanship) but they divide into two camps for what was at one time considdered electoral simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>rich b.:</p>

	<p>I think this is the way to understand American politics. It isn&#8217;t two parties but two mostly-permanent coalitions of about a dozen or so parties: Social-democrats, theocrats, neocons, Reagan Democrats, libertarians, Dixiecrats, Constitionionalists, Progressives, old school Conservatives, Independents and Joe Lieberman.</p>

	<p>Depending on the issue, the coalitions will change slightly (under the banner of Bi-partisanship) but they divide into two camps for what was at one time considdered electoral simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To be fair, though, Republicans’ knowledge of their own representation of reality is unmatched.&lt;/i&gt;

Thread already won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>To be fair, though, Republicans&#8217; knowledge of their own representation of reality is unmatched.</i></p>

	<p>Thread already won.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich B.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242596</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is most impressive to me is not just the delusion, but the way that the delusion can shift with party leadership.  Just over the last decade or so, the mainstream Republicanism represented by Gingrich, Bush, and McCain would constitute widely divergent parties in any non-bi-polar political system.

I am curious to see what happens as John &quot;Climate Change Is Real And Should Be Addressed Somehow&quot; McCain continues to become the new face of Republicanism.  Do the books discussed in this post get thrown down the memory hole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What is most impressive to me is not just the delusion, but the way that the delusion can shift with party leadership.  Just over the last decade or so, the mainstream Republicanism represented by Gingrich, Bush, and McCain would constitute widely divergent parties in any non-bi-polar political system.</p>

	<p>I am curious to see what happens as John &#8220;Climate Change Is Real And Should Be Addressed Somehow&#8221; McCain continues to become the new face of Republicanism.  Do the books discussed in this post get thrown down the memory hole?</p>
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		<title>By: "Q" the Enchanter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242591</link>
		<dc:creator>"Q" the Enchanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, though, Republicans&#039; knowledge of their own representation of reality is unmatched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, though, Republicans&#8217; knowledge of their own representation of reality is unmatched.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/06/the-great-library-of-tlon/comment-page-1/#comment-242582</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always suspected Dick Cheney was secretly a Heresiarch of Uqbar. Explains the man-sized safe in his office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve always suspected Dick Cheney was secretly a Heresiarch of Uqbar. Explains the man-sized safe in his office.</p>
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