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		<title>By: jamie_2002</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/21/more-on-accents/comment-page-2/#comment-247414</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie_2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in &quot;Trahno&quot;

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

We don&#039;t use all our consonants, but we don&#039;t sound American :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was born in &#8220;Trahno&#8221;</p>

	<p>Toronto, Ontario, Canada</p>

	<p>We don&#8217;t use all our consonants, but we don&#8217;t sound American :)</p>
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		<title>By: Theron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three cheers for derrida derider - as a Southerner, I&#039;ve always been a little annoyed at the notion that we are the ones with the accent and people from the midwest are lacking in same. The &quot;I don&#039;t have an accent&quot; attitude is pretnetious, at best.

Mijnheer - I grew up in the Atlanta area and I don&#039;t even substitute &quot;d&quot; for &quot;t&quot; - &quot;A&#039;lanna&quot; is closer to what I say. I tend to be more crisp about other words, but I struggle to say &quot;Atlanta&quot; as written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Three cheers for derrida derider &#8211; as a Southerner, I&#8217;ve always been a little annoyed at the notion that we are the ones with the accent and people from the midwest are lacking in same. The &#8220;I don&#8217;t have an accent&#8221; attitude is pretnetious, at best.</p>

	<p>Mijnheer &#8211; I grew up in the Atlanta area and I don&#8217;t even substitute &#8220;d&#8221; for &#8220;t&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;A&#8217;lanna&#8221; is closer to what I say. I tend to be more crisp about other words, but I struggle to say &#8220;Atlanta&#8221; as written.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/21/more-on-accents/comment-page-2/#comment-247065</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?&lt;/i&gt;

Based on my parents&#039; recognition, I&#039;d say that there are a few distinctions: &#039;Bugs Bunny&#039;, &#039;Foghorn Leghorn&#039;, &#039;Yosemite Sam&#039;, and &#039;None of the above&#039;, based upon exposure to film and television. That&#039;s to say, they can tell a New Yorker from a Deep Southerner from a Cowboy Westerner, but throw them a Minnesotan or a Kentuckian or a Californian or a Canadian and they&#039;ll file it under &#039;Unidentified American&#039;.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.ku.edu/idea/dialectmap.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KU audio database&lt;/a&gt; is a really good resource, in part because of standard texts that are designed to accentuate the idiosyncracies of, um, accents.

As for my accent (like those of the general locale) it seems to be one of the least subject to attrition, given the number of people who seem to have retained most of theirs after several decades living in the US.  An inexact example is Ridley Scott, whose accent is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732RbbLusm0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;noticeably thicker now&lt;/a&gt; than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjiRErZBC8I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it was in the 1980s&lt;/a&gt;.

(One thing that has changed for me: Radio 4 play &quot;Americans&quot; now sound like fingernails across a blackboard.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?</i></p>

	<p>Based on my parents&#8217; recognition, I&#8217;d say that there are a few distinctions: &#8216;Bugs Bunny&#8217;, &#8216;Foghorn Leghorn&#8217;, &#8216;Yosemite Sam&#8217;, and &#8216;None of the above&#8217;, based upon exposure to film and television. That&#8217;s to say, they can tell a New Yorker from a Deep Southerner from a Cowboy Westerner, but throw them a Minnesotan or a Kentuckian or a Californian or a Canadian and they&#8217;ll file it under &#8216;Unidentified American&#8217;.</p>

	<p>The <a href="http://web.ku.edu/idea/dialectmap.htm" rel="nofollow">KU audio database</a> is a really good resource, in part because of standard texts that are designed to accentuate the idiosyncracies of, um, accents.</p>

	<p>As for my accent (like those of the general locale) it seems to be one of the least subject to attrition, given the number of people who seem to have retained most of theirs after several decades living in the US.  An inexact example is Ridley Scott, whose accent is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732RbbLusm0" rel="nofollow">noticeably thicker now</a> than <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjiRErZBC8I" rel="nofollow">it was in the 1980s</a>.</p>

	<p>(One thing that has changed for me: Radio 4 play &#8220;Americans&#8221; now sound like fingernails across a blackboard.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?

Interestingly, according to Desley Deacon, in a chapter you can read online (http://epress.anu.edu.au/tal/html/frames.php),  there was a strong Australian influence on the development of what the movies promoted as a &#039;good&#039; American accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?</p>

	<p>Interestingly, according to Desley Deacon, in a chapter you can read online (<a href="http://epress.anu.edu.au/tal/html/frames.php" rel="nofollow">http://epress.anu.edu.au/tal/html/frames.php</a>),  there was a strong Australian influence on the development of what the movies promoted as a &#8216;good&#8217; American accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: &lt;i&gt;Fascinating, so much parochialism and ignorance. I only hope it is all tongue-in-cheek. Personally I’m always puzzled by people who claim not to be able to understand other regions’ accents. Are they just not listening properly, or something?&lt;/i&gt;

Understanding accents different from your own is an acquired skill, and often taken for granted.  Typically, those lacking interaction with diverse groups have a lot of difficulty understanding linguistic patterns different from their own.   I am sure you can recall an instance when you have witnessed a misunderstanding between a local and an outsider who speaks lightly accented English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave: <i>Fascinating, so much parochialism and ignorance. I only hope it is all tongue-in-cheek. Personally I&#8217;m always puzzled by people who claim not to be able to understand other regions&#8217; accents. Are they just not listening properly, or something?</i></p>

	<p>Understanding accents different from your own is an acquired skill, and often taken for granted.  Typically, those lacking interaction with diverse groups have a lot of difficulty understanding linguistic patterns different from their own.   I am sure you can recall an instance when you have witnessed a misunderstanding between a local and an outsider who speaks lightly accented English.</p>
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		<title>By: PSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The English never plan anything, but they are always scheming.</description>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments, but I suspect no one else has had the experience I had in Ireland ca. 1972 of regularly being identified as English by my accent?  (Grew up in California, but strongest influence on my accent is probably my mother, from rural Illinois -- last outpost of the ancient pronounciation &quot;hwat.&quot;)

For what it&#039;s worth my midwestern relatives, perhaps due to the great-whatever mother from Rochedale, use words in everyday speech that are glossed as regional or archaic in the works of Elizabeth Gaskell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments, but I suspect no one else has had the experience I had in Ireland ca. 1972 of regularly being identified as English by my accent?  (Grew up in California, but strongest influence on my accent is probably my mother, from rural Illinois&#8212;last outpost of the ancient pronounciation &#8220;hwat.&#8221;)</p>

	<p>For what it&#8217;s worth my midwestern relatives, perhaps due to the great-whatever mother from Rochedale, use words in everyday speech that are glossed as regional or archaic in the works of Elizabeth Gaskell.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt: &lt;i&gt;Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?&lt;/i&gt;
Before coming to America, these British ears knew only two US accents: &quot;American&quot; (works also for Canadian) and &quot;Southern.&quot; Outsiders often cannot perceive differences that are obvious to natives; whether that&#039;s from lack of exposure or a lack of mnemonic reference points (such as social/cultural context) I&#039;m not sure. 
&lt;i&gt;Do the Texas accent and the Mid West sounds like they are clearly variants in the same family?&lt;/i&gt;
Yes. They&#039;re definitely not British or Antipodean.

George: &lt;i&gt;So you would be okay with ‘nookyular’, I guess.&lt;/i&gt;
Yes. It&#039;s a useful social marker.

Bruce: &lt;i&gt;accents in English can be a matter of degree of intensity.&lt;/i&gt;
Intensity relative to what? This idea is like imagining you can stand at the still centre of the universe and watch everything else moving from your point of absolute rest and authority. You really mean &quot;degree of difference from your own.&quot;

novakant: &lt;i&gt;in England ...many reasonable people who want to be more widely and easily understood have adopted something sounding quite similar to the way people talk in Iowa&lt;/i&gt;
No. The standard British accent is now a general sort of Estuarian, closest in tone to North London. Amy Winehouse is trying to move this more towards Crunk Rapper, but so far with liu succe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Walt: <i>Do different American accents sound alike to British ears?</i><br />
Before coming to America, these British ears knew only two US accents: &#8220;American&#8221; (works also for Canadian) and &#8220;Southern.&#8221; Outsiders often cannot perceive differences that are obvious to natives; whether that&#8217;s from lack of exposure or a lack of mnemonic reference points (such as social/cultural context) I&#8217;m not sure.<br />
<i>Do the Texas accent and the Mid West sounds like they are clearly variants in the same family?</i><br />
Yes. They&#8217;re definitely not British or Antipodean.</p>

	<p>George: <i>So you would be okay with &#8216;nookyular&#8217;, I guess.</i><br />
Yes. It&#8217;s a useful social marker.</p>

	<p>Bruce: <i>accents in English can be a matter of degree of intensity.</i><br />
Intensity relative to what? This idea is like imagining you can stand at the still centre of the universe and watch everything else moving from your point of absolute rest and authority. You really mean &#8220;degree of difference from your own.&#8221;</p>

	<p>novakant: <i>in England &#8230;many reasonable people who want to be more widely and easily understood have adopted something sounding quite similar to the way people talk in Iowa</i><br />
No. The standard British accent is now a general sort of Estuarian, closest in tone to North London. Amy Winehouse is trying to move this more towards Crunk Rapper, but so far with liu succe.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite funny: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88045552&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;21 accents in 2 1/2 minutes&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is quite funny: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88045552" rel="nofollow">21 accents in 2 1/2 minutes</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second line above should be in italics as well.  It&#039;s a shame the new system doesn&#039;t seem to offer preview.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It has always seemed to me that the Northern Irish accent bears the closest similarity to a US accent.

IME many Americans find it very, very difficult to distinguish NI and Scottish accents.&lt;/i&gt;

These can&#039;t both be true, since many Americans consider the Scottish accent to be somewhere between comical (think of Groundskeeper Willie: &quot;The noozel!  The noozel at the end of the hoose!&quot;) and incomprehensible (think of Mel Gibson&#039;s American rooster in &lt;i&gt;Chicken Run&lt;/i&gt; asking if the Scottish hen was in fact speaking English).  These are exaggerations, of course, but I did watch &lt;i&gt;Trainspotting&lt;/i&gt; on DVD with the captions turned on.  

I could never understand half of what Benny Hill was saying, either, but I guess he often had his face planted in some woman&#039;s chest as he talked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It has always seemed to me that the Northern Irish accent bears the closest similarity to a US accent.</i></p>

	<p><span class="caps">IME</span> many Americans find it very, very difficult to distinguish NI and Scottish accents.</p>

	<p>These can&#8217;t both be true, since many Americans consider the Scottish accent to be somewhere between comical (think of Groundskeeper Willie: &#8220;The noozel!  The noozel at the end of the hoose!&#8221;) and incomprehensible (think of Mel Gibson&#8217;s American rooster in <i>Chicken Run</i> asking if the Scottish hen was in fact speaking English).  These are exaggerations, of course, but I did watch <i>Trainspotting</i> on <span class="caps">DVD</span> with the captions turned on.</p>

	<p>I could never understand half of what Benny Hill was saying, either, but I guess he often had his face planted in some woman&#8217;s chest as he talked.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Texan&#039;s right surely?  25 years ago I spent some time at college in North Carolina.  To this day my American friends do not speak with American, still less Southern, accents - they just speak with the inflections of their own voices.  At least that&#039;s all I hear . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Texan&#8217;s right surely?  25 years ago I spent some time at college in North Carolina.  To this day my American friends do not speak with American, still less Southern, accents &#8211; they just speak with the inflections of their own voices.  At least that&#8217;s all I hear . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating, so much parochialism and ignorance. I only hope it is all tongue-in-cheek. Personally I&#039;m always puzzled by people who claim not to be able to understand other regions&#039; accents. Are they just not listening properly, or something?

But, to add my own amusing anecdote, on a trip to the States a couple of years ago, I did smile when I heard the very-proper CNN newsreader/anchor carefully enunciate the rap-person Fifty-cent&#039;s name as &quot;fiddy-cent&quot;... A sweet gesture of cross-ethnic solidarity, I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fascinating, so much parochialism and ignorance. I only hope it is all tongue-in-cheek. Personally I&#8217;m always puzzled by people who claim not to be able to understand other regions&#8217; accents. Are they just not listening properly, or something?</p>

	<p>But, to add my own amusing anecdote, on a trip to the States a couple of years ago, I did smile when I heard the very-proper <span class="caps">CNN</span> newsreader/anchor carefully enunciate the rap-person Fifty-cent&#8217;s name as &#8220;fiddy-cent&#8221;&#8230; A sweet gesture of cross-ethnic solidarity, I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: deliasmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mass chanting carries an accent. Football crowds in my adopted city chant for ‘Ah-Lestah’, football crowds in my home town sing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1CtrkM9cVE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;’Dee lie leur’&lt;/a&gt; (striking Baltic rendition &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIMEMDYxZE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). 
When American crowds chant ‘U-S-A number one’ is there a discernable accent? Does the crowd at Yankee Stadium chant with a Bronx accent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mass chanting carries an accent. Football crowds in my adopted city chant for &#8216;Ah-Lestah&#8217;, football crowds in my home town sing <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1CtrkM9cVE" rel="nofollow">&#8217;Dee lie leur&#8217;</a> (striking Baltic rendition <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhIMEMDYxZE" rel="nofollow">here</a>).<br />
When American crowds chant &#8216;U-S-A number one&#8217; is there a discernable accent? Does the crowd at Yankee Stadium chant with a Bronx accent?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 That would make Terry Wogan the authentic voice of England....</description>
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