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	<title>Comments on: Michael Chertoff, Euroweenie</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247537</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own:  dozens of Pakistanis; more than 130 Israelis; more than 250 citizens of India; men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan; and hundreds of British citizens.  America has no truer friend than Great Britain.&quot; President Bush, 9/20/2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own:  dozens of Pakistanis; more than 130 Israelis; more than 250 citizens of India; men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan; and hundreds of British citizens.  America has no truer friend than Great Britain.&#8221; President Bush, 9/20/2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247400</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>York should be faulted simply for being incomplete.

York:   Yes, the victims were from all over the globe — places like Brooklyn, and the Bronx, and Manhattan, and Queens, and Staten Island, and New Jersey — all over. And most were Americans, weren’t they?  I HAVE  NEVER SEEN PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR HUSBAND&#039;S DEATHS SO MUCH.&quot; 

Hats off to AnnCoulter for fixing that for Mr. York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>York should be faulted simply for being incomplete.</p>

	<p>York:   Yes, the victims were from all over the globe &#8212; places like Brooklyn, and the Bronx, and Manhattan, and Queens, and Staten Island, and New Jersey &#8212; all over. And most were Americans, weren&#8217;t they?  <span class="caps">I HAVE  NEVER SEEN PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR HUSBAND</span>&#8217;S <span class="caps">DEATHS SO MUCH</span>.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Hats off to AnnCoulter for fixing that for Mr. York.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247391</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Into which, of course, any chattering crowd can now walk, it being more of an exhibition space these days. Next you&#039;ll be trying the old one about cabbies changing foreign currency [never south of the river, though].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Into which, of course, any chattering crowd can now walk, it being more of an exhibition space these days. Next you&#8217;ll be trying the old one about cabbies changing foreign currency [never south of the river, though].</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26: quiet, you fool! I was about to recommend they try out the magnificent echo in the British Museum Reading Room...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>26: quiet, you fool! I was about to recommend they try out the magnificent echo in the British Museum Reading Room&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247384</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the benefit of those tragically unfortunate enough to have concluded their role as colonies of Britain before the codification of the rules of cricket in the noineteenth century, I feel I must point out that #22 is having you on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For the benefit of those tragically unfortunate enough to have concluded their role as colonies of Britain before the codification of the rules of cricket in the noineteenth century, I feel I must point out that #22 is having you on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247376</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You shouldn’t be surprised if the rhetorical inflation of the non-American loss is taken as a deflation of the American loss.?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Certainly, I am no longer surprised when idiots make stuff up so that they have something to bitch about.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>You shouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the rhetorical inflation of the non-American loss is taken as a deflation of the American loss.?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Certainly, I am no longer surprised when idiots make stuff up so that they have something to bitch about.<br />
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247372</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20: kinda, &#039;cept they do it all twice [in *proper* cricket], and it takes five days............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@20: kinda, &#8216;cept they do it all twice [in <strong>proper</strong> cricket], and it takes five days&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: franck</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247368</link>
		<dc:creator>franck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cricket is gaining in popularity in the US, but from a miniscule base, and it is largely driven by South Asian and Caribbean immigrants.  The US will never be a cricketing power, but if Ireland can beat Pakistan, maybe someday we will too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cricket is gaining in popularity in the US, but from a miniscule base, and it is largely driven by South Asian and Caribbean immigrants.  The US will never be a cricketing power, but if Ireland can beat Pakistan, maybe someday we will too.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247364</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray: pretty much. Like any other game, cricket is at root fairly simple, bu the specialised terms used by players can make it confusing for the outsider. With that in mind, here&#039;s a simple glossary.

The man with the bat is known (logically enough) as the &lt;b&gt;batman&lt;/b&gt;.  The opposing (non-batting) team are the &lt;b&gt;visitors&lt;/b&gt;, or, in college games, the &lt;b&gt;varsity&lt;/b&gt;. One of them will throw (or &lt;b&gt;lob&lt;/b&gt;) the ball (or &lt;b&gt;bail&lt;/b&gt;) in the direction of the batman standing at the opposite end of the playing area - the &lt;b&gt;pitch&lt;/b&gt; or &lt;b&gt;green&lt;/b&gt;. Six lobs make up a &lt;b&gt;furlong&lt;/b&gt; after which the entire visiting side must walk slowly into the middle of the green, shake hands and then return to their places.

If the bail goes wide of the little wooden things ( three vertical sticks stuck in the ground, called &lt;b&gt;innings&lt;/b&gt;, supporting two smaller wooden bars, or &lt;b&gt;boycotts&lt;/b&gt;; collectively, this rectangular assembly is known as a &lt;b&gt;cricket box&lt;/b&gt;) it is called a &quot;wide&quot;; if it goes straight over the top of the wooden things it is called an &quot;over&quot;. The lobber is, of course, aiming to hit the batman&#039;s cricket box.
The batman scores points by hitting the bail and then running the length of the pitch - each time he manages to do so he scores one point, or &lt;b&gt;try&lt;/b&gt;. If he hits the bail at all on the sixth lob of the furlong it is known as a &lt;b&gt;six&lt;/b&gt; and scores six points.

Play is suspended in the event of rain or tea. As one or both of these exists at almost every point during an English summer, matches can often last for days. The current dominance of the game by Commonwealth sides is due to their long periods of dry weather, which allows them far more time to practice.
Because the state of the ground is extremely important in cricket - damp or waterlogged soil will change the way the bail bounces and can also exacerbate a painful fungal disease known to cricketers as &lt;b&gt;sticky wicket&lt;/b&gt; - the first match of the season at a particular venue after the winter is known as a &lt;b&gt;Test Match&lt;/b&gt; and, due to the handicap of uncertain ground condition, points scored count double for the rest of the season.
Please let me know if you have any more questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ray: pretty much. Like any other game, cricket is at root fairly simple, bu the specialised terms used by players can make it confusing for the outsider. With that in mind, here&#8217;s a simple glossary.</p>

	<p>The man with the bat is known (logically enough) as the <b>batman</b>.  The opposing (non-batting) team are the <b>visitors</b>, or, in college games, the <b>varsity</b>. One of them will throw (or <b>lob</b>) the ball (or <b>bail</b>) in the direction of the batman standing at the opposite end of the playing area &#8211; the <b>pitch</b> or <b>green</b>. Six lobs make up a <b>furlong</b> after which the entire visiting side must walk slowly into the middle of the green, shake hands and then return to their places.</p>

	<p>If the bail goes wide of the little wooden things ( three vertical sticks stuck in the ground, called <b>innings</b>, supporting two smaller wooden bars, or <b>boycotts</b>; collectively, this rectangular assembly is known as a <b>cricket box</b>) it is called a &#8220;wide&#8221;; if it goes straight over the top of the wooden things it is called an &#8220;over&#8221;. The lobber is, of course, aiming to hit the batman&#8217;s cricket box.<br />
The batman scores points by hitting the bail and then running the length of the pitch &#8211; each time he manages to do so he scores one point, or <b>try</b>. If he hits the bail at all on the sixth lob of the furlong it is known as a <b>six</b> and scores six points.</p>

	<p>Play is suspended in the event of rain or tea. As one or both of these exists at almost every point during an English summer, matches can often last for days. The current dominance of the game by Commonwealth sides is due to their long periods of dry weather, which allows them far more time to practice.<br />
Because the state of the ground is extremely important in cricket &#8211; damp or waterlogged soil will change the way the bail bounces and can also exacerbate a painful fungal disease known to cricketers as <b>sticky wicket</b> &#8211; the first match of the season at a particular venue after the winter is known as a <b>Test Match</b> and, due to the handicap of uncertain ground condition, points scored count double for the rest of the season.<br />
Please let me know if you have any more questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247356</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, please see:

http://www.giftsfromwales.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&amp;pID=73&amp;zenid=280a1424286659e775bce2fb10af8b24</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ray, please see:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.giftsfromwales.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&#038;pID=73&#038;zenid=280a1424286659e775bce2fb10af8b24" rel="nofollow">http://www.giftsfromwales.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&#038;pID=73&#038;zenid=280a1424286659e775bce2fb10af8b24</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247355</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, one team keeps hitting the ball until they run out of bat-guys, then the other team has a go until they run out of bat-guys, and the team that ran up and down the most wins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So, one team keeps hitting the ball until they run out of bat-guys, then the other team has a go until they run out of bat-guys, and the team that ran up and down the most wins?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/24/michael-chertoff-euroweenie/comment-page-1/#comment-247351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18: Oh, I dunno, you guys can make 60 minutes of football last almost as long as some cricket-matches...

Besides, what&#039;s arcane about cricket? The guys with the bats have to stop the guys with the ball knocking over the little wooden things. When they do that by hitting the ball far enough away, they get to run up and down and score. If the little wooden thing gets knocked over, a new bat-guy has to come on, until they run out of guys. Jeeze, it ain&#039;t rocket-science. Australians can play it, quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@18: Oh, I dunno, you guys can make 60 minutes of football last almost as long as some cricket-matches&#8230;</p>

	<p>Besides, what&#8217;s arcane about cricket? The guys with the bats have to stop the guys with the ball knocking over the little wooden things. When they do that by hitting the ball far enough away, they get to run up and down and score. If the little wooden thing gets knocked over, a new bat-guy has to come on, until they run out of guys. Jeeze, it ain&#8217;t rocket-science. Australians can play it, quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sg,
I think Americans are bad at cricket because the limits of their tolerance for arcane, pointless, tedious sports extend only to baseball.  Although the Logan Act may contribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sg,<br />
I think Americans are bad at cricket because the limits of their tolerance for arcane, pointless, tedious sports extend only to baseball.  Although the Logan Act may contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: "Q" the Enchanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Q" the Enchanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, my point isn&#039;t the &quot;converse&quot; of York&#039;s -- I reject York&#039;s premises altogether.

See, in &lt;i&gt;cooperative&lt;/i&gt; communication, certain background knowledge is often &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;assumed&lt;/a&gt;. Which is why in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this speech&lt;/a&gt;, for example, President Bush spends a whole paragraph enumerating the deaths of hundreds of Pakistanis, Israelis, Indians, El Salvadorians, Iranians, Mexicans, Japanese and British, without ever making explicit the fact that while hundreds of foreigners died, the attacks claimed &lt;i&gt;thousands&lt;/i&gt; of Americans.

So, no, I wouldn&#039;t call it &quot;rhetorical inflation.&quot; I&#039;d call it &quot;assuming your audience isn&#039;t filled with ignorant jackasses.&quot; (Though I&#039;d admit &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; a dicey maneuver when the denizens of National Review are watching.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thomas, my point isn&#8217;t the &#8220;converse&#8221; of York&#8217;s&#8212;I reject York&#8217;s premises altogether.</p>

	<p>See, in <i>cooperative</i> communication, certain background knowledge is often <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics" rel="nofollow">assumed</a>. Which is why in <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html" rel="nofollow">this speech</a>, for example, President Bush spends a whole paragraph enumerating the deaths of hundreds of Pakistanis, Israelis, Indians, El Salvadorians, Iranians, Mexicans, Japanese and British, without ever making explicit the fact that while hundreds of foreigners died, the attacks claimed <i>thousands</i> of Americans.</p>

	<p>So, no, I wouldn&#8217;t call it &#8220;rhetorical inflation.&#8221; I&#8217;d call it &#8220;assuming your audience isn&#8217;t filled with ignorant jackasses.&#8221; (Though I&#8217;d admit <i>that&#8217;s</i> a dicey maneuver when the denizens of National Review are watching.)</p>
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		<title>By: joseph duemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph duemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/205551.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TPM&lt;/a&gt;reader MA:
&lt;blockquote&gt;    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.  My &lt;em&gt;fellow citizens of the world&lt;/em&gt;: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. Finally, whether you are citizens of America or &lt;em&gt;citizens of the world&lt;/em&gt;, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God&#039;s work must truly be our own. [John Kennedy, Inaugural Address]&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Via <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/205551.php" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">TPM</span></a>reader MA:<br />
<blockquote>    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you &#8211; ask what you can do for your country.  My <em>fellow citizens of the world</em>: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. Finally, whether you are citizens of America or <em>citizens of the world</em>, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God&#8217;s work must truly be our own. [John Kennedy, Inaugural Address]</blockquote></p>
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