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	<title>Comments on: Putting the creativity back in creative capitalism</title>
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		<title>By: galt galton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/31/putting-the-creativity-back-in-creative-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-248419</link>
		<dc:creator>galt galton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I think you&#039;re overlooking the real drivers behind the Internet and information technology in general: Moore&#039;s Law and the analog exponential laws for storage and bandwidth. Invisible to most casual observers of the Internet, but far more crucial than some crappy software written by MSFT or Open Source coalitions (compare Linux to flavors of unix that have existed for 30 years or more -- not a big improvement).

Who is behind the Moore&#039;s Law and associated exponential growth curves? Hard core technologists in physics and electrical engineering, with some basic research funded by government grants (including, uh oh, defense spending), but, crucially, the bulk of it funded by for-profit companies like IBM, Intel, AMD, Applied Materials, Fujitsu, NEC, etc.

Imagine what the Web/Internet would look like today if CPUs and memory had not improved drastically since 1995. (Remember the 486 and megabytes of hard drive space?)

It&#039;s these advances that are largely responsible for the productivity boom, not blogs, wikis or open source projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John,</p>

	<p>I think you&#8217;re overlooking the real drivers behind the Internet and information technology in general: Moore&#8217;s Law and the analog exponential laws for storage and bandwidth. Invisible to most casual observers of the Internet, but far more crucial than some crappy software written by <span class="caps">MSFT</span> or Open Source coalitions (compare Linux to flavors of unix that have existed for 30 years or more&#8212;not a big improvement).</p>

	<p>Who is behind the Moore&#8217;s Law and associated exponential growth curves? Hard core technologists in physics and electrical engineering, with some basic research funded by government grants (including, uh oh, defense spending), but, crucially, the bulk of it funded by for-profit companies like <span class="caps">IBM</span>, Intel, <span class="caps">AMD</span>, Applied Materials, Fujitsu, <span class="caps">NEC</span>, etc.</p>

	<p>Imagine what the Web/Internet would look like today if CPUs and memory had not improved drastically since 1995. (Remember the 486 and megabytes of hard drive space?)</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s these advances that are largely responsible for the productivity boom, not blogs, wikis or open source projects.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/31/putting-the-creativity-back-in-creative-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-248348</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More creative capitalism. Not social democracy but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/12/17/little-mackey/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;benign monarchy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;You get a lot of criticism for preventing unions from organizing your workers. Are these sort of employee-friendly processes ones that you really couldn&#039;t implement with unions?&quot;
&quot;They&#039;d be much more difficult to implement with unions. First of all, it&#039;s a lie that Whole Foods somehow prevents unions from organizing. That&#039;s against the law. We can&#039;t prevent anybody from organizing a union; if our team members want a union, we can&#039;t stop them. Our team members can have unions, but they don&#039;t want unions because they create this adversarial relationship in the workplace. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Or maybe not so benign &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.labornet.org/news/0105/ufcwhol.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;after all&lt;/a&gt;.
Benign in or not, it&#039;s never a model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More creative capitalism. Not social democracy but <a href="http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/12/17/little-mackey/" rel="nofollow">benign monarchy</a><blockquote>&#8220;You get a lot of criticism for preventing unions from organizing your workers. Are these sort of employee-friendly processes ones that you really couldn&#8217;t implement with unions?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;They&#8217;d be much more difficult to implement with unions. First of all, it&#8217;s a lie that Whole Foods somehow prevents unions from organizing. That&#8217;s against the law. We can&#8217;t prevent anybody from organizing a union; if our team members want a union, we can&#8217;t stop them. Our team members can have unions, but they don&#8217;t want unions because they create this adversarial relationship in the workplace. &#8220;</blockquote>Or maybe not so benign <a href="http://www.labornet.org/news/0105/ufcwhol.htm" rel="nofollow">after all</a>.<br />
Benign in or not, it&#8217;s never a model.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/31/putting-the-creativity-back-in-creative-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-248315</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t be Evil” is at least theoretically directed towards Google’s employees&quot;
It&#039;s a  commandment [number 11 I guess] spoken by Google&#039;s chiefs to themselves and their employees. &quot; &#039;Trust us...&#039; to follow it.&quot;  
Hegemony is not democracy. 
If civil society were still considered something separate from corporate life then claims of creative capitalism would be laughed at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t be Evil&#8221; is at least theoretically directed towards Google&#8217;s employees&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s a  commandment [number 11 I guess] spoken by Google&#8217;s chiefs to themselves and their employees. &#8221; &#8216;Trust us&#8230;&#8217; to follow it.&#8221;<br />
Hegemony is not democracy.<br />
If civil society were still considered something separate from corporate life then claims of creative capitalism would be laughed at.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/31/putting-the-creativity-back-in-creative-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-248302</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t be Evil&quot; is at least theoretically directed towards Google&#039;s employees; &quot;Trust us&quot; would be directed to the world at large.

I&#039;m also very curious to hear how YouTube and Flickr are non-commercial or content producers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t be Evil&#8221; is at least theoretically directed towards Google&#8217;s employees; &#8220;Trust us&#8221; would be directed to the world at large.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m also very curious to hear how YouTube and Flickr are non-commercial or content producers.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quiggen is still describing communication as a subset of commerce.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fastcompany.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fast Company&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cultureby.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grant McCracken&lt;/a&gt; represent creative capitalism.  The poetry of instrumentalism. 
&quot;Of course, corporations still have a large role to play in the economy of the Internet.&quot;   Hilarious.   Of course, corporations still have a large role to play in the economy of  highways.
And as to &quot;Don&#039;t be Evil&quot;  Why not: &quot;Trust us&quot;
They mean the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Quiggen is still describing communication as a subset of commerce.<br />
<a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/" rel="nofollow">Fast Company</a> and <a href="http://www.cultureby.com/" rel="nofollow">Grant McCracken</a> represent creative capitalism.  The poetry of instrumentalism.<br />
&#8220;Of course, corporations still have a large role to play in the economy of the Internet.&#8221;   Hilarious.   Of course, corporations still have a large role to play in the economy of  highways.<br />
And as to &#8220;Don&#8217;t be Evil&#8221;  Why not: &#8220;Trust us&#8221;<br />
They mean the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/07/31/putting-the-creativity-back-in-creative-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-248251</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The central technical innovation of the past twenty years or so has been the rise of the Internet, and particularly the various incarnations of the World Wide Web.&#039;

... says an academic whose business is documents and ideas writing on a blog post.

You really should get out more.

It doesn&#039;t go to your point about whether innovation is driven by the market economy, but saying it&#039;s all about the web is too narrow.

Even staying close to the web, it would not have been possible without semiconductors (Moore&#039;s law keeps on going), fibre optics, hard disks, batteries, display technology, satellites, etc.

But staying close to the web is itself short sighted. I think the waves of the future will be biotechnology, both agriculture and medicine (yeah, just like they said in the 80s) and energy. The foundations for that innovation has been laid in the last 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;The central technical innovation of the past twenty years or so has been the rise of the Internet, and particularly the various incarnations of the World Wide Web.&#8217;</p>

	<p>&#8230; says an academic whose business is documents and ideas writing on a blog post.</p>

	<p>You really should get out more.</p>

	<p>It doesn&#8217;t go to your point about whether innovation is driven by the market economy, but saying it&#8217;s all about the web is too narrow.</p>

	<p>Even staying close to the web, it would not have been possible without semiconductors (Moore&#8217;s law keeps on going), fibre optics, hard disks, batteries, display technology, satellites, etc.</p>

	<p>But staying close to the web is itself short sighted. I think the waves of the future will be biotechnology, both agriculture and medicine (yeah, just like they said in the 80s) and energy. The foundations for that innovation has been laid in the last 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s no good to make any generalizations using examples like Google and Microsoft. These are freaks, natural abnormalities. It&#039;s like studying normal human anatomy on Siamese twins.  

Adopting a &quot;hypocritical pose of general concern&quot; is the most natural and common thing civilized people do. There is no need to fake anything, since it is, quite openly, only a &lt;i&gt;pose&lt;/i&gt; of general concern. 

It&#039;s like when you say &quot;how are you?&quot;, &quot;nice to meet you&quot; (or, for that matter, &quot;g&#039;day, mate&quot;) - that&#039;s often a &#039;hypocritical pose of concern&#039;, but there&#039;s absolutely no problem with faking it, it&#039;s expected. And people do think you&#039;re a nicer guy than if you had told them what you really think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s no good to make any generalizations using examples like Google and Microsoft. These are freaks, natural abnormalities. It&#8217;s like studying normal human anatomy on Siamese twins.</p>

	<p>Adopting a &#8220;hypocritical pose of general concern&#8221; is the most natural and common thing civilized people do. There is no need to fake anything, since it is, quite openly, only a <i>pose</i> of general concern.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s like when you say &#8220;how are you?&#8221;, &#8220;nice to meet you&#8221; (or, for that matter, &#8220;g&#8217;day, mate&#8221;) &#8211; that&#8217;s often a &#8216;hypocritical pose of concern&#8217;, but there&#8217;s absolutely no problem with faking it, it&#8217;s expected. And people do think you&#8217;re a nicer guy than if you had told them what you really think.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there is Bill Gates&#039; argument that he was very good at turning money into more money for himself and mediocre at directly helping those with no money.  Hence there was a very large gain from trade for him to concentrate on just accumulating as much money as he could and then turn it over to those who were good at helping the poor.  It seems a reasonable argument to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then there is Bill Gates&#8217; argument that he was very good at turning money into more money for himself and mediocre at directly helping those with no money.  Hence there was a very large gain from trade for him to concentrate on just accumulating as much money as he could and then turn it over to those who were good at helping the poor.  It seems a reasonable argument to me.</p>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My observation from the dotcom boom is that there was a rising tidal wave of innovation that was almost immediately frozen by the injection of money into the equation.  Investment froze things because investments have to be amortized (note the inclusion of &quot;mort&quot; in that term).  

Money can kill innovation.  

Of course, money can also spur innovation but it is most definitely a double-edged sword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My observation from the dotcom boom is that there was a rising tidal wave of innovation that was almost immediately frozen by the injection of money into the equation.  Investment froze things because investments have to be amortized (note the inclusion of &#8220;mort&#8221; in that term).</p>

	<p>Money can kill innovation.</p>

	<p>Of course, money can also spur innovation but it is most definitely a double-edged sword.</p>
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		<title>By: felix culpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix culpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dangerously radical!

You’re suggesting human beings &lt;i&gt;enjoy&lt;/i&gt; having a sense of purpose beyond that of an economic cipher? That social Darwinism isn’t the sole driver of national well-being? That utility reaches beyond the utilitarian?
That gaining the world is nor worth one’s, or a culture’s, soul?
How perniciously absurd.

May you live long and thrive creatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dangerously radical!</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re suggesting human beings <i>enjoy</i> having a sense of purpose beyond that of an economic cipher? That social Darwinism isn&#8217;t the sole driver of national well-being? That utility reaches beyond the utilitarian?<br />
That gaining the world is nor worth one&#8217;s, or a culture&#8217;s, soul?<br />
How perniciously absurd.</p>

	<p>May you live long and thrive creatively.</p>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Second, setting up a monopoly by stealth, then extracting the maximum rent is a trick that can be pulled off at most once.&lt;/em&gt;

Optimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Second, setting up a monopoly by stealth, then extracting the maximum rent is a trick that can be pulled off at most once.</em></p>

	<p>Optimist.</p>
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