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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yeah that&#039;s just it, there&#039;s laughter born of humor, then there&#039;s sneering and its accompanying derisive laughter. 
Humor tends to advance the species by lightening the load, scorn by leaving the scorned behind. 
Semmelweiss was basically undone by scorn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well yeah that&#8217;s just it, there&#8217;s laughter born of humor, then there&#8217;s sneering and its accompanying derisive laughter.<br />
Humor tends to advance the species by lightening the load, scorn by leaving the scorned behind.<br />
Semmelweiss was basically undone by scorn.</p>
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		<title>By: herr doktor bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>herr doktor bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confidently say that I would never have laughed at Semmelweiss, owing to my under-developed sense of humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can confidently say that I would never have laughed at Semmelweiss, owing to my under-developed sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morphic humorousness has led to non-jokes becoming jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Morphic humorousness has led to non-jokes becoming jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s either because you have an essentially vestigial sense of humor, or you&#039;re assuming I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s either because you have an essentially vestigial sense of humor, or you&#8217;re assuming I do.</p>
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		<title>By: herr doktor bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>herr doktor bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Velikovsky I’m not sure what happened to, maybe because he was Canadian.&lt;/i&gt;
I have a great deal of difficulty keeping my Inner Pedant in check when I read statements like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Velikovsky I&#8217;m not sure what happened to, maybe because he was Canadian.</i><br />
I have a great deal of difficulty keeping my Inner Pedant in check when I read statements like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Bubba, just like them. Except for the expert part, and the highly respected part.
Definitely a contemporary of Sheldrake (and me!) though, unless you&#039;re posting across the Feynman checkerboard via your unique brain wave oscillator. 
Which I somehow doubt given the frequency of your comments. 
Pun intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah Bubba, just like them. Except for the expert part, and the highly respected part.<br />
Definitely a contemporary of Sheldrake (and me!) though, unless you&#8217;re posting across the Feynman checkerboard via your unique brain wave oscillator.<br />
Which I somehow doubt given the frequency of your comments.<br />
Pun intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Highly respected contemporary experts sneered at both of them in their respective days emphatically, confidently, often.&lt;/i&gt;

Holy crap I&#039;m JUST LIKE THOSE SNEERERS!  I need a cracker to properly absorb the meaning of th--  CURSE YOU POLLY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Highly respected contemporary experts sneered at both of them in their respective days emphatically, confidently, often.</i></p>

	<p>Holy crap I&#8217;m <span class="caps">JUST LIKE THOSE SNEERERS</span>!  I need a cracker to properly absorb the meaning of th&#8212; <span class="caps">CURSE YOU POLLY</span>!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a Logic term I&#039;m sure for when the guy&#039;s wrong about one thing therefore the assertion is he&#039;s wrong about everything? So anybody arguing for the validity of one thing the guy says is undone by the lack of validity of the other thing he says, even though they&#039;re not talking about that?
Taint.
Hey, miasma?
The medically official accepted cause of puerperal fever in early 19th c Europe.
Whoops.
Lack of perspective caused that.
But we struggle on don&#039;t we?
Wrong about some stuff, right about other stuff.
How come no one ever talks about Velikovsky, speaking of voices crying in the non-positivist wilderness?
Velikovsky said Earth getting smacked by sizable celestial bodies was a major contributing factor to how things are. Dinosaurs gone missing,
continents shifting, mountains lifting...
Scorn, ridicule, ignominy.
The sneering babble of self-righteous professionals confirming each other&#039;s ignorance.
Craters abounding, many of them not readily apparent, some of them huge.
Velikovsky was right, and so was Ignatz Semmelweiss, early discoverer and pioneer of medical hygiene practices.
Highly respected contemporary experts sneered at both of them in their respective days emphatically, confidently, often.
 To the point Semmelweiss basically lost his mind and died in the gutter.
 Velikovsky I&#039;m not sure what happened to, maybe because he was Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a Logic term I&#8217;m sure for when the guy&#8217;s wrong about one thing therefore the assertion is he&#8217;s wrong about everything? So anybody arguing for the validity of one thing the guy says is undone by the lack of validity of the other thing he says, even though they&#8217;re not talking about that?<br />
Taint.<br />
Hey, miasma?<br />
The medically official accepted cause of puerperal fever in early 19th c Europe.<br />
Whoops.<br />
Lack of perspective caused that.<br />
But we struggle on don&#8217;t we?<br />
Wrong about some stuff, right about other stuff.<br />
How come no one ever talks about Velikovsky, speaking of voices crying in the non-positivist wilderness?<br />
Velikovsky said Earth getting smacked by sizable celestial bodies was a major contributing factor to how things are. Dinosaurs gone missing,<br />
continents shifting, mountains lifting&#8230;<br />
Scorn, ridicule, ignominy.<br />
The sneering babble of self-righteous professionals confirming each other&#8217;s ignorance.<br />
Craters abounding, many of them not readily apparent, some of them huge.<br />
Velikovsky was right, and so was Ignatz Semmelweiss, early discoverer and pioneer of medical hygiene practices.<br />
Highly respected contemporary experts sneered at both of them in their respective days emphatically, confidently, often.<br />
To the point Semmelweiss basically lost his mind and died in the gutter.<br />
Velikovsky I&#8217;m not sure what happened to, maybe because he was Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: herr doktor bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>herr doktor bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My book about morphic assonance is ging ti kick iss in yir bik.&lt;/i&gt;
Righteous Buddha has too many morphic consonants.

&lt;i&gt;morphic dissonance [...] making it harder to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first&lt;/i&gt;
It occurs to me now that &lt;i&gt;according to this same effect&lt;/i&gt;, by covering similar ground, publications like the &lt;i&gt;Annals of Improbable Results&lt;/i&gt;* have made it more difficult for me to write the promised book about the effect. My inability to get around to writing a coherent paragraph in fact demonstrates the reality of morphic dissonance. It has nothing to do with my normal state of indolence.

* Or for older readers, the &lt;i&gt;Journal of Irreproducible Results&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>My book about morphic assonance is ging ti kick iss in yir bik.</i><br />
Righteous Buddha has too many morphic consonants.</p>

	<p><i>morphic dissonance [...] making it harder to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first</i><br />
It occurs to me now that <i>according to this same effect</i>, by covering similar ground, publications like the <i>Annals of Improbable Results</i>* have made it more difficult for me to write the promised book about the effect. My inability to get around to writing a coherent paragraph in fact demonstrates the reality of morphic dissonance. It has nothing to do with my normal state of indolence.</p>

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		<li>Or for older readers, the <i>Journal of Irreproducible Results</i>.</li>
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		<title>By: Matt McIrvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt McIrvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My point isn’t that quantum theory provides the technology, but that contemporary theoretical physics provides an openness that consensus reality, based on subjective observation, lacks.&lt;/i&gt;

This actually strikes me as backwards.  Of the nonscientists I know, who aren&#039;t trained in contemporary theoretical physics but are perfectly functional in the commonsense everyday world, a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of them believe in telepathy, precognition, etc.  on the basis of their subjective observations.  They believe they&#039;ve got it to some extent; they&#039;ve had various experiences which strike them as inexplicable unless some kind of unusual psychic influence is happening.  It&#039;s the people who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; scientifically trained who are more likely to discount those experiences as coincidence or self-delusion and generally disbelieve in this stuff, whether or not they come by that disbelief fairly.

(Granted, it&#039;s not an airtight association; in the Seventies it seems like there was a wave of physicists believing in the powers of famous psychics, and Randi became famous in part for saying, probably correctly, that he was better at seeing through simple stage-magic ruses than they were.  But this isn&#039;t so common today.)

Now one thing that&#039;s happened is that, starting around the Seventies, there&#039;s been this little industry devoted to writing books that say modern physics makes this or that paranormal claim more plausible, on grounds that are usually sort of metaphorical and aesthetic: space-time is dynamic, we don&#039;t know how it works on a fundamental level, quantum correlations are nonlocal and spooky, etc.

But you could do this general type of thing at any stage in the development of physics.  Newtonian mechanics includes a cosmic influence of every particle of matter on every other particle, which propagates at infinite speed across universal distances without benefit of any palpable medium and can penetrate any solid substance; how much simpler to carry a thought at infinite speed from one brain to another!  Maxwellian electrodynamics, with its invisible Hertzian waves pervading space?  I don&#039;t even need to make that one up: late 19th- and early 20th-century spiritualists were very big on magnetism and aetheric vibrations.  I&#039;d be suspicious of claims that recent physics is radically different in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>My point isn&#8217;t that quantum theory provides the technology, but that contemporary theoretical physics provides an openness that consensus reality, based on subjective observation, lacks.</i></p>

	<p>This actually strikes me as backwards.  Of the nonscientists I know, who aren&#8217;t trained in contemporary theoretical physics but are perfectly functional in the commonsense everyday world, a <i>lot</i> of them believe in telepathy, precognition, etc.  on the basis of their subjective observations.  They believe they&#8217;ve got it to some extent; they&#8217;ve had various experiences which strike them as inexplicable unless some kind of unusual psychic influence is happening.  It&#8217;s the people who <i>are</i> scientifically trained who are more likely to discount those experiences as coincidence or self-delusion and generally disbelieve in this stuff, whether or not they come by that disbelief fairly.</p>

	<p>(Granted, it&#8217;s not an airtight association; in the Seventies it seems like there was a wave of physicists believing in the powers of famous psychics, and Randi became famous in part for saying, probably correctly, that he was better at seeing through simple stage-magic ruses than they were.  But this isn&#8217;t so common today.)</p>

	<p>Now one thing that&#8217;s happened is that, starting around the Seventies, there&#8217;s been this little industry devoted to writing books that say modern physics makes this or that paranormal claim more plausible, on grounds that are usually sort of metaphorical and aesthetic: space-time is dynamic, we don&#8217;t know how it works on a fundamental level, quantum correlations are nonlocal and spooky, etc.</p>

	<p>But you could do this general type of thing at any stage in the development of physics.  Newtonian mechanics includes a cosmic influence of every particle of matter on every other particle, which propagates at infinite speed across universal distances without benefit of any palpable medium and can penetrate any solid substance; how much simpler to carry a thought at infinite speed from one brain to another!  Maxwellian electrodynamics, with its invisible Hertzian waves pervading space?  I don&#8217;t even need to make that one up: late 19th- and early 20th-century spiritualists were very big on magnetism and aetheric vibrations.  I&#8217;d be suspicious of claims that recent physics is radically different in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of these days I plan to write a book about morphic dissonance, which is the opposite phenomenon, making it harder to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first.&lt;/i&gt;

My book about morphic assonance is ging ti kick iss in yir bik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>One of these days I plan to write a book about morphic dissonance, which is the opposite phenomenon, making it harder to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first.</i></p>

	<p>My book about morphic assonance is ging ti kick iss in yir bik.</p>
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		<title>By: herr doktor bimler</title>
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		<dc:creator>herr doktor bimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, wait, let&#039;s go back to Sheldrake.  He reckons he has found strong evidence for the phenomenon of morphic resonance, right? Does this mean that it&#039;s now easier for other researchers to also demonstrate that morphic resonance is real?

One of these days I plan to write a book about morphic dissonance, which is the opposite phenomenon, making it &lt;i&gt;harder&lt;/i&gt; to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first.  Look at all the scientific observations that no-one was able to replicate. N-rays, polywater, the planet Vulcan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wait, wait, let&#8217;s go back to Sheldrake.  He reckons he has found strong evidence for the phenomenon of morphic resonance, right? Does this mean that it&#8217;s now easier for other researchers to also demonstrate that morphic resonance is real?</p>

	<p>One of these days I plan to write a book about morphic dissonance, which is the opposite phenomenon, making it <i>harder</i> to perform certain activities once someone else has performed them first.  Look at all the scientific observations that no-one was able to replicate. N-rays, polywater, the planet Vulcan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt it when you wrote that, but had to confirm it by actual reading, I&#039;ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by the cynically pragmatic dominant paradigm mindset. 
Plus coffee, which I had two cups of,  of instant, on four+  hours sleep, seems to negatively impact the functionality of the internal antennae. 
While green tea, which I intend to return to the regular use of, seems to augment it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I felt it when you wrote that, but had to confirm it by actual reading, I&#8217;ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by the cynically pragmatic dominant paradigm mindset.<br />
Plus coffee, which I had two cups of,  of instant, on four+  hours sleep, seems to negatively impact the functionality of the internal antennae.<br />
While green tea, which I intend to return to the regular use of, seems to augment it.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You could read that too, sort of as if you were Dave.&lt;/i&gt;

Let me read his mind and I will respond, as Dave, when I am successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You could read that too, sort of as if you were Dave.</i></p>

	<p>Let me read his mind and I will respond, as Dave, when I am successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fractious Bubba:
You could read that too, sort of as if you were Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fractious Bubba:<br />
You could read that too, sort of as if you were Dave.</p>
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