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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/06/yesterday-on-ct-tomorrow-in-government-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-249280</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Update: Despite the implication given by the title of this post, the Conservative Party are not currently the government.&lt;/i&gt;

Could have fooled me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Update: Despite the implication given by the title of this post, the Conservative Party are not currently the government.</i></p>

	<p>Could have fooled me.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The report says there are up 12 million people holding down jobs with literacy skills at the level expected of children leaving primary school.”&lt;/i&gt;

That doesn&#039;t sound that bad, really. It&#039;s not like they are completely illiterate - they just have difficulty with complex text. And, obviously, there are 12 million jobs out there which only require the literacy of a 12-year-old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The report says there are up 12 million people holding down jobs with literacy skills at the level expected of children leaving primary school.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>That doesn&#8217;t sound that bad, really. It&#8217;s not like they are completely illiterate &#8211; they just have difficulty with complex text. And, obviously, there are 12 million jobs out there which only require the literacy of a 12-year-old.</p>
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		<title>By: deliasmith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/06/yesterday-on-ct-tomorrow-in-government-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-248689</link>
		<dc:creator>deliasmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reading and that:

Straw men erected, paraded and demolished in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/aug/05/teaching.education&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;i&gt; The Guardian&lt;/i&gt; – a response by a bloke off of the telly to&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niace.org.uk/news/Archives/Jul08.htm#read&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; these mild observations &lt;/a&gt; by someone who works in the field.

And here’s an interesting titbit from a survey published last year, to virtually complete ignoral:
&lt;b&gt;Mother tongue, by Government Office region&lt;/b&gt;
UK:	English  88%, Other 12%
London (Government Office Region)	English 60%, Other 40%

Note that London G.O. Region is all the metropolis, not just melting-pot inner city; and it was a big, professional survey – face-to-face interviews with  a weighted sample of 4,916 adults, aged 17 and over, in the UK in the period 7–25 February 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On reading and that:</p>

	<p>Straw men erected, paraded and demolished in <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/aug/05/teaching.education" rel="nofollow">this article</a> in <i> The Guardian</i> &#8211; a response by a bloke off of the telly to<a href="http://www.niace.org.uk/news/Archives/Jul08.htm#read" rel="nofollow"> these mild observations </a> by someone who works in the field.</p>

	<p>And here&#8217;s an interesting titbit from a survey published last year, to virtually complete ignoral:<br />
<b>Mother tongue, by Government Office region</b><br />
UK:English  88%, Other 12%<br />
London (Government Office Region)English 60%, Other 40%</p>

	<p>Note that London G.O. Region is all the metropolis, not just melting-pot inner city; and it was a big, professional survey &#8211; face-to-face interviews with  a weighted sample of 4,916 adults, aged 17 and over, in the UK in the period 7&#8211;25 February 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gove gives me the snake feeling; alien, uncannily dangerous, probably best to hit it with a shovel without further discussion. That bastard will get us into the next war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gove gives me the snake feeling; alien, uncannily dangerous, probably best to hit it with a shovel without further discussion. That bastard will get us into the next war.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10: And? Since when was I supposed to say something that &quot;helps&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@10: And? Since when was I supposed to say something that &#8220;helps&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/06/yesterday-on-ct-tomorrow-in-government-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-248641</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I seem to remember the Sun aiming for a reading age of 9&quot;

Contrary to malicious rumour, Sun readers are not stoopid. I was in a longish superstore checkout queue the other day during the evening rush hour. The guy ahead of me had a copy of the Sun in his shopping pile on the checkout conveyor. Evidently bored with the waiting, he started to read the newspaper. By the time he got to the head of the queue he had read it so he pushed it aside and didn&#039;t check it out with the rest of his shopping. Smart guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I seem to remember the Sun aiming for a reading age of 9&#8221;</p>

	<p>Contrary to malicious rumour, Sun readers are not stoopid. I was in a longish superstore checkout queue the other day during the evening rush hour. The guy ahead of me had a copy of the Sun in his shopping pile on the checkout conveyor. Evidently bored with the waiting, he started to read the newspaper. By the time he got to the head of the queue he had read it so he pushed it aside and didn&#8217;t check it out with the rest of his shopping. Smart guy.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody hell, (functional) illiteracy is a huge worldwide social problem and I have a feeling that being all condescending about it, calling those affected morons and thugs or invoking Oswald Spengler isn&#039;t going to help much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bloody hell, (functional) illiteracy is a huge worldwide social problem and I have a feeling that being all condescending about it, calling those affected morons and thugs or invoking Oswald Spengler isn&#8217;t going to help much.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only the thought that sub-literate thugs might be the only ones to survive the end of civilisation as we know it prevents me from looking forward to it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Only the thought that sub-literate thugs might be the only ones to survive the end of civilisation as we know it prevents me from looking forward to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Up to 12 million working UK adults have the literacy skills expected of a primary school child, the Public Accounts Committee says.&lt;/i&gt;

I seem to remember the Sun aiming for a reading age of 9 and doubt that Nuts or Zoo are significantly more grammatically convoluted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Up to 12 million working UK adults have the literacy skills expected of a primary school child, the Public Accounts Committee says.</i></p>

	<p>I seem to remember the Sun aiming for a reading age of 9 and doubt that Nuts or Zoo are significantly more grammatically convoluted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s the thing I notice as an American living the UK: British morons read things (Nuts, Zoo, the Sun, etc etc etc). American morons don’t, ever. Even on a half-hour commute on the train. Ever.&quot;

Sadly, the praise here is appreciated but is probably undeserved:

&quot;Up to 12 million working UK adults have the literacy skills expected of a primary school child, the Public Accounts Committee says. . . The report says there are up 12 million people holding down jobs with literacy skills and up to 16 million with numeracy skills at the level expected of children leaving primary school.&quot; 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4642396.stm

&quot;A £2bn scheme to improve basic skills among adults has been called a &#039;depressing failure&#039; by education inspectors.&quot;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4506410.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s the thing I notice as an American living the UK: British morons read things (Nuts, Zoo, the Sun, etc etc etc). American morons don&#8217;t, ever. Even on a half-hour commute on the train. Ever.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Sadly, the praise here is appreciated but is probably undeserved:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Up to 12 million working UK adults have the literacy skills expected of a primary school child, the Public Accounts Committee says. . . The report says there are up 12 million people holding down jobs with literacy skills and up to 16 million with numeracy skills at the level expected of children leaving primary school.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4642396.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4642396.stm</a></p>

	<p>&#8220;A &#163;2bn scheme to improve basic skills among adults has been called a &#8216;depressing failure&#8217; by education inspectors.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4506410.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4506410.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The subsidised maternity nurse could be incredibly useful for some – lone mothers for example – and yet I somehow don’t see the Tory Party throwing money in their direction&lt;/i&gt;

In fairness, in that particular speech Gove pretty much did say that this was the plan; I share your scepticism as to whether it&#039;s remotely likely to actually happen (and reserve judgement on Gove&#039;s sincerity - he frankly sets off my PLF-radar like nothing on earth, but it&#039;s at least possible that he has convinced himself that Cameron-era conservatism is not inconsistent with European-style social policy).  If it turns out that these nurses actually get paid for, we&#039;ll both owe him an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The subsidised maternity nurse could be incredibly useful for some &#8211; lone mothers for example &#8211; and yet I somehow don&#8217;t see the Tory Party throwing money in their direction</i></p>

	<p>In fairness, in that particular speech Gove pretty much did say that this was the plan; I share your scepticism as to whether it&#8217;s remotely likely to actually happen (and reserve judgement on Gove&#8217;s sincerity &#8211; he frankly sets off my <span class="caps">PLF</span>-radar like nothing on earth, but it&#8217;s at least possible that he has convinced himself that Cameron-era conservatism is not inconsistent with European-style social policy).  If it turns out that these nurses actually get paid for, we&#8217;ll both owe him an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about the subsidised maternity nurses is really starting to get my goat.  What is really needed is more and better funding of maternity services, more midwives and more funding for health visitors so they can go back to daily visits in the first 10 days (midwives), and so the local clinics don&#039;t have to ask you to contribute £1 to the orange squash fund when you go to the first-time-mums classes (no, really, they did).

The subsidised maternity nurse could be incredibly useful for some - lone mothers for example - and yet I somehow don&#039;t see the Tory Party throwing money in their direction.  Some cretin would be bound to complain that this was encouraging teenage degenerates to get pregnant.  And people like me, with lots of support and a particuar parenting philosophy that I want to follow, quite frankly don&#039;t need or want a stranger coming along and telling me what to do.

This plan of theirs sounds ever-so-lovely, but dig beneath the surface and it&#039;s bollocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thing about the subsidised maternity nurses is really starting to get my goat.  What is really needed is more and better funding of maternity services, more midwives and more funding for health visitors so they can go back to daily visits in the first 10 days (midwives), and so the local clinics don&#8217;t have to ask you to contribute &#163;1 to the orange squash fund when you go to the first-time-mums classes (no, really, they did).</p>

	<p>The subsidised maternity nurse could be incredibly useful for some &#8211; lone mothers for example &#8211; and yet I somehow don&#8217;t see the Tory Party throwing money in their direction.  Some cretin would be bound to complain that this was encouraging teenage degenerates to get pregnant.  And people like me, with lots of support and a particuar parenting philosophy that I want to follow, quite frankly don&#8217;t need or want a stranger coming along and telling me what to do.</p>

	<p>This plan of theirs sounds ever-so-lovely, but dig beneath the surface and it&#8217;s bollocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The existence of the intertubes certainly makes one wonder why *anyone* would pay the cover-price for soft porn... Maybe, as they say, it is only for the articles...

Point taken about US morons, but it&#039;s less the direct readership than the wider cultural tolerance for overt public cheesy t&amp;a drivel I was reflecting on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The existence of the intertubes certainly makes one wonder why <strong>anyone</strong> would pay the cover-price for soft porn&#8230; Maybe, as they say, it is only for the articles&#8230;</p>

	<p>Point taken about US morons, but it&#8217;s less the direct readership than the wider cultural tolerance for overt public cheesy t&#038;a drivel I was reflecting on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it all a bit irrelevant given the existence of The Interweb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Isn&#8217;t it all a bit irrelevant given the existence of The Interweb?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Have you spent much time in the USA?

Here&#039;s the thing I notice as an American living the UK: British morons read things (Nuts, Zoo, the Sun, etc etc etc). American morons don&#039;t, ever. Even on a half-hour commute on the train. Ever.

Though it&#039;s certainly debatable, I think this puts Britain one step further away from the collapse into animalism that conservative commentators have been faithfully and incorrectly predicting for time immemorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave &#8211;<br />
Have you spent much time in the <span class="caps">USA</span>?</p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s the thing I notice as an American living the UK: British morons read things (Nuts, Zoo, the Sun, etc etc etc). American morons don&#8217;t, ever. Even on a half-hour commute on the train. Ever.</p>

	<p>Though it&#8217;s certainly debatable, I think this puts Britain one step further away from the collapse into animalism that conservative commentators have been faithfully and incorrectly predicting for time immemorial.</p>
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