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		<title>By: roy belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251012</link>
		<dc:creator>roy belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bubba-O, it may be because they&#039;re being diminished in the wild to the point of bleak precipitousness, along with the great apes and the few remaining uncontacted humans; or it may be originating with me and my chronic lack of sleep, feeding my crankiness back through the invisible wire and receiving it amplified, keeping in mind it&#039;s more of an empathic as opposed to telepathic connect; or it may be because Amy Goodman was violently arrested in Minneapolis while defending two fellow journalists from Democracy Now! who had themselves been violently arrested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well Bubba-O, it may be because they&#8217;re being diminished in the wild to the point of bleak precipitousness, along with the great apes and the few remaining uncontacted humans; or it may be originating with me and my chronic lack of sleep, feeding my crankiness back through the invisible wire and receiving it amplified, keeping in mind it&#8217;s more of an empathic as opposed to telepathic connect; or it may be because Amy Goodman was violently arrested in Minneapolis while defending two fellow journalists from Democracy Now! who had themselves been violently arrested.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-251008</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A counter-factual

&quot;Because we obviously don’t want a President who can’t be held to account for any potential failings or weaknesses.&quot;

Actually, all the evidence is that a president who can&#039;t be held accountable is exactly what we crave.  

Look at the small things.  You yourself capitalize &quot;President&quot;, even when referring to the office in the abstract, and not as the title of a particular president, where accepted usage does capitalize, as in &quot;President Bush&quot;.  Why?

Look at the big things.  I have never heard anyone, even people who profess concern over an &quot;imperial presidency&quot;, express anything but admiration for the sign Harry Truman had on his desk while he was president, &quot;The Buck Stops Here.&quot;  This is a truly astonishing statement, if judged either by what our constitution says about the duties of the president to faithfully execute the will of Congress, or if judged more generally by the minimum subordination to the law that would make the president even a constitutional monarch (forget chief magistrate of a republic!), rather than an elected dictator.  But we will brook no second-guessing of the president, no constraints on him by any other force in our political universe, no stoppage of the buck anywhere but on his (His?) desk.  It&#039;s all well and good for Justice Coke to have told James II in 1688 that he was beneath God and the Law.  James II was just the King of England.  But if he had tried that in 2008 with the US President, by God, we&#039;ld have sent him to Guantanamo for hating America so much as to question our Sovereign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A counter-factual</p>

	<p>&#8220;Because we obviously don&#8217;t want a President who can&#8217;t be held to account for any potential failings or weaknesses.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Actually, all the evidence is that a president who can&#8217;t be held accountable is exactly what we crave.</p>

	<p>Look at the small things.  You yourself capitalize &#8220;President&#8221;, even when referring to the office in the abstract, and not as the title of a particular president, where accepted usage does capitalize, as in &#8220;President Bush&#8221;.  Why?</p>

	<p>Look at the big things.  I have never heard anyone, even people who profess concern over an &#8220;imperial presidency&#8221;, express anything but admiration for the sign Harry Truman had on his desk while he was president, &#8220;The Buck Stops Here.&#8221;  This is a truly astonishing statement, if judged either by what our constitution says about the duties of the president to faithfully execute the will of Congress, or if judged more generally by the minimum subordination to the law that would make the president even a constitutional monarch (forget chief magistrate of a republic!), rather than an elected dictator.  But we will brook no second-guessing of the president, no constraints on him by any other force in our political universe, no stoppage of the buck anywhere but on his (His?) desk.  It&#8217;s all well and good for Justice Coke to have told James II in 1688 that he was beneath God and the Law.  James II was just the King of England.  But if he had tried that in 2008 with the <span class="caps">US </span>President, by God, we&#8217;ld have sent him to Guantanamo for hating America so much as to question our Sovereign.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250945</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Roy, when the parrots get in a crappy mood so do you.  Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh Roy, when the parrots get in a crappy mood so do you.  Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250944</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to humbly suggest a netologism, except I&#039;m not feeling all that humble right now. 
&quot;House troll&quot;. 
A kind of semi-benign and sometimes amusing trollish commentator operating within house rules, such as they may be, often or sometimes mostly in defense of the home team.
As opposed to garden-variety omni-antagonistic trolls.
Not to point specifically to or at any specific commentator.
Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would like to humbly suggest a netologism, except I&#8217;m not feeling all that humble right now.<br />
&#8220;House troll&#8221;.<br />
A kind of semi-benign and sometimes amusing trollish commentator operating within house rules, such as they may be, often or sometimes mostly in defense of the home team.<br />
As opposed to garden-variety omni-antagonistic trolls.<br />
Not to point specifically to or at any specific commentator.<br />
Ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250925</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He should be ready to announce that his mental problems are cured.&lt;/i&gt;

Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>He should be ready to announce that his mental problems are cured.</i></p>

	<p>Ha.</p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250922</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said that already, I&#039;m not certain he hasn&#039;t had therapy.

If he has had extensive therapy it ought to be widely known. He should be ready to announce that his mental problems are cured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I said that already, I&#8217;m not certain he hasn&#8217;t had therapy.</p>

	<p>If he has had extensive therapy it ought to be widely known. He should be ready to announce that his mental problems are cured.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250917</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know that he hasn&#039;t had therapy?</description>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250916</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he might wind up the US president, in charge of the  nukes.

So it&#039;s important that he get therapy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Because he might wind up the US president, in charge of the  nukes.</p>

	<p>So it&#8217;s important that he get therapy.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250904</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OK, I was looking for a way to point out that McCain truly needs therapy without being too insulting to him.&lt;/i&gt;

Why not just accept that he&#039;s a stupid asshole you don&#039;t like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>OK, I was looking for a way to point out that McCain truly needs therapy without being too insulting to him.</i></p>

	<p>Why not just accept that he&#8217;s a stupid asshole you don&#8217;t like?</p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250903</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;See, because if it’s to McCain’s credit, then it’s to the other vets’ discredit.
And we don’t want to be saying that, do we?&lt;/i&gt;

OK, I was looking for a way to point out that McCain truly needs therapy without being too insulting to him. 

McCain really did serve as a vietnamese POW. He says he really did get tortured. It had to be as bad for PTSD as a year or two in the infantry. Not like being Donald Trump. Of course, it&#039;s possible McCain did get the treatment he needed and I didn&#039;t hear about it. Perhaps after treatment he developed a reputation as a well-balanced sane human and I didn&#039;t hear about that.

Some of his fellow POWs say that he cooperated with the north vietnamese and that&#039;s why he got special treatment and the offer to go home early, not because his father was a top admiral. They say the reason he was kept separate from the other POWs was that the vietnamese needed to protect him from them. But they weren&#039;t really in a position to know such things. False rumors get started in POW camps, often about anybody who&#039;s unpopular. 

It wouldn&#039;t work to try to swiftboat him about it. The people who think a man&#039;s honor should keep him from breaking under torture are the sort who were really mad at Kerry for coming out against the war, for working for the enemy. McCain swears he was true to the flag and that&#039;s good enough for them. Similarly if the north vietnamese records have something interesting -- who are you going to believe, John McCain or a bunch of north vietnamese?

Apart from such things, though, there&#039;s a chance McCain will be the US president. So it&#039;s vitally important that he get therapy. This is likely not to be a workable campaign issue either, because the sort of people who&#039;d vote for McCain don&#039;t believe in therapy. But it&#039;s important for the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>See, because if it&#8217;s to McCain&#8217;s credit, then it&#8217;s to the other vets&#8217; discredit.<br />
And we don&#8217;t want to be saying that, do we?</i></p>

	<p>OK, I was looking for a way to point out that McCain truly needs therapy without being too insulting to him.</p>

	<p>McCain really did serve as a vietnamese <span class="caps">POW</span>. He says he really did get tortured. It had to be as bad for <span class="caps">PTSD</span> as a year or two in the infantry. Not like being Donald Trump. Of course, it&#8217;s possible McCain did get the treatment he needed and I didn&#8217;t hear about it. Perhaps after treatment he developed a reputation as a well-balanced sane human and I didn&#8217;t hear about that.</p>

	<p>Some of his fellow POWs say that he cooperated with the north vietnamese and that&#8217;s why he got special treatment and the offer to go home early, not because his father was a top admiral. They say the reason he was kept separate from the other POWs was that the vietnamese needed to protect him from them. But they weren&#8217;t really in a position to know such things. False rumors get started in <span class="caps">POW</span> camps, often about anybody who&#8217;s unpopular.</p>

	<p>It wouldn&#8217;t work to try to swiftboat him about it. The people who think a man&#8217;s honor should keep him from breaking under torture are the sort who were really mad at Kerry for coming out against the war, for working for the enemy. McCain swears he was true to the flag and that&#8217;s good enough for them. Similarly if the north vietnamese records have something interesting&#8212;who are you going to believe, John McCain or a bunch of north vietnamese?</p>

	<p>Apart from such things, though, there&#8217;s a chance McCain will be the US president. So it&#8217;s vitally important that he get therapy. This is likely not to be a workable campaign issue either, because the sort of people who&#8217;d vote for McCain don&#8217;t believe in therapy. But it&#8217;s important for the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250901</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JThomas:
&lt;i&gt;McCain did a lot better than the various vietnam vets who wound up divorced and homeless. That’s to his credit. &lt;/i&gt;
This is an astonishing thing to say.
 Possibly you are young, and a little naive?
Inexperienced?

Donald Trump did a lot better than my dad, who was a teacher his whole life.
Any clearer?

People in upscale parts of Biloxi did a lot better than people in the lower 9th Ward when Katrina hit.

See, because if it&#039;s to McCain&#039;s credit, then it&#039;s to the other vets&#039; &lt;i&gt;dis&lt;/i&gt;credit.
 And we don&#039;t want to be saying that, do we? 
Or listening to it.
Because it is a lame thought, and woefully untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JThomas:<br />
<i>McCain did a lot better than the various vietnam vets who wound up divorced and homeless. That&#8217;s to his credit. </i><br />
This is an astonishing thing to say.<br />
Possibly you are young, and a little naive?<br />
Inexperienced?</p>

	<p>Donald Trump did a lot better than my dad, who was a teacher his whole life.<br />
Any clearer?</p>

	<p>People in upscale parts of Biloxi did a lot better than people in the lower 9th Ward when Katrina hit.</p>

	<p>See, because if it&#8217;s to McCain&#8217;s credit, then it&#8217;s to the other vets&#8217; <i>dis</i>credit.<br />
And we don&#8217;t want to be saying that, do we?<br />
Or listening to it.<br />
Because it is a lame thought, and woefully untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacque Denise Yap</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/08/29/looking-forward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-250760</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacque Denise Yap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i cant tell whom to vote for at this early , but i am leaning towards obama. Furthermore, the GOP base is not even warming up to mccain (of course, i could be wrong) and even though it&#039;s still early in the game, this just proves to show how we see our candidates to-date. i know i will get burned for this, but i think mccain is a warmonger. i get the impression that he doesn&#039;t care to what happens to our troops in the middle east and the other parts of the world. Can’t we just all get along? i think it is time for a purification; i think it is time for a change; i think it is time for obama time. Now that the candidates are set for the US Presidential Election, Barack Obama and John McCain are beginning to set the tone for their campaign.Joe Biden has now been officially introduced as Barack Obama&#039;s Vice Presidential selection. i just saw this video in pollclash but you can see the video in &lt;a&gt;http://pollclash.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>well i cant tell whom to vote for at this early , but i am leaning towards obama. Furthermore, the <span class="caps">GOP</span> base is not even warming up to mccain (of course, i could be wrong) and even though it&#8217;s still early in the game, this just proves to show how we see our candidates to-date. i know i will get burned for this, but i think mccain is a warmonger. i get the impression that he doesn&#8217;t care to what happens to our troops in the middle east and the other parts of the world. Can&#8217;t we just all get along? i think it is time for a purification; i think it is time for a change; i think it is time for obama time. Now that the candidates are set for the <span class="caps">US </span>Presidential Election, Barack Obama and John McCain are beginning to set the tone for their campaign.Joe Biden has now been officially introduced as Barack Obama&#8217;s Vice Presidential selection. i just saw this video in pollclash but you can see the video in <a>http://pollclash.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgil, I can see how you&#039;d want to avoid the unpalatable issue. But consider how many of our current soldiers are getting PTSD issues from just a couple of years of combat. McCain was tortured by the north vietnamese for 5 years. Of course he had PTSD, and the fact that we weren&#039;t diagnosing it in those days and he got no treatment is unfortunate.

McCain did a lot better than the various vietnam vets who wound up divorced and homeless. That&#039;s to his credit. But he needs therapy.

I agree that Bill Clinton also needed therapy without being in warfare, but that&#039;s a different issue. We mostly lucked out with Clinton and he isn&#039;t running for President at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Virgil, I can see how you&#8217;d want to avoid the unpalatable issue. But consider how many of our current soldiers are getting <span class="caps">PTSD</span> issues from just a couple of years of combat. McCain was tortured by the north vietnamese for 5 years. Of course he had <span class="caps">PTSD</span>, and the fact that we weren&#8217;t diagnosing it in those days and he got no treatment is unfortunate.</p>

	<p>McCain did a lot better than the various vietnam vets who wound up divorced and homeless. That&#8217;s to his credit. But he needs therapy.</p>

	<p>I agree that Bill Clinton also needed therapy without being in warfare, but that&#8217;s a different issue. We mostly lucked out with Clinton and he isn&#8217;t running for President at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>virgil -- come on, you think we were all Clintonites? The problem with Clinton was that his anger management issues were low on his list of vices. Sure, it was a problem, and one of several reasons that he was a lousy president (worse, in my opinion, than his predecessor, though, obviously,  his successor is unsurpassable). The issue here is the unstable way that McCain&#039;s defenders use his time in jail as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Either it was good for his character, in which case it is no defence at all against his (numerous) flaws, or it was not in which case it is at best irrelevant and should not be raised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>virgil&#8212;come on, you think we were all Clintonites? The problem with Clinton was that his anger management issues were low on his list of vices. Sure, it was a problem, and one of several reasons that he was a lousy president (worse, in my opinion, than his predecessor, though, obviously,  his successor is unsurpassable). The issue here is the unstable way that McCain&#8217;s defenders use his time in jail as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Either it was good for his character, in which case it is no defence at all against his (numerous) flaws, or it was not in which case it is at best irrelevant and should not be raised.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Thomas:

Not only has McCain never been diagnosed with PTSD, his subsequent post-POW career in  the Navy easily belies the fact.  Anger management issues? What about the well publicized tirades of Bill Clinton? None of you lefties seemed to worry about the itchy trigger finger syndrome then, did you? Go ahead, hit Lexis-Nexus and view the &quot;countless&quot; articles which voiced such concerns alongside each mention of Clinton&#039;s volcanic temper. In the words of Daffy Duck: &quot;It is to laugh!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>J Thomas:</p>

	<p>Not only has McCain never been diagnosed with <span class="caps">PTSD</span>, his subsequent post-POW career in  the Navy easily belies the fact.  Anger management issues? What about the well publicized tirades of Bill Clinton? None of you lefties seemed to worry about the itchy trigger finger syndrome then, did you? Go ahead, hit Lexis-Nexus and view the &#8220;countless&#8221; articles which voiced such concerns alongside each mention of Clinton&#8217;s volcanic temper. In the words of Daffy Duck: &#8220;It is to laugh!&#8221; </p>
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