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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251644</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why can’t we humbly ask them how to run an economy?&lt;/i&gt;

If foreigners had asked us how to run an economy in the 1950&#039;s or 1960&#039;s we would have told them things like &#039;Invest in R&amp;D&#039; and &#039;Do free trade&#039;. We would not have told them &#039;Find oil inside your borders and pump it as fast as you can&#039;.

They probably don&#039;t know why what they&#039;re doing is working at the moment than we did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Why can&#8217;t we humbly ask them how to run an economy?</i></p>

	<p>If foreigners had asked us how to run an economy in the 1950&#8217;s or 1960&#8217;s we would have told them things like &#8216;Invest in R&#038;D&#8217; and &#8216;Do free trade&#8217;. We would not have told them &#8216;Find oil inside your borders and pump it as fast as you can&#8217;.</p>

	<p>They probably don&#8217;t know why what they&#8217;re doing is working at the moment than we did.</p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251583</link>
		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t ask us because our successful economies have the intolerable feature of having a smaller percentage of all the wealth in the hands of the wealthiest 0.1%. And the wealthiest 0.1% of your country will not allow that to happen there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can&#8217;t ask us because our successful economies have the intolerable feature of having a smaller percentage of all the wealth in the hands of the wealthiest 0.1%. And the wealthiest 0.1% of your country will not allow that to happen there.</p>
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		<title>By: scared sh*%less</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251569</link>
		<dc:creator>scared sh*%less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a comment from a simpleton on these matters: Western European countries (not in every case, but in a good number of cases) and Canada embrace a form of capitalism that demonstrably works.  Why can&#039;t we humbly ask them how to run an economy?

The problems such forms have seem (to me at least) derived from the fact that they&#039;re plugged into the same global free market as that of the U.S. And since the latter is much more de-regulated and un-policed than the former, they have to compete with dirty crooks like us, and are thereby forced to lower their standards.

Since I&#039;m pretty uninformed, I would appreciate some of you to point out where I&#039;m wrong.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s a comment from a simpleton on these matters: Western European countries (not in every case, but in a good number of cases) and Canada embrace a form of capitalism that demonstrably works.  Why can&#8217;t we humbly ask them how to run an economy?</p>

	<p>The problems such forms have seem (to me at least) derived from the fact that they&#8217;re plugged into the same global free market as that of the U.S. And since the latter is much more de-regulated and un-policed than the former, they have to compete with dirty crooks like us, and are thereby forced to lower their standards.</p>

	<p>Since I&#8217;m pretty uninformed, I would appreciate some of you to point out where I&#8217;m wrong.</p>

	<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: floopmeister</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251560</link>
		<dc:creator>floopmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is how the left advances...&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, with our Birkenstocks in lockstep and our unwashed tresses flying.

Honestly, you&#039;re just like a doctrinaire Marxist - &quot;Marxism hasn&#039;t failed because it&#039;s never been tried properly yet!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This is how the left advances&#8230;</i></p>

	<p>Yep, with our Birkenstocks in lockstep and our unwashed tresses flying.</p>

	<p>Honestly, you&#8217;re just like a doctrinaire Marxist &#8211; &#8220;Marxism hasn&#8217;t failed because it&#8217;s never been tried properly yet!&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251556</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;    This is how the left advances&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;    1. Create a moral hazard to “help people”.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;    2. Blame the market for the inevitable problems.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;    3. Use that to justify more of step one.&lt;/i&gt;

The Republican left has been in control for roughly 20 out of the last 30 years, not counting times they mostly controlled Congress but not the presidency. Too bad they didn&#039;t do anything to reduce your moral hazard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>    This is how the left advances</i></p>

	<p><i>    1. Create a moral hazard to &#8220;help people&#8221;.</i><br />
<i>    2. Blame the market for the inevitable problems.</i><br />
<i>    3. Use that to justify more of step one.</i></p>

	<p>The Republican left has been in control for roughly 20 out of the last 30 years, not counting times they mostly controlled Congress but not the presidency. Too bad they didn&#8217;t do anything to reduce your moral hazard.</p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251538</link>
		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remind me again what the advances are from the trickle down free market right, as many of their recent &quot;innovations&quot; seem to have made my memory as fuzzy as Pres. ... whatzizname who kept complaining about the bear market in the woods.

In the [less than] last year control over investment has shifted even more in to the hands of the few, the proud, the ... very folks those doing keep saying are the last one who should be doing it.  What do you call it when Government gets a larger direct control of investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Remind me again what the advances are from the trickle down free market right, as many of their recent &#8220;innovations&#8221; seem to have made my memory as fuzzy as Pres. &#8230; whatzizname who kept complaining about the bear market in the woods.</p>

	<p>In the [less than] last year control over investment has shifted even more in to the hands of the few, the proud, the &#8230; very folks those doing keep saying are the last one who should be doing it.  What do you call it when Government gets a larger direct control of investment?</p>
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		<title>By: newshutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>newshutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how the left advances

1. Create a moral hazard to &quot;help people&quot;.
2. Blame the market for the inevitable problems.
3. Use that to justify more of step one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is how the left advances</p>

	<p>1. Create a moral hazard to &#8220;help people&#8221;.<br />
2. Blame the market for the inevitable problems.<br />
3. Use that to justify more of step one.</p>
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		<title>By: floopmeister</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251482</link>
		<dc:creator>floopmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glenn 09.09.08 at 11:10 am 
&lt;i&gt;There’s no reason for them! What problem do they solve that the capital markets cannot?&lt;/i&gt;

Well they can protect big investors from their own mistakes by socialising the risks, obviously.

That&#039;s one great advantage over a free market.

The Scandinavian banking meltdown is instructive - they let the banks go down, and damn the investors. Instead, they protected the tax payers.

Funny how the democratic socialist countries let the market correction happen, while the country that trumpets it&#039;s free market credentials &lt;i&gt;ad nauseum&lt;/i&gt; makes, at the bitter end, the biggest market intervention in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>glenn 09.09.08 at 11:10 am<br />
<i>There&#8217;s no reason for them! What problem do they solve that the capital markets cannot?</i></p>

	<p>Well they can protect big investors from their own mistakes by socialising the risks, obviously.</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s one great advantage over a free market.</p>

	<p>The Scandinavian banking meltdown is instructive &#8211; they let the banks go down, and damn the investors. Instead, they protected the tax payers.</p>

	<p>Funny how the democratic socialist countries let the market correction happen, while the country that trumpets it&#8217;s free market credentials <i>ad nauseum</i> makes, at the bitter end, the biggest market intervention in history.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251479</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Kuttner&#039;s take: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/little-orphan-fannie_b_124841.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bob Kuttner&#8217;s take:<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/little-orphan-fannie_b_124841.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/little-orphan-fannie_b_124841.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colin Danby</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251451</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/business/10place.html?ref=business

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/lehman-to-announce-expected-results.html

Another dangling shoe drops.  Any thoughts on Citigroup?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/business/10place.html?ref=business" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/business/10place.html?ref=business</a></p>

	<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/lehman-to-announce-expected-results.html" rel="nofollow">http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/lehman-to-announce-expected-results.html</a></p>

	<p>Another dangling shoe drops.  Any thoughts on Citigroup?</p>
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		<title>By: gandhi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251450</link>
		<dc:creator>gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;why aren’t there human names attached to this.

I recommend another look at &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3peAYJSJSg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Bubble Man&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>why aren&#8217;t there human names attached to this.</p>

	<p>I recommend another look at &#8220;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3peAYJSJSg" rel="nofollow">The Bubble Man</a>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: shtove</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251449</link>
		<dc:creator>shtove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; what precisely would you have done if you were the President of the United States

Lifted the federal government&#039;s prohibition on the prosecution of mortgage lenders for fraud over the last few years. Not that difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> what precisely would you have done if you were the President of the United States</p>

	<p>Lifted the federal government&#8217;s prohibition on the prosecution of mortgage lenders for fraud over the last few years. Not that difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Danby</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251438</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the relevant term was &quot;also,&quot; not &quot;e.g.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>the relevant term was &#8220;also,&#8221; not &#8220;e.g.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/08/fannie-and-freddie/comment-page-2/#comment-251437</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simplified theoretical model of an ideal market with high elasticity works well on a computer. Also: killing monsters and having multiple lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Simplified theoretical model of an ideal market with high elasticity works well on a computer. Also: killing monsters and having multiple lives.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Colin, you understand it&#039;s not a market.  Good!  So what&#039;s you point using Libor as an example for a reliance on &quot;smoothly-functioning mkts and the price information generated thereby&quot;?  

Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So Colin, you understand it&#8217;s not a market.  Good!  So what&#8217;s you point using Libor as an example for a reliance on &#8220;smoothly-functioning mkts and the price information generated thereby&#8221;?</p>

	<p>Bye.</p>
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