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	<title>Comments on: The Mechanisms of Nixonland</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Harshaw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251750</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Harshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most obvious way the cultural elite, as embodied in elite universities and colleges, injures the rest of the population is through their children.  After all, for every person who becomes a Harvard graduate there are several who know the feel of rejection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The most obvious way the cultural elite, as embodied in elite universities and colleges, injures the rest of the population is through their children.  After all, for every person who becomes a Harvard graduate there are several who know the feel of rejection.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251670</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question or set of questions: 

Doesn&#039;t Nixonism (&quot;a structuring of electoral politics around a perceived set of cultural controversies between a purportedly arrogant liberal elite, and a purportedly salt-of-the-earth culturally conservative ‘mainstream’&quot;) exist within and operate as an extension of a longer lived theme of cultural resentment that stretches at the very least to Andrew Jackson and likely even further to the Revolutionary era? Perhaps it did not previously achieve a totality of tactical focus as it does now, but hasn&#039;t the elite vs. non elite (whether it as farmers vs. the monied interest during the Progressive/Populist era or rural versus urban during, well, all of American history) been with us for much longer than Nixon?  Or were those earlier threads  as much economic as cultural? If yes, then the particular reasons for the most recent outbreak of this crap will be like singular notes within a symphony: very interesting but ultimately only meaningful within the context of the structure itself. What is it about nascent American political culture that lead to this recurring political theme? 

As a side note, of perhaps some value is this selection from Hunter Thompson&#039;s obituary of Richard Nixon: 

&lt;i&gt;Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism--which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A question or set of questions:</p>

	<p>Doesn&#8217;t Nixonism (&#8220;a structuring of electoral politics around a perceived set of cultural controversies between a purportedly arrogant liberal elite, and a purportedly salt-of-the-earth culturally conservative &#8216;mainstream&#8217;&#8221;) exist within and operate as an extension of a longer lived theme of cultural resentment that stretches at the very least to Andrew Jackson and likely even further to the Revolutionary era? Perhaps it did not previously achieve a totality of tactical focus as it does now, but hasn&#8217;t the elite vs. non elite (whether it as farmers vs. the monied interest during the Progressive/Populist era or rural versus urban during, well, all of American history) been with us for much longer than Nixon?  Or were those earlier threads  as much economic as cultural? If yes, then the particular reasons for the most recent outbreak of this crap will be like singular notes within a symphony: very interesting but ultimately only meaningful within the context of the structure itself. What is it about nascent American political culture that lead to this recurring political theme?</p>

	<p>As a side note, of perhaps some value is this selection from Hunter Thompson&#8217;s obituary of Richard Nixon:</p>

	<p><i>Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism&#8212;which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Nur al-Cubicle</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251660</link>
		<dc:creator>Nur al-Cubicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nixonland =&gt; Building a bridge to 1858.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nixonland => Building a bridge to 1858.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251659</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, are you posting the audio or just the transcript of this fascinating-sounding panel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry, are you posting the audio or just the transcript of this fascinating-sounding panel?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251646</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. I&#039;m always saying..   

&quot; When Polly&#039;s in trouble, I am not slow,
    So it&#039;s hip! hip! hip! and away I go&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amazing. I&#8217;m always saying..</p>

	<p>&#8221; When Polly&#8217;s in trouble, I am not slow,<br />
So it&#8217;s hip! hip! hip! and away I go&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/10/the-mechanisms-of-nixonland/comment-page-2/#comment-251643</link>
		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Western Democrats and what is their brand? What is the identity? Who is their mythic leader of stature??&quot;

&lt;i&gt;    When criminals in this world appear,
    And break the laws that they should fear,
    And frighten all who see or hear,
    The cry goes up both far and near for
    Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!&lt;/i&gt;

If only...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Western Democrats and what is their brand? What is the identity? Who is their mythic leader of stature??&#8221;</p>

	<p><i>    When criminals in this world appear,<br />
And break the laws that they should fear,<br />
And frighten all who see or hear,<br />
The cry goes up both far and near for<br />
Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!</i></p>

	<p>If only&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major irony to the Nixonland ordering of discourse is that it converted Nixonland(California)  from Republican to Democrat.

I think the Nixonland ordering has persisted because both parties have benefited.  The R&#039;s had the short run gain of presidential victories and capturing the South.  The D&#039;s have steadily turned the non-southern urban areas uniformly democrat. 

The game is up congressionally for the R&#039;s and its nearly up for Republican presidential politics also.

We know how Nixonland will die, it will die from the Machete blow of Hispanic demographics.   Nixonland will have to shed some of its Nativist, Sexist and Racist tropes.  

What I find interesting is how ineffective Californian and Western Democrats have been in offering a national and presidential politics to change the terms of discourse.  In the House and Senate we have Pelosi and Reid  - Western Democrats and what is their brand?  What is the identity?  Who is their mythic leader of stature?

The national candidates Obama and Clinton seem to be a curious mix of diversity, fame and the traditional anti-Nixonland  union and identity politics.

What is the face of Authority in the democrat brand?  Putting the racism and class warfare aside, and concentrating on the America-First side of the equation, who or what for the democrats can fill the bad-ass role that the American masses  (as others before them) have wanted in a leader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The major irony to the Nixonland ordering of discourse is that it converted Nixonland(California)  from Republican to Democrat.</p>

	<p>I think the Nixonland ordering has persisted because both parties have benefited.  The R&#8217;s had the short run gain of presidential victories and capturing the South.  The D&#8217;s have steadily turned the non-southern urban areas uniformly democrat.</p>

	<p>The game is up congressionally for the R&#8217;s and its nearly up for Republican presidential politics also.</p>

	<p>We know how Nixonland will die, it will die from the Machete blow of Hispanic demographics.   Nixonland will have to shed some of its Nativist, Sexist and Racist tropes.</p>

	<p>What I find interesting is how ineffective Californian and Western Democrats have been in offering a national and presidential politics to change the terms of discourse.  In the House and Senate we have Pelosi and Reid  &#8211; Western Democrats and what is their brand?  What is the identity?  Who is their mythic leader of stature?</p>

	<p>The national candidates Obama and Clinton seem to be a curious mix of diversity, fame and the traditional anti-Nixonland  union and identity politics.</p>

	<p>What is the face of Authority in the democrat brand?  Putting the racism and class warfare aside, and concentrating on the America-First side of the equation, who or what for the democrats can fill the bad-ass role that the American masses  (as others before them) have wanted in a leader?</p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;First is the supply-demand imbalance of “news.” Campaigns provide little, and journalists need more. Candidate’s stump speeches rarely alter and new policy statements are rare and usually anodyne. The “controversies” are the only campaign statements that change from day to day.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s important! It used to be, politicians could travel around and give the same speeches everywhere (tailored a bit for particular locations) and the new audiences would appreciate it. Now they need to provide more.

So, 4 years from now the presidential candidates should have something new to present to the reporters, every few days. Something actually new would be better than silly sound bites.

So for example we could have a Democratic candidate on gun control:

&quot;We know now that gun control doesn&#039;t actually reduce crime much, though it has some effect on the small number of gun accidents. And gun ownership doesn&#039;t reduce crime much. We need some other way to reduce crime than those.

&quot;But OK, people in some cities want more gun control, and people in other cities and noncities don&#039;t. We should let people get what they want in both cases. Sometimes people want stupid things. We can disagree about which choices are stupid, but if a city or other place has a policy you hate about firearms, you can put up with it or else don&#039;t go there. Maybe they&#039;ll see reason in time. Let localities do what they want. If a whole state wants to make a policy I guess that might be OK too.&quot;

Or a Democratic candidate on abortion:

&quot;We already know how to transfer a fetus from one mother to another up to X days after the pregnancy has started. So let&#039;s deal with that. When a woman doesn&#039;t want to carry her baby and it&#039;s younger than X days, we can find a volunteer who does want it and do the transfer.

&quot;Now about the costs, doesn&#039;t it make sense that the original mother should pay half the cost if she can? And the rest of it can be paid by anybody who wants that baby to live and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.

&quot;And let&#039;s do research to extend those X days as far forward as we can. That way the costs of keeping babies alive don&#039;t fall only on mothers who might not be able to afford it at all. They can be paid by everybody who cares.&quot;

Maybe there are better positions to take. But every time you come up with something new you get the attention away from whatever stupid pet tricks the other side tries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>First is the supply-demand imbalance of &#8220;news.&#8221; Campaigns provide little, and journalists need more. Candidate&#8217;s stump speeches rarely alter and new policy statements are rare and usually anodyne. The &#8220;controversies&#8221; are the only campaign statements that change from day to day.</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s important! It used to be, politicians could travel around and give the same speeches everywhere (tailored a bit for particular locations) and the new audiences would appreciate it. Now they need to provide more.</p>

	<p>So, 4 years from now the presidential candidates should have something new to present to the reporters, every few days. Something actually new would be better than silly sound bites.</p>

	<p>So for example we could have a Democratic candidate on gun control:</p>

	<p>&#8220;We know now that gun control doesn&#8217;t actually reduce crime much, though it has some effect on the small number of gun accidents. And gun ownership doesn&#8217;t reduce crime much. We need some other way to reduce crime than those.</p>

	<p>&#8220;But OK, people in some cities want more gun control, and people in other cities and noncities don&#8217;t. We should let people get what they want in both cases. Sometimes people want stupid things. We can disagree about which choices are stupid, but if a city or other place has a policy you hate about firearms, you can put up with it or else don&#8217;t go there. Maybe they&#8217;ll see reason in time. Let localities do what they want. If a whole state wants to make a policy I guess that might be OK too.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Or a Democratic candidate on abortion:</p>

	<p>&#8220;We already know how to transfer a fetus from one mother to another up to X days after the pregnancy has started. So let&#8217;s deal with that. When a woman doesn&#8217;t want to carry her baby and it&#8217;s younger than X days, we can find a volunteer who does want it and do the transfer.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Now about the costs, doesn&#8217;t it make sense that the original mother should pay half the cost if she can? And the rest of it can be paid by anybody who wants that baby to live and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.</p>

	<p>&#8220;And let&#8217;s do research to extend those X days as far forward as we can. That way the costs of keeping babies alive don&#8217;t fall only on mothers who might not be able to afford it at all. They can be paid by everybody who cares.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Maybe there are better positions to take. But every time you come up with something new you get the attention away from whatever stupid pet tricks the other side tries.</p>
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		<title>By: c.l. ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.l. ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m don&#039;t think the reporter-flack back-stroking is the mechanism in the neutered neutrality of &quot;controversy&quot; coverage. Three other mechanisms are at play. First is the supply-demand imbalance of  &quot;news.&quot; Campaigns provide little, and journalists need more.  Candidate&#039;s stump speeches rarely alter and new policy statements are rare and usually anodyne. The &quot;controversies&quot; are the only campaign statements that change from day to day.  The barbs and ripostes make for easy quote--counter-quote stories, especially for TV &amp; radio.  

Second, there is the fear of being scooped. If one outlet will report the &quot;news,&quot; the others feel the need to do so as well.  If major national outlets ignore it, minor national or local outlets will carry it, and make the majors look out-of-touch. Back in &#039;92 w/  Clinton&#039;s Gennifer Flowers affair, the national networks chose to ignore the tabloid story, but local affiliates reported it, and soon the majors were playing catch-up. Conference calls are used to make this by-pass possible; local reporters can call in rather than have to travel with a campaign or be located in the HQ city.

Third, the controversies are not about facts but about pseudo-facts -- the  &quot;lipstick&quot; comment,  the Ferraro &quot;lucky&quot; comment, the Kerry &quot;study hard&quot;  and other charges are chosen because they are spin-able  and not easily refuted.  NPR has harped on Palin&#039;s bridge-to-nowhere mis-representations because they are verifiable in ways that intent is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m don&#8217;t think the reporter-flack back-stroking is the mechanism in the neutered neutrality of &#8220;controversy&#8221; coverage. Three other mechanisms are at play. First is the supply-demand imbalance of  &#8220;news.&#8221; Campaigns provide little, and journalists need more.  Candidate&#8217;s stump speeches rarely alter and new policy statements are rare and usually anodyne. The &#8220;controversies&#8221; are the only campaign statements that change from day to day.  The barbs and ripostes make for easy quote&#8212;counter-quote stories, especially for <span class="caps">TV </span>&#038; radio.</p>

	<p>Second, there is the fear of being scooped. If one outlet will report the &#8220;news,&#8221; the others feel the need to do so as well.  If major national outlets ignore it, minor national or local outlets will carry it, and make the majors look out-of-touch. Back in &#8216;92 w/  Clinton&#8217;s Gennifer Flowers affair, the national networks chose to ignore the tabloid story, but local affiliates reported it, and soon the majors were playing catch-up. Conference calls are used to make this by-pass possible; local reporters can call in rather than have to travel with a campaign or be located in the HQ city.</p>

	<p>Third, the controversies are not about facts but about pseudo-facts&#8212;the  &#8220;lipstick&#8221; comment,  the Ferraro &#8220;lucky&#8221; comment, the Kerry &#8220;study hard&#8221;  and other charges are chosen because they are spin-able  and not easily refuted.  <span class="caps">NPR</span> has harped on Palin&#8217;s bridge-to-nowhere mis-representations because they are verifiable in ways that intent is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44-50:
&lt;i&gt;The key problem of universal suffrage – getting stupid people not to make stupid choices, without getting them stupidly huffy about being stupid...&lt;/i&gt;
or even the amended
&lt;i&gt;...getting stupid [racist] people not to make stupid [racist] choices...&lt;/i&gt;
does leave out the somewhat more pressing problem of plutocrats kind of co-opting the whole suffrage thing. If not from the get, from way back.
Lots of common-sense folks out there with not so high test scores feeling just as beleaguered as you. Surrounded by what you&#039;re thinking of as stupid-heads, but what they&#039;re thinking of as just plain wrong-heads.

The real enemy of democracy isn&#039;t dumbness, it&#039;s selfishness. A character flaw sadly now fixed at the center of the cultural genome, pandemic across all boundaries, and intensifying as things work steadily bleakward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#44-50:<br />
<i>The key problem of universal suffrage &#8211; getting stupid people not to make stupid choices, without getting them stupidly huffy about being stupid&#8230;</i><br />
or even the amended<br />
<i>&#8230;getting stupid [racist] people not to make stupid [racist] choices&#8230;</i><br />
does leave out the somewhat more pressing problem of plutocrats kind of co-opting the whole suffrage thing. If not from the get, from way back.<br />
Lots of common-sense folks out there with not so high test scores feeling just as beleaguered as you. Surrounded by what you&#8217;re thinking of as stupid-heads, but what they&#8217;re thinking of as just plain wrong-heads.</p>

	<p>The real enemy of democracy isn&#8217;t dumbness, it&#8217;s selfishness. A character flaw sadly now fixed at the center of the cultural genome, pandemic across all boundaries, and intensifying as things work steadily bleakward.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As long as the core directors of the Democratic Party maintain 34 Senate seats, 1/3 + 1 House seats, and 10-15 governorships they are satisfied. That is enough to maintain their position of prestige and the flow of money and perks. It is also enough to maintain some moderate level of influence and a little power, with the prospect of getting the levers every few election cycles. They are happy and content; they see no need for the grubbing and scratching that those dirty smelly “lefty” party activists want to undertake.&lt;/i&gt;

Bingo. Thanks for that, CO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>As long as the core directors of the Democratic Party maintain 34 Senate seats, 1/3 + 1 House seats, and 10-15 governorships they are satisfied. That is enough to maintain their position of prestige and the flow of money and perks. It is also enough to maintain some moderate level of influence and a little power, with the prospect of getting the levers every few election cycles. They are happy and content; they see no need for the grubbing and scratching that those dirty smelly &#8220;lefty&#8221; party activists want to undertake.</i></p>

	<p>Bingo. Thanks for that, CO.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much the question might be better framed looking back past the &#039;60s to the opposition to the New Deal and the reforms before it. My impression is that there&#039;s a fairly strong continuity of participants there, particularly when it comes to those providing the funding. And if we start with the robber barons and their associates, then an answer to &quot;How did they take back so much of what was taken from them, and more?&quot; might very well start with their success at projection. They go their sundry resources deployed to sell the public on the idea that liberals have the qualities of the robber barons themselves.

I also very strongly agree that the success of the idea that all politics is just sordid and dirty has been a huge help in their effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wonder how much the question might be better framed looking back past the &#8216;60s to the opposition to the New Deal and the reforms before it. My impression is that there&#8217;s a fairly strong continuity of participants there, particularly when it comes to those providing the funding. And if we start with the robber barons and their associates, then an answer to &#8220;How did they take back so much of what was taken from them, and more?&#8221; might very well start with their success at projection. They go their sundry resources deployed to sell the public on the idea that liberals have the qualities of the robber barons themselves.</p>

	<p>I also very strongly agree that the success of the idea that all politics is just sordid and dirty has been a huge help in their effort.</p>
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		<title>By: bianca steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>bianca steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s interesting that what Clive Crook perceives as the traits of “Americans” that “liberal elites” don’t like or don’t appreciate corresponds so closely to the traits of “Americans” that “English people” tend not to like -- flag-waving patriotism and overt religiosity are two that spring to mind.  (He doesn’t use the word “Americans” in his column but does slip and use it in a follow-up blog post.)  And it’s interesting that Tom Hurka interprets Crook’s column as saying “we liberals look down on you,” rather than as saying “the Democrats look down on the rest of the country and that’s why we Republicans are going to win the race.”

I’m also amazed at the skill many media people have in pegging people’s politics on the evidence of a few minutes of cocktail party chat.  (The skill seems to have rubbed off on blog commenters too.)  E.g., “I hate those liberals, they are so boring at parties and so arrogant, they always think they know better than me and they keep arguing even after I tell them they’re wrong,” etc.  Or, “Sorry, Clive, you’ll just have to put up with these fireworks for an hour or so, you know how these people like that stuff.”  Or, maybe, “I hate those liberal feminists (like Elizabeth Genovese) who say that there’s something wrong with American society and we should be less individualistic and less ‘consumerist‘.”

Before Henry’s post and the comments to it, I had never heard anyone actually say that Americans are divided into (a very few) “liberals” and (overwhelmingly many) “real Americans” -- clearly, neither did the commenter who attacked me for jokingly putting it forward -- and I’m surprised anyone has claimed the belief as their own, or even claimed empirical evidence for its being the belief of some identifiable group out there.  Would it be possible to tell who has claimed they believe it, or claimed they believe others believe it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s interesting that what Clive Crook perceives as the traits of &#8220;Americans&#8221; that &#8220;liberal elites&#8221; don&#8217;t like or don&#8217;t appreciate corresponds so closely to the traits of &#8220;Americans&#8221; that &#8220;English people&#8221; tend not to like&#8212;flag-waving patriotism and overt religiosity are two that spring to mind.  (He doesn&#8217;t use the word &#8220;Americans&#8221; in his column but does slip and use it in a follow-up blog post.)  And it&#8217;s interesting that Tom Hurka interprets Crook&#8217;s column as saying &#8220;we liberals look down on you,&#8221; rather than as saying &#8220;the Democrats look down on the rest of the country and that&#8217;s why we Republicans are going to win the race.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m also amazed at the skill many media people have in pegging people&#8217;s politics on the evidence of a few minutes of cocktail party chat.  (The skill seems to have rubbed off on blog commenters too.)  E.g., &#8220;I hate those liberals, they are so boring at parties and so arrogant, they always think they know better than me and they keep arguing even after I tell them they&#8217;re wrong,&#8221; etc.  Or, &#8220;Sorry, Clive, you&#8217;ll just have to put up with these fireworks for an hour or so, you know how these people like that stuff.&#8221;  Or, maybe, &#8220;I hate those liberal feminists (like Elizabeth Genovese) who say that there&#8217;s something wrong with American society and we should be less individualistic and less &#8216;consumerist&#8216;.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Before Henry&#8217;s post and the comments to it, I had never heard anyone actually say that Americans are divided into (a very few) &#8220;liberals&#8221; and (overwhelmingly many) &#8220;real Americans&#8221;&#8212;clearly, neither did the commenter who attacked me for jokingly putting it forward&#8212;and I&#8217;m surprised anyone has claimed the belief as their own, or even claimed empirical evidence for its being the belief of some identifiable group out there.  Would it be possible to tell who has claimed they believe it, or claimed they believe others believe it?</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;this axis that regular Americans are white God-fearing small towners&quot; may be [indeed, indubitably is] &quot;out of date, offensive, and deeply problematic&quot;, but until millions of people can be persuaded to stop believing it, it isn&#039;t going to go away by calling it so, is it?

I amend my earlier statement of the problem: getting stupid [racist] people not to make stupid [racist] choices, without getting them stupidly huffy about being stupid [and racist] and deep down knowing [and loving] it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;this axis that regular Americans are white God-fearing small towners&#8221; may be [indeed, indubitably is] &#8220;out of date, offensive, and deeply problematic&#8221;, but until millions of people can be persuaded to stop believing it, it isn&#8217;t going to go away by calling it so, is it?</p>

	<p>I amend my earlier statement of the problem: getting stupid [racist] people not to make stupid [racist] choices, without getting them stupidly huffy about being stupid [and racist] and deep down knowing [and loving] it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48 Henry 09.11.08 at 2:00 pm 
&quot;Barry – I am writing up the panel at the moment, in the few hours that I have given travails of beginning of semester and three week old infant.&quot;

No problem; I can&#039;t complain that you have copious free time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>48 Henry 09.11.08 at 2:00 pm<br />
&#8220;Barry &#8211; I am writing up the panel at the moment, in the few hours that I have given travails of beginning of semester and three week old infant.&#8221;</p>

	<p>No problem; I can&#8217;t complain that you have copious free time.</p>
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