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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252173</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;First, people today, by and large, work so hard, and spend so little time with their families by historical standards and compared to people in other countries, that it’s not at all clear that this is desirable, and it’s not even physically possible to work many more hours at this point.&lt;/i&gt;

No only that, but I have to question the whole premise:  desirable to whom, why would anyone want me to work longer hours? I certainly don&#039;t want to work more hours, nor do I care whether you work longer or shorter hours. What is this all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>First, people today, by and large, work so hard, and spend so little time with their families by historical standards and compared to people in other countries, that it&#8217;s not at all clear that this is desirable, and it&#8217;s not even physically possible to work many more hours at this point.</i></p>

	<p>No only that, but I have to question the whole premise:  desirable to whom, why would anyone want me to work longer hours? I certainly don&#8217;t want to work more hours, nor do I care whether you work longer or shorter hours. What is this all about?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard H. Serlin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252148</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard H. Serlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aynrand,

We had much greater income and GDP growth when there was much greater equality. For an explanation why, please see my posts:

http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/dollar-spent-on-tax-cuts-costs-more.html 

and

http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-tax-cuts-pun-intended.html

To whet your appetite, here&#039;s part of the reason why:

Finally, what about Republican claims that tax cuts will make people work more hours because it increases their pay per hour? First, people today, by and large, work so hard, and spend so little time with their families by historical standards and compared to people in other countries, that it&#039;s not at all clear that this is desirable, and it&#039;s not even physically possible to work many more hours at this point. In addition, there is a point where production is decreased from more hours, because eventually it really hurts the quality of work. People become tired and burnt out. Competence and creativity is hurt. But aside from any of this, it has been shown in economics that in fact there is little long term relationship between tax rates and work hours. For most of the 20th century real wages per hour went up greatly at the same time that hours worked dropped.  There&#039;s little long term effect, and what effect there is can easily go in the other direction. Cutting taxes can decrease work hours. A key reason is the long ago established and accepted in economics, income and substitution effects, which you can find in any university microeconomics text.

The idea is this: if you raise someone&#039;s wage from $8/hour to $12, they may go from 40 hours/week to 45, because they get $4 more for giving up an hour; that&#039;s the substitution effect. But if you raise their wage from $8/hour to $1 million/hour, they will probably work like 40 hours per year! And then spend the rest of the year enjoying all of that money. That&#039;s the income effect. When you raise someone&#039;s wage per hour, they don&#039;t have to work as many hours to live in a way that they consider well. Empirically, it appears that with taxes at about their current level, the income effect becomes greater at about the middle class level, and then we get what&#039;s called a backward bend to the labor supply curve. Cornell economist Robert Frank has a nice brief New York Times Economics Scene article explaining all of this, &quot;In the Real World of Work and Wages, Trickle-Down Theories Don’t Hold Up&quot; (at: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/business/12scene.html?ex=1334030400&amp;en=a58a714793b92179&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>aynrand,</p>

	<p>We had much greater income and <span class="caps">GDP</span> growth when there was much greater equality. For an explanation why, please see my posts:</p>

	<p><a href="http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/dollar-spent-on-tax-cuts-costs-more.html" rel="nofollow">http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/dollar-spent-on-tax-cuts-costs-more.html</a></p>

	<p>and</p>

	<p><a href="http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-tax-cuts-pun-intended.html" rel="nofollow">http://richardhserlin.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-tax-cuts-pun-intended.html</a></p>

	<p>To whet your appetite, here&#8217;s part of the reason why:</p>

	<p>Finally, what about Republican claims that tax cuts will make people work more hours because it increases their pay per hour? First, people today, by and large, work so hard, and spend so little time with their families by historical standards and compared to people in other countries, that it&#8217;s not at all clear that this is desirable, and it&#8217;s not even physically possible to work many more hours at this point. In addition, there is a point where production is decreased from more hours, because eventually it really hurts the quality of work. People become tired and burnt out. Competence and creativity is hurt. But aside from any of this, it has been shown in economics that in fact there is little long term relationship between tax rates and work hours. For most of the 20th century real wages per hour went up greatly at the same time that hours worked dropped.  There&#8217;s little long term effect, and what effect there is can easily go in the other direction. Cutting taxes can decrease work hours. A key reason is the long ago established and accepted in economics, income and substitution effects, which you can find in any university microeconomics text.</p>

	<p>The idea is this: if you raise someone&#8217;s wage from $8/hour to $12, they may go from 40 hours/week to 45, because they get $4 more for giving up an hour; that&#8217;s the substitution effect. But if you raise their wage from $8/hour to $1 million/hour, they will probably work like 40 hours per year! And then spend the rest of the year enjoying all of that money. That&#8217;s the income effect. When you raise someone&#8217;s wage per hour, they don&#8217;t have to work as many hours to live in a way that they consider well. Empirically, it appears that with taxes at about their current level, the income effect becomes greater at about the middle class level, and then we get what&#8217;s called a backward bend to the labor supply curve. Cornell economist Robert Frank has a nice brief New York Times Economics Scene article explaining all of this, &#8220;In the Real World of Work and Wages, Trickle-Down Theories Don&#8217;t Hold Up&#8221; (at: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/business/12scene.html?ex=1334030400&#038;en=a58a714793b92179&#038;ei=5124&#038;partner=permalink&#038;exprod=permalink" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/business/12scene.html?ex=1334030400&#038;en=a58a714793b92179&#038;ei=5124&#038;partner=permalink&#038;exprod=permalink</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Asher</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252144</link>
		<dc:creator>Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crux of this discussion comes down to the follow: what exactly are we measuring.  One problem is that we are not actually comparing apples to apples; i.e. the same people who we are measuring now are significantly different from the people being measured, historically.  A good example is the very large percentage of the American population from Latin America that makes far more in the US than they would make in their countries of recent origin.

Let&#039;s say that you have a 20 year old woman who arrived from mexico in 1988 and immediately had a son.  Now, if that son currently worked in Mexico his income might be  a couple thousand dollars, but it is now ten or more thousand.  Additionally, if you are operating under the premise that this new worker is replacing a retiring white worker you&#039;re forced to look into whether or not you are replacing like with like.  And you&#039;re not.  The average IQ of ethnic mestizos, who account for nearly all immigration from Mexico, is around 88, while the average IQ of currently retiring workers is roughly 100.  You can&#039;t replace a 100 IQ with an 88 IQ and expect similar results.

This just demonstrates that if you&#039;re looking at aggregate data over an extended period of time you really need to be careful that you&#039;re measuring the same thing.  An analogy might be measuring the height distribution of the Roman Senate during the late empire, a period of time when the Empire completely lost it&#039;s Roman flavor and turned completely multi-ethnic; the Romans were shorter than the Germans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The crux of this discussion comes down to the follow: what exactly are we measuring.  One problem is that we are not actually comparing apples to apples; i.e. the same people who we are measuring now are significantly different from the people being measured, historically.  A good example is the very large percentage of the American population from Latin America that makes far more in the US than they would make in their countries of recent origin.</p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s say that you have a 20 year old woman who arrived from mexico in 1988 and immediately had a son.  Now, if that son currently worked in Mexico his income might be  a couple thousand dollars, but it is now ten or more thousand.  Additionally, if you are operating under the premise that this new worker is replacing a retiring white worker you&#8217;re forced to look into whether or not you are replacing like with like.  And you&#8217;re not.  The average IQ of ethnic mestizos, who account for nearly all immigration from Mexico, is around 88, while the average IQ of currently retiring workers is roughly 100.  You can&#8217;t replace a 100 IQ with an 88 IQ and expect similar results.</p>

	<p>This just demonstrates that if you&#8217;re looking at aggregate data over an extended period of time you really need to be careful that you&#8217;re measuring the same thing.  An analogy might be measuring the height distribution of the Roman Senate during the late empire, a period of time when the Empire completely lost it&#8217;s Roman flavor and turned completely multi-ethnic; the Romans were shorter than the Germans.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252138</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;apt moniker&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think so. This commenter said:
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A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now, think about it, take The Fountainhead, for example. The moral of this (very naive) story is exactly the opposite: the &lt;i&gt;protagonist&lt;/i&gt; guy &lt;i&gt;wants, above all, to build&lt;/i&gt; his buildings - while &lt;i&gt;not caring at all about the money&lt;/i&gt;.  It&#039;s precisely the &lt;i&gt;bad, contemptible&lt;/i&gt; guy who&#039;s preoccupied with making money and would probably devote his time to tax avoidance. 

See? They don&#039;t even understand their own prophet and desecrate her name. Sad, very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>apt moniker</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think so. This commenter said:<br />
<blockquote><br />
A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.<br />
</blockquote><br />
Now, think about it, take The Fountainhead, for example. The moral of this (very naive) story is exactly the opposite: the <i>protagonist</i> guy <i>wants, above all, to build</i> his buildings &#8211; while <i>not caring at all about the money</i>.  It&#8217;s precisely the <i>bad, contemptible</i> guy who&#8217;s preoccupied with making money and would probably devote his time to tax avoidance.</p>

	<p>See? They don&#8217;t even understand their own prophet and desecrate her name. Sad, very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@56: well, you certainly chose an apt moniker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@56: well, you certainly chose an apt moniker.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.&lt;/i&gt;

These extremely greedy people who really-really need to be making tens of millions of dollars every year, these freaks - I&#039;d strongly prefer that they become criminals, bank robbers - rather than captains of industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.</i></p>

	<p>These extremely greedy people who really-really need to be making tens of millions of dollars every year, these freaks &#8211; I&#8217;d strongly prefer that they become criminals, bank robbers &#8211; rather than captains of industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt E Ryan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252086</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt E Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, let us have a world were we have everyone being equal, all in misery. Let the government of the US decide what everyone around the GLOBE should have. That is real development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, let us have a world were we have everyone being equal, all in misery. Let the government of the US decide what everyone around the <span class="caps">GLOBE</span> should have. That is real development.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252073</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be a problem in Sherwood, but it&#039;s hardly a problem for the US of A, which just weeks ago forced the UBS to completely terminate their off-shore services for the US clients. Just like that, and they didn&#039;t even have to bomb Zurich once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It may be a problem in Sherwood, but it&#8217;s hardly a problem for the US of A, which just weeks ago forced the <span class="caps">UBS</span> to completely terminate their off-shore services for the US clients. Just like that, and they didn&#8217;t even have to bomb Zurich once.</p>
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		<title>By: gandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with giving money to the poor and taking it from the rich nowadays is that the rich will just take their money somewhere else (e.g. Liechtenstein). It&#039;s not like they are all stuck in Sherwood Forest any more. 

We really need some kind of global &quot;people power&quot; movement here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem with giving money to the poor and taking it from the rich nowadays is that the rich will just take their money somewhere else (e.g. Liechtenstein). It&#8217;s not like they are all stuck in Sherwood Forest any more.</p>

	<p>We really need some kind of global &#8220;people power&#8221; movement here.</p>
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		<title>By: aynrand</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252045</link>
		<dc:creator>aynrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sure. Let&#039;s raise taxes on the most productive (in terms of wealth generating) citizens. Even though income has risen faster on the top, the reason it has risen at all on the bottom is because of the actions taken by our most productive members.

It&#039;s unfortunate that people think that income equality would raise the poor up when in reality, it often just drags the rich down.

A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.

The cons of wealth equality are so much greater than the anticipated benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, sure. Let&#8217;s raise taxes on the most productive (in terms of wealth generating) citizens. Even though income has risen faster on the top, the reason it has risen at all on the bottom is because of the actions taken by our most productive members.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that people think that income equality would raise the poor up when in reality, it often just drags the rich down.</p>

	<p>A marginal income tax of 75% on the top would just mean that the top earners would devote their time to tax avoidance rather than engage in wealth building activities.</p>

	<p>The cons of wealth equality are so much greater than the anticipated benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/13/where-has-us-household-income-gone/comment-page-2/#comment-252011</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think doubling the minimum wage is enough, and anyway it has to be inflation indexed or linked to some index (like the poverty line for the family of four or something). 

Also, the top tax rate has to go much higher than 75% and permanently - it can be argued that this whole thing started when the Kennedy/Johnson admins dropped the top rate from 91% to 70%. 

Also, a wealth tax would be a very good idea at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think doubling the minimum wage is enough, and anyway it has to be inflation indexed or linked to some index (like the poverty line for the family of four or something).</p>

	<p>Also, the top tax rate has to go much higher than 75% and permanently &#8211; it can be argued that this whole thing started when the Kennedy/Johnson admins dropped the top rate from 91% to 70%.</p>

	<p>Also, a wealth tax would be a very good idea at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gandhi,
I&#039;M SO GLAD  YOU ASKED.  Here is my sidelined cabdriver megalomaniac plan.  Thing is, if an old high school educated cabbie can hatch a reasonable sounding bounce back program out for pretty much boiler plate concepts  (no mission from Mars or Marx stuff) -- every economic professional out there ought to have one (or more) comprehensive plans of their own.
*******************************
How to legislatively (re)impose a fair and balanced American labor market:
First, double the minimum wage to $13/hr over three years (a dollar every six months?) – and – legally guarantee inflation adjustments for incomes under $100,000.  

Doubling the minimum wage could potentially add an average 50% more pay to below 50 percentile earnings ($13/hr being today’s 35 percentile wage) – accompanied by only (an easily computed) 3%* direct price increases plus perhaps (?) 3% more after other wages are pushed up – a minimum wage-force multiplier.

Next, legislatively introduce French-Canadian style (lite) sector-wide labor agreements to the US labor market (airline and supermarket employees would kill for sector-wide contracts) – and – legally mandate union certification and re-certification elections (every four years?) at every work place (periodic re-certification could clean up the most common objections to unions: entrenched, complacent or even corrupt leaderships).  

Top 10 percentile incomes enjoy 40 percent of the take these days (up from 27.5% in 1973) – plenty of headroom there for the mid 50-90 percentile to rake back more missing share points through higher labor prices – a collective bargaining-force multiplier.  

Finally, (at least temporarily?) hike marginal tax rates (75% over $500,000, $1,000,000?).  Folks earning 2500% more than folks doing the same work 25-35 years ago will not return all the way to earth through 12.5-25% price increases – erode a force multiplier.

America’s lower 90 percentile earners never think to impose legislative hegemony to recoup the 12.5%** income share they have lost to top 3 percentile since 1973 – their unemployed force multiplier.

* http://ontodayspagelinks.blogspot.com/2008/08/3-cost-of-gdp-output-and-inflation.html 
** http://ontodayspagelinks.blogspot.com/2008/08/income-share.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>gandhi,<br />
I&#8217;M <span class="caps">SO GLAD  YOU ASKED</span>.  Here is my sidelined cabdriver megalomaniac plan.  Thing is, if an old high school educated cabbie can hatch a reasonable sounding bounce back program out for pretty much boiler plate concepts  (no mission from Mars or Marx stuff)&#8212;every economic professional out there ought to have one (or more) comprehensive plans of their own.</p>
	<p>*******************************<br />
How to legislatively (re)impose a fair and balanced American labor market:<br />
First, double the minimum wage to $13/hr over three years (a dollar every six months?) &#8211; and &#8211; legally guarantee inflation adjustments for incomes under $100,000.</p>

	<p>Doubling the minimum wage could potentially add an average 50% more pay to below 50 percentile earnings ($13/hr being today&#8217;s 35 percentile wage) &#8211; accompanied by only (an easily computed) 3%* direct price increases plus perhaps (?) 3% more after other wages are pushed up &#8211; a minimum wage-force multiplier.</p>

	<p>Next, legislatively introduce French-Canadian style (lite) sector-wide labor agreements to the US labor market (airline and supermarket employees would kill for sector-wide contracts) &#8211; and &#8211; legally mandate union certification and re-certification elections (every four years?) at every work place (periodic re-certification could clean up the most common objections to unions: entrenched, complacent or even corrupt leaderships).</p>

	<p>Top 10 percentile incomes enjoy 40 percent of the take these days (up from 27.5% in 1973) &#8211; plenty of headroom there for the mid 50-90 percentile to rake back more missing share points through higher labor prices &#8211; a collective bargaining-force multiplier.</p>

	<p>Finally, (at least temporarily?) hike marginal tax rates (75% over $500,000, $1,000,000?).  Folks earning 2500% more than folks doing the same work 25-35 years ago will not return all the way to earth through 12.5-25% price increases &#8211; erode a force multiplier.</p>

	<p>America&#8217;s lower 90 percentile earners never think to impose legislative hegemony to recoup the 12.5%** income share they have lost to top 3 percentile since 1973 &#8211; their unemployed force multiplier.</p>

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	<p>** <a href="http://ontodayspagelinks.blogspot.com/2008/08/income-share.html" rel="nofollow">http://ontodayspagelinks.blogspot.com/2008/08/income-share.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John  Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Krugman and DeLong have speculated that &quot;power&quot; might be  the reason. As I understand, &quot;power&quot; is a political concept, not an economic concept, and  I think that pretty much anyone except an economist would conclude that after five strongly anti-labor Republican administrations and two neoliberal Democratic administration (weakly pro-labor at best, but then there&#039;s Free Trade) that you&#039;d expect that politics had a lot to do with the stagnation of wages. 

It was the trained incapacity of economic professionals, who have been indoctrinated to take a deliberately incomplete model of human society as complete, which caused Krugman and DeLong to stand around sucking their fingers and talking about a paradox. And they&#039;re the good guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Both Krugman and DeLong have speculated that &#8220;power&#8221; might be  the reason. As I understand, &#8220;power&#8221; is a political concept, not an economic concept, and  I think that pretty much anyone except an economist would conclude that after five strongly anti-labor Republican administrations and two neoliberal Democratic administration (weakly pro-labor at best, but then there&#8217;s Free Trade) that you&#8217;d expect that politics had a lot to do with the stagnation of wages.</p>

	<p>It was the trained incapacity of economic professionals, who have been indoctrinated to take a deliberately incomplete model of human society as complete, which caused Krugman and DeLong to stand around sucking their fingers and talking about a paradox. And they&#8217;re the good guys.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiftieth comment and no one has mentioned real estate?

Back in the late 70&#039;s real estate started getting more expensive and women had to work in order for a family to be able to afford a house. Household income went up because more people were working. Eventually productivity rose, due at least in part to increasing computer use, GDP rose, and working people didn&#039;t get to share because, among other things, we had Republicans in power to make sure that the wealthiest got to skim the cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fiftieth comment and no one has mentioned real estate?</p>

	<p>Back in the late 70&#8217;s real estate started getting more expensive and women had to work in order for a family to be able to afford a house. Household income went up because more people were working. Eventually productivity rose, due at least in part to increasing computer use, <span class="caps">GDP</span> rose, and working people didn&#8217;t get to share because, among other things, we had Republicans in power to make sure that the wealthiest got to skim the cream.</p>
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		<title>By: gandhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gandhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BIG question is not where the money went, but how on earth do you get it back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">BIG</span> question is not where the money went, but how on earth do you get it back?</p>
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