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		<title>By: Scott Wood</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253288</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anybody who has to have a special system set up just right to be able to listen to their music is not somebody who’s actually into music, but somebody who fetishes his consumerist cravings.&quot;

Martin, do you consider cd players and turntables &quot;special systems&quot;?  These are the devices millions of people once used to listen to music.  The suggestion that hoping digital music will eventually match their quality makes someone a snob is  laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Anybody who has to have a special system set up just right to be able to listen to their music is not somebody who&#8217;s actually into music, but somebody who fetishes his consumerist cravings.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Martin, do you consider cd players and turntables &#8220;special systems&#8221;?  These are the devices millions of people once used to listen to music.  The suggestion that hoping digital music will eventually match their quality makes someone a snob is  laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug K</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253220</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watson @ 72: the question of conversion is a thorny one. There are services that will do it for you, but typically these aren&#039;t cheap. For example http://www.lptocd.com/  is $25 per LP. 

The simple way is to get a USB turntable. There are several makes, all of which are adequate but certainly not audiophile standard. Just plug it in to a USB port, set up the recording software (usually Audacity) and off you go. 

The hard way, to get better sound: 
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/1

I like the Goldwave sound editor for cleaning up the digital music after recording, 
http://www.goldwave.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Watson @ 72: the question of conversion is a thorny one. There are services that will do it for you, but typically these aren&#8217;t cheap. For example <a href="http://www.lptocd.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lptocd.com/</a>  is $25 per LP.</p>

	<p>The simple way is to get a <span class="caps">USB</span> turntable. There are several makes, all of which are adequate but certainly not audiophile standard. Just plug it in to a <span class="caps">USB</span> port, set up the recording software (usually Audacity) and off you go.</p>

	<p>The hard way, to get better sound:<br />
<a href="http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/1</a></p>

	<p>I like the Goldwave sound editor for cleaning up the digital music after recording,<br />
<a href="http://www.goldwave.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldwave.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Taylor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253214</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;it’s pretty clear you’re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that’s worth listening to. &lt;/em&gt;

As a lover of music who also participates in karaoke, I can tell you that anytime someone is making a joyous noise, it&#039;s worth listening to. I can&#039;t stand people who lay claim to being TRUE Music Lovers(TM) but who deride other people&#039;s taste out of hand, and usually without truly listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>it&#8217;s pretty clear you&#8217;re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that&#8217;s worth listening to. </em></p>

	<p>As a lover of music who also participates in karaoke, I can tell you that anytime someone is making a joyous noise, it&#8217;s worth listening to. I can&#8217;t stand people who lay claim to being <span class="caps">TRUE </span>Music Lovers&#8482; but who deride other people&#8217;s taste out of hand, and usually without truly listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemmy Caution</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253165</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemmy Caution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s pretty obvious from the above that most of you are “people that collect music” rather “people who actually listen to music”. If you got 235389459845000000000 hours worth of music on your computer (or in other mediums) it’s pretty clear you’re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that’s worth listening to. Which is far and in between.&lt;/i&gt;

You are kidding yourself if you think there is less than 300gigs of listenable music in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s pretty obvious from the above that most of you are &#8220;people that collect music&#8221; rather &#8220;people who actually listen to music&#8221;. If you got 235389459845000000000 hours worth of music on your computer (or in other mediums) it&#8217;s pretty clear you&#8217;re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that&#8217;s worth listening to. Which is far and in between.</i></p>

	<p>You are kidding yourself if you think there is less than 300gigs of listenable music in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: vanya</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253110</link>
		<dc:creator>vanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>notsneaky says &lt;i&gt;it’s pretty clear you’re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that’s worth listening to. Which is far and in between.&lt;/i&gt;

Hardly. There&#039;s more worthwhile music out there than you will ever ever listen to in your lifetime. In classical and jazz alone I have several hundred albums worth of music, more than I really have time to listen to but all of it very good, and every month I discover some new Serbian folk singer or Brazilian pop group or whatever doing something a little different and interesting. And all that recorded music usually pales next to live performances and or simply the fun of playing myself.  It must be nice to have such narrow taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>notsneaky says <i>it&#8217;s pretty clear you&#8217;re pretty much downloading everything that any fool tells you should download rather you know, actually, stuff that&#8217;s worth listening to. Which is far and in between.</i></p>

	<p>Hardly. There&#8217;s more worthwhile music out there than you will ever ever listen to in your lifetime. In classical and jazz alone I have several hundred albums worth of music, more than I really have time to listen to but all of it very good, and every month I discover some new Serbian folk singer or Brazilian pop group or whatever doing something a little different and interesting. And all that recorded music usually pales next to live performances and or simply the fun of playing myself.  It must be nice to have such narrow taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinder Dijkhuis</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253102</link>
		<dc:creator>Reinder Dijkhuis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55 GB on the main box, on an external drive scavenged from my old PC.  Another 10 GB on the iBook - both collections partly overlap.  I listen to it all - for the iBook, I have a semi-random smart playlist that ensures I get to listen to new records at least as often as I have listened to the oldest material on it. 

A small percentage fell off the back of a truck and some is downloaded through iTunes (where I avoid stuff that isn&#039;t iTunes Plus); most comes from my CD collection or those of my friends. 

Compression is rarely a real issue for me with the stuff that has a permanent place on my computers. I&#039;m just glad I got rid of all my cassettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>55 GB on the main box, on an external drive scavenged from my old PC.  Another 10 GB on the iBook &#8211; both collections partly overlap.  I listen to it all &#8211; for the iBook, I have a semi-random smart playlist that ensures I get to listen to new records at least as often as I have listened to the oldest material on it.</p>

	<p>A small percentage fell off the back of a truck and some is downloaded through iTunes (where I avoid stuff that isn&#8217;t iTunes Plus); most comes from my CD collection or those of my friends.</p>

	<p>Compression is rarely a real issue for me with the stuff that has a permanent place on my computers. I&#8217;m just glad I got rid of all my cassettes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/21/how-much-music/comment-page-2/#comment-253013</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never found compression to matter *much* for music unless it&#039;s in the unlistenable range below 128k.  However, I had trouble blind-testing my own 128k rip of a song from the flac original, so I&#039;m not sure compression is as bad as it looks.  Being that I *could* tell the song from the original by virtue of cymbal hits, I want 192 or more just to be safe =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve never found compression to matter <strong>much</strong> for music unless it&#8217;s in the unlistenable range below 128k.  However, I had trouble blind-testing my own 128k rip of a song from the flac original, so I&#8217;m not sure compression is as bad as it looks.  Being that I <strong>could</strong> tell the song from the original by virtue of cymbal hits, I want 192 or more just to be safe =)</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I LIKE the crackles on the records&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s something about those that are exciting, probably from childhood conditioning in my case.  Hear the crackle, anticipate something exciting.

On the other hand, digital noise lets you know you have the inferior version of something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i><span class="caps">I LIKE</span> the crackles on the records</i></p>

	<p>There&#8217;s something about those that are exciting, probably from childhood conditioning in my case.  Hear the crackle, anticipate something exciting.</p>

	<p>On the other hand, digital noise lets you know you have the inferior version of something.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what you mean by &quot;balanced&quot; but I whole heartedly agree with 66. In fact, I LIKE the crackles on the records, though with a lot of music I listen to, it really doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know what you mean by &#8220;balanced&#8221; but I whole heartedly agree with 66. In fact, <span class="caps">I LIKE</span> the crackles on the records, though with a lot of music I listen to, it really doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately I listen to a lot of electronica, trip hop, lounge, downtempo, singer/songwriter stuff and as far as classical goes, I prefer to listen to sonatas and the like at home, so the compression doesn&#039;t make that much of a difference (though I&#039;d recommend a 192 rate) and a pair of mid-range headphones will do. 

But for jazz, orchestral music and heavier pop and rock stuff a good home theatre system can make a world of difference - so if you&#039;re into that, you need one and should stick to CDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fortunately I listen to a lot of electronica, trip hop, lounge, downtempo, singer/songwriter stuff and as far as classical goes, I prefer to listen to sonatas and the like at home, so the compression doesn&#8217;t make that much of a difference (though I&#8217;d recommend a 192 rate) and a pair of mid-range headphones will do.</p>

	<p>But for jazz, orchestral music and heavier pop and rock stuff a good home theatre system can make a world of difference &#8211; so if you&#8217;re into that, you need one and should stick to CDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Danby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin I&#039;m not sure pop and large-hall classical exhaust types of music.  For most of what I listen to, small-ensemble acoustic of various genres, it&#039;s nice to be able to hear individual musicians clearly enough to follow their interactions, and you can get that level of quality without much expense.   Computer audio in particular is cheap: a terabyte of storage is a little over $100, so are fine usb output devices, and software is free.  

Internet radio, especially dare I say at tolerable rates of compression, is a wonderful thing.  And yes, sure, music is always better than no music, and anything that lets people listen to more is a good thing.  I grew up listening to records on one of these things, http://www.mbzponton.org/n2awa/radio_Grundig_2440U_front.jpg
thank you very much.

Watson, I don&#039;t know any other way than hooking up the turntable to the PC and doing the conversions yourself, which is cheap but labor-intensive.  Even people who do digital conversions commercially usually won&#039;t do lps because of copyright worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Martin I&#8217;m not sure pop and large-hall classical exhaust types of music.  For most of what I listen to, small-ensemble acoustic of various genres, it&#8217;s nice to be able to hear individual musicians clearly enough to follow their interactions, and you can get that level of quality without much expense.   Computer audio in particular is cheap: a terabyte of storage is a little over $100, so are fine usb output devices, and software is free.</p>

	<p>Internet radio, especially dare I say at tolerable rates of compression, is a wonderful thing.  And yes, sure, music is always better than no music, and anything that lets people listen to more is a good thing.  I grew up listening to records on one of these things, <a href="http://www.mbzponton.org/n2awa/radio_Grundig_2440U_front.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbzponton.org/n2awa/radio_Grundig_2440U_front.jpg</a><br />
thank you very much.</p>

	<p>Watson, I don&#8217;t know any other way than hooking up the turntable to the PC and doing the conversions yourself, which is cheap but labor-intensive.  Even people who do digital conversions commercially usually won&#8217;t do lps because of copyright worries.</p>
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		<title>By: Markup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know how many backup there are out there, especially online [mozy-esque].  Apple sells an iTune, lets say &quot;Trust Us (Take 9)&quot;.  Apple sells the D/L which is served/stored redundantly for our convenience, which we then duplicate one or more times for our convenience and protection.  

How many copies do we need and what is the cost of making, having, and keeping them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I want to know how many backup there are out there, especially online [mozy-esque].  Apple sells an iTune, lets say &#8220;Trust Us (Take 9)&#8221;.  Apple sells the D/L which is served/stored redundantly for our convenience, which we then duplicate one or more times for our convenience and protection.</p>

	<p>How many copies do we need and what is the cost of making, having, and keeping them?</p>
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		<title>By: Watson Aname</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watson Aname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of the funny things about mp3s is that distorted guitars sound really shitty when compressed.&lt;/i&gt;

This makes sense.   There is a psycho-acoustical model running that will penalize noise, which is essentially what you&#039;ve got with distorted guitars.  If enough people cared, the model could be tuned for metal (as it probably already is for `rock&#039; guitar distortion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>One of the funny things about mp3s is that distorted guitars sound really shitty when compressed.</i></p>

	<p>This makes sense.   There is a psycho-acoustical model running that will penalize noise, which is essentially what you&#8217;ve got with distorted guitars.  If enough people cared, the model could be tuned for metal (as it probably already is for `rock&#8217; guitar distortion).</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Blasting some pop song while you do dishes is a bit more forgiving than listening to a favourite string quartet.&lt;/i&gt;

One of the funny things about mp3s is that distorted guitars sound really shitty when compressed.  The most bone-headed heavy-metal song stands to lose a good deal more than a piano solo at low sample rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Blasting some pop song while you do dishes is a bit more forgiving than listening to a favourite string quartet.</i></p>

	<p>One of the funny things about mp3s is that distorted guitars sound really shitty when compressed.  The most bone-headed heavy-metal song stands to lose a good deal more than a piano solo at low sample rates.</p>
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		<title>By: The Modesto Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Modesto Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Martin and abb1; I grew up listening to music on LPs which were mostly in poor condition so the clarity of mp3&#039;s is a step up. (I didn&#039;t really make the transition to CD until roughly 1999 so the intervening period of listening to music on clean CD&#039;s was relatively short.)

I haven&#039;t got all that much music on my computer, maybe 7 to 10 G. But it seems to be increasing pretty rapidly; a year ago I had almost none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m with Martin and abb1; I grew up listening to music on LPs which were mostly in poor condition so the clarity of mp3&#8217;s is a step up. (I didn&#8217;t really make the transition to CD until roughly 1999 so the intervening period of listening to music on clean CD&#8217;s was relatively short.)</p>

	<p>I haven&#8217;t got all that much music on my computer, maybe 7 to 10 G. But it seems to be increasing pretty rapidly; a year ago I had almost none.</p>
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