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		<title>By: Vietnamese-American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vietnamese-American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgil Xenophon:

&lt;i&gt;Obviously not enough.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, you&#039;re a real piece of shit.  I&#039;m shocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Virgil Xenophon:</p>

	<p><i>Obviously not enough.</i></p>

	<p>Wow, you&#8217;re a real piece of shit.  I&#8217;m shocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;as a fellow fossil I strongly abhor attacks on his physical appearance and the “out-of-touch” thing.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Out of touch&quot; is somewhat important when voting for a president.

&lt;i&gt;I believe it was P.J. O’Rourke&lt;/i&gt; 

Another man who would never make such attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>as a fellow fossil I strongly abhor attacks on his physical appearance and the &#8220;out-of-touch&#8221; thing.</i></p>

	<p>&#8220;Out of touch&#8221; is somewhat important when voting for a president.</p>

	<p><i>I believe it was P.J. O&#8217;Rourke</i></p>

	<p>Another man who would never make such attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appros po of my comment about typing pools, I believe it was P.J. O&#039;Rourk who pointed out the savagely ironic fact that the current trend among &quot;the rich&quot; is to spend $90,000 on state of the art kitchens--places where only the servants used to tread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Appros po of my comment about typing pools, I believe it was P.J. O&#8217;Rourk who pointed out the savagely ironic fact that the current trend among &#8220;the rich&#8221; is to spend $90,000 on state of the art kitchens&#8212;places where only the servants used to tread.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, know, to all who read this exchange here, I feel compelled to state that though I am an unrepentant &quot;man of the right,&quot; McCain has never been my cup of tea for many reasons--his inconsistencies, is obvious lack of understanding of economics, his views on immigration and taxes(what ARE they exactly , anyway) and a slew of other things--but as a fellow fossil I strongly abhor attacks on his physical appearance and the &quot;out-of-touch&quot; thing.  If anyone can multi-task, it&#039;s fighter pilots--ex or otherwise.  I am rather amused that the sine qua non of the competent executive is whether he has the skills of a clerk typist--they used to have entire &quot;pools&quot; of people to do that kind of scut work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You, know, to all who read this exchange here, I feel compelled to state that though I am an unrepentant &#8220;man of the right,&#8221; McCain has never been my cup of tea for many reasons&#8212;his inconsistencies, is obvious lack of understanding of economics, his views on immigration and taxes(what <span class="caps">ARE</span> they exactly , anyway) and a slew of other things&#8212;but as a fellow fossil I strongly abhor attacks on his physical appearance and the &#8220;out-of-touch&#8221; thing.  If anyone can multi-task, it&#8217;s fighter pilots&#8212;ex or otherwise.  I am rather amused that the sine qua non of the competent executive is whether he has the skills of a clerk typist&#8212;they used to have entire &#8220;pools&#8221; of people to do that kind of scut work.</p>
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		<title>By: bi -- IJI</title>
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		<dc:creator>bi -- IJI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I could be wrong about this, but if memory serves he was at first reticent to push the POW thing, but has been more or less drawn out about it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If that&#039;s true, and that&#039;s a very big &quot;if&quot;, I can perfectly understand. McCain was totally against it, before he was totally for it!

All of McCain and Palin&#039;s flip-flops are, of course, the fault of those darn librulz. POW! POW! POW! POW! POW! ...

&#160;-- bi, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;International Journal of Inactivism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I could be wrong about this, but if memory serves he was at first reticent to push the <span class="caps">POW</span> thing, but has been more or less drawn out about it</blockquote></p>

	<p>If that&#8217;s true, and that&#8217;s a very big &#8220;if&#8221;, I can perfectly understand. McCain was totally against it, before he was totally for it!</p>

	<p>All of McCain and Palin&#8217;s flip-flops are, of course, the fault of those darn librulz. <span class="caps">POW</span>! POW! <span class="caps">POW</span>! POW! <span class="caps">POW</span>! &#8230;</p>

	<p>&#160;&#8212;bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemuel  pitkin:

Ans: Obviously not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>lemuel  pitkin:</p>

	<p>Ans: Obviously not enough.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS to KAS: Oh, but we&#039;ve already seen the suck-up movie Hollywood made about the exploits of George W. Bush, 41st POTUS and the (volunteer) youngest Navy pilot in WWII, who was shot down and perilously  rescued by a Navy sub. Great movie wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>PS to <span class="caps">KAS</span>: Oh, but we&#8217;ve already seen the suck-up movie Hollywood made about the exploits of George W. Bush, 41st <span class="caps">POTUS</span> and the (volunteer) youngest Navy pilot in <span class="caps">WWII</span>, who was shot down and perilously  rescued by a Navy sub. Great movie wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;332 combat missions will do that. &lt;/i&gt;

How many people do you reckon you killed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>332 combat missions will do that. </i></p>

	<p>How many people do you reckon you killed?</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to KAS:

As a USAF Vietnam-era fossil only slightly younger than McCain  who was fortunate enough not to be shot down and captured I guess I am a tad sensitive on the subject--332 combat missions will do that. My replacement/roommate was shot down and KIA on his first mission--his unpacked bags still sitting on my/his freshly made bed when I got the news as I awaited transportation to the flight-line to board the commercial bird taking me and everyone else whose tour was up that day home--all blind luck, really, me alive, him dead;his first day, my last one.  Sooo------

Now, about your main point.  I could be wrong about this, but if memory serves he was at first reticent to push the POW thing, but has been more or less drawn out about it--unlike John Kerry who milked his 3 month tour of dubious accomplishments for all they were worth right from jump street.  And as I am of an age to well remember JFK
handing out those tacky PT-109 (a 60kt MTB JFK allowed to be cut in half by a 30kt Destroyer) cuff-links and tie-tacks to White House visitors to the great glee and approval of the press--so I am unimpressed by charges of  &quot;stunts&quot; laid against conservative candidates. Gee, I wonder if McCain is elected will Hollywood make a suck-up movie about his war exploits and let him personally pick the actor who will portray him as was done with JFK?  To even ask the question is to answer it.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Reply to <span class="caps">KAS</span>:</p>

	<p>As a <span class="caps">USAF </span>Vietnam-era fossil only slightly younger than McCain  who was fortunate enough not to be shot down and captured I guess I am a tad sensitive on the subject&#8212;332 combat missions will do that. My replacement/roommate was shot down and <span class="caps">KIA</span> on his first mission&#8212;his unpacked bags still sitting on my/his freshly made bed when I got the news as I awaited transportation to the flight-line to board the commercial bird taking me and everyone else whose tour was up that day home&#8212;all blind luck, really, me alive, him dead;his first day, my last one.  Sooo&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Now, about your main point.  I could be wrong about this, but if memory serves he was at first reticent to push the <span class="caps">POW</span> thing, but has been more or less drawn out about it&#8212;unlike John Kerry who milked his 3 month tour of dubious accomplishments for all they were worth right from jump street.  And as I am of an age to well remember <span class="caps">JFK</span><br />
handing out those tacky PT-109 (a 60kt <span class="caps">MTB JFK</span> allowed to be cut in half by a 30kt Destroyer) cuff-links and tie-tacks to White House visitors to the great glee and approval of the press&#8212;so I am unimpressed by charges of  &#8220;stunts&#8221; laid against conservative candidates. Gee, I wonder if McCain is elected will Hollywood make a suck-up movie about his war exploits and let him personally pick the actor who will portray him as was done with <span class="caps">JFK</span>?  To even ask the question is to answer it&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: KAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>KAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>virgil xenophon,

So sorry if I offended you with my sarcasm!  I forgot that being a POW was totally off limits!  I am a Veteran who knows multiple individuals that were injured or deformed, two that died and I knew a handful of SF guys who were short term POW&#039;s.  I was being Cynically humorous about his ridiculous over use of his service and torture that he is using a political stunt combined with the obvious age and &#039;out of touch&#039; persona that a dinosaur implies.  Hence the T-Rex ;)

He is the one tarnishing his service by using it to gain votes, now I.

p.s. I am not a Man, I am an adult &amp; I do partake in serious discussion when the post is serious.

KAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>virgil xenophon,</p>

	<p>So sorry if I offended you with my sarcasm!  I forgot that being a <span class="caps">POW</span> was totally off limits!  I am a Veteran who knows multiple individuals that were injured or deformed, two that died and I knew a handful of SF guys who were short term <span class="caps">POW</span>&#8217;s.  I was being Cynically humorous about his ridiculous over use of his service and torture that he is using a political stunt combined with the obvious age and &#8216;out of touch&#8217; persona that a dinosaur implies.  Hence the T-Rex ;)</p>

	<p>He is the one tarnishing his service by using it to gain votes, now I.</p>

	<p>p.s. I am not a Man, I am an adult &#038; I do partake in serious discussion when the post is serious.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">KAS</span></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dowling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The obvious substitute is a bowl of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pho&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The obvious substitute is a bowl of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho" rel="nofollow">pho</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: bi -- IJI</title>
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		<dc:creator>bi -- IJI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>virgil xenophon gives me an idea:

In McCain&#039;s place, put a big honking record player that repeatedly blares, &quot;I am a POW! I am a POW! I am a POW!&quot; It may also be a good idea to make sure it&#039;s louder than Obama&#039;s voice. End of debate.

&#160;-- bi, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;International Journal of Inactivism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>virgil xenophon gives me an idea:</p>

	<p>In McCain&#8217;s place, put a big honking record player that repeatedly blares, &#8220;I am a <span class="caps">POW</span>! I am a <span class="caps">POW</span>! I am a <span class="caps">POW</span>!&#8221; It may also be a good idea to make sure it&#8217;s louder than Obama&#8217;s voice. End of debate.</p>

	<p>&#160;&#8212;bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich Puchalsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Puchalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to sincerely thank John McCain.  His inept politicization and attention-grabbing debate cancellation so that he could parachute into Washington appear to have sabotaged the bailout deal.  He has done what Senators like Dodd -- who, regrettably, are still too focussed on the idea that they have to be responsible, and fix things -- could not do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would like to sincerely thank John McCain.  His inept politicization and attention-grabbing debate cancellation so that he could parachute into Washington appear to have sabotaged the bailout deal.  He has done what Senators like Dodd&#8212;who, regrettably, are still too focussed on the idea that they have to be responsible, and fix things&#8212;could not do.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Dalek. 

Same origin story, same vocabulary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A Dalek.</p>

	<p>Same origin story, same vocabulary.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;make fun of a veteran who sacrificed for his country and was physically crippled through torture?&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John McCain was not tortured.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>make fun of a veteran who sacrificed for his country and was physically crippled through torture?</i></p>

	<p><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html" rel="nofollow">John McCain was not tortured.</a></p>
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