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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253829</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This economic malaise is not going to be solved by more debt, afterall no one is putting up hard assets, its just more cash from the paper factory, which ultimately goes on the taxpayers account. What does that mean? The economy will be more leveraged than last week. This approach however is necessary, as bank collapses need to be avoided. As long as you hang on to hard assets no problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This economic malaise is not going to be solved by more debt, afterall no one is putting up hard assets, its just more cash from the paper factory, which ultimately goes on the taxpayers account. What does that mean? The economy will be more leveraged than last week. This approach however is necessary, as bank collapses need to be avoided. As long as you hang on to hard assets no problem!</p>
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		<title>By: ehj2</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253797</link>
		<dc:creator>ehj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3QuarksDaily has just posted a link to economist Robert Skidelsky, who is giving the economic &quot;case&quot; for my hope in comment #34, and even some support for the &quot;generational&quot; cycling.

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/skidelsky9/English</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>3QuarksDaily has just posted a link to economist Robert Skidelsky, who is giving the economic &#8220;case&#8221; for my hope in comment #34, and even some support for the &#8220;generational&#8221; cycling.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/skidelsky9/English" rel="nofollow">http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/skidelsky9/English</a></p>
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		<title>By: elementaryteacher</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253774</link>
		<dc:creator>elementaryteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tina Fey just lifted it word for word in her skit (http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-28-tina-sarah-palin-fey-strikes-again) the fact that she didn&#039;t change a word for a parody says so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think Tina Fey just lifted it word for word in her skit (<a href="http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-28-tina-sarah-palin-fey-strikes-again" rel="nofollow">http://perezhilton.com/2008-09-28-tina-sarah-palin-fey-strikes-again</a>) the fact that she didn&#8217;t change a word for a parody says so much.</p>
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		<title>By: ehj2</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253769</link>
		<dc:creator>ehj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kieran,

Given your academic interest in economic sociology, even though I&#039;m off topic here, this is probably the place (and time, in a thread winding down) to post this.

I have the impression generations have to learn things anew, about war, about class-conflict, about anti-intellectualism.

I harbor an optimism that this election, because of the complex involvement of economics and class and war, might be a turning point. This is now an election in which gut instincts about national security and foreign threats don&#039;t cut it.  The economic crisis is riveting and personal, and forces people to observe that governance is complicated, that real knowledge is essential, that having good advisors is critical -- and that the morons on television are useless at explaining what&#039;s going on and we must demand better.

Maybe, hopefully, possibly. We need an end to anti-intellectualism, and perhaps the confluence of this economic crisis and this election frames a beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kieran,</p>

	<p>Given your academic interest in economic sociology, even though I&#8217;m off topic here, this is probably the place (and time, in a thread winding down) to post this.</p>

	<p>I have the impression generations have to learn things anew, about war, about class-conflict, about anti-intellectualism.</p>

	<p>I harbor an optimism that this election, because of the complex involvement of economics and class and war, might be a turning point. This is now an election in which gut instincts about national security and foreign threats don&#8217;t cut it.&#160; The economic crisis is riveting and personal, and forces people to observe that governance is complicated, that real knowledge is essential, that having good advisors is critical&#8212;and that the morons on television are useless at explaining what&#8217;s going on and we must demand better.</p>

	<p>Maybe, hopefully, possibly. We need an end to anti-intellectualism, and perhaps the confluence of this economic crisis and this election frames a beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253707</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did that happen? Didn&#039;t intend the strike-out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How did that happen? Didn&#8217;t intend the strike-out.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253706</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, J Thomas @29 gets down to where the psychology of financial institutions&#039; rubber hits the road. A classic precursor to all of this--pre-dating even Enron--was the AAA -rated issue of  WPPSS (Washington Public Power Supply System) muni bonds, or  &quot;WHOOPS&quot; bonds as they were called on Wall Street. (a more apt acronym  was never created) Merrill Lynch and Dean Witter flogged them for all they were worth up until the day of the collapse of the power authority, and the ratings agencies maintained their triple A  rating to the very end also. Tens of thousands of retirees put their life&#039;s savings into these bonds and lost everything--while brokers raked in the fees--WHOOPS?!

How did the WHOOPS thing happen? As J Thomas says--Rules of the Game. Their AAA rating was based on a supposedly iron-clad &quot;take-or pay&quot; legal contract that municipalities had signed to buy power from a series of 5 nuclear power plants being built. Despite constant reports of cost overruns and the likely-hood that some would be canceled, the bond&#039;s ratings were maintained with the &quot;iron-clad&quot; contract cited as the reason. And bond sales continued likewise, citing their AAA rating as a reason. Brokers who voiced fears that if the project went Tango Uniform those contracts would be broken no matter what the words on the paper said were told that: &quot;theirs is not to reason why.&quot; etc., i.e., KEEP SELLING! Naturally, the project failed, the municipalities went to court and won, and the value of the bonds went to zero--along with the value of thousands of retirement accounts worth of life&#039;s savings--WHOOPS!  A perfect example of the way life really works according to J Thomas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Once again, J Thomas @29 gets down to where the psychology of financial institutions&#8217; rubber hits the road. A classic precursor to all of this&#8212;pre-dating even Enron&#8212;was the <span class="caps">AAA </span><del>rated issue of  <span class="caps">WPPSS </span>(Washington Public Power Supply System) muni bonds, or  &#8220;WHOOPS&#8221; bonds as they were called on Wall Street. (a more apt acronym  was never created) Merrill Lynch and Dean Witter flogged them for all they were worth up until the day of the collapse of the power authority, and the ratings agencies maintained their triple A  rating to the very end also. Tens of thousands of retirees put their life&#8217;s savings into these bonds and lost everything</del>-while brokers raked in the fees&#8212;WHOOPS?!</p>

	<p>How did the <span class="caps">WHOOPS</span> thing happen? As J Thomas says&#8212;Rules of the Game. Their <span class="caps">AAA</span> rating was based on a supposedly iron-clad &#8220;take-or pay&#8221; legal contract that municipalities had signed to buy power from a series of 5 nuclear power plants being built. Despite constant reports of cost overruns and the likely-hood that some would be canceled, the bond&#8217;s ratings were maintained with the &#8220;iron-clad&#8221; contract cited as the reason. And bond sales continued likewise, citing their <span class="caps">AAA</span> rating as a reason. Brokers who voiced fears that if the project went Tango Uniform those contracts would be broken no matter what the words on the paper said were told that: &#8220;theirs is not to reason why.&#8221; etc., i.e., <span class="caps">KEEP SELLING</span>! Naturally, the project failed, the municipalities went to court and won, and the value of the bonds went to zero&#8212;along with the value of thousands of retirement accounts worth of life&#8217;s savings&#8212;WHOOPS!  A perfect example of the way life really works according to J Thomas.</p>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253682</link>
		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What’s special about America is that even a large subset of the supposedly smart people are dangerously idiotic – see the crisis on Wall Street.&lt;/i&gt;

It was the rules of the game.

The players mostly don&#039;t get to make the rules. So the rules said, you could do this stuff that would cause trouble later and make a lot of money, or you could do safe things and make a little bit of money and then get fired because you didn&#039;t make enough money.

A whole lot of people knew there was trouble coming. But *this quarter* you either made your money, or else you got out of the game. And if you got out of the game five years ago when it was clear the trouble was coming eventually, that was five years of bonuses etc you didn&#039;t get.

Is it worse than our military guys who&#039;ve known for 30+ years that MAD won&#039;t work in the long run and we&#039;re going to eventually have a global thermonuclear war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What&#8217;s special about America is that even a large subset of the supposedly smart people are dangerously idiotic &#8211; see the crisis on Wall Street.</i></p>

	<p>It was the rules of the game.</p>

	<p>The players mostly don&#8217;t get to make the rules. So the rules said, you could do this stuff that would cause trouble later and make a lot of money, or you could do safe things and make a little bit of money and then get fired because you didn&#8217;t make enough money.</p>

	<p>A whole lot of people knew there was trouble coming. But <strong>this quarter</strong> you either made your money, or else you got out of the game. And if you got out of the game five years ago when it was clear the trouble was coming eventually, that was five years of bonuses etc you didn&#8217;t get.</p>

	<p>Is it worse than our military guys who&#8217;ve known for 30+ years that <span class="caps">MAD</span> won&#8217;t work in the long run and we&#8217;re going to eventually have a global thermonuclear war?</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253675</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but my country, dangerously idiotic...&quot;

What&#039;s special about America is that even a large subset of the supposedly smart people are dangerously idiotic - see the crisis on Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;&#8230;but my country, dangerously idiotic&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>What&#8217;s special about America is that even a large subset of the supposedly smart people are dangerously idiotic &#8211; see the crisis on Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bogart</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253671</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Bogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this a violation of copyright?  You socialists, always stealing property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Isn&#8217;t this a violation of copyright?  You socialists, always stealing property.</p>
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		<title>By: ehj2</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253669</link>
		<dc:creator>ehj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite painful to watch the Republicans put up two of the dumbest people imaginable and rub my face in the fact that even so, 40% of the country will choose them. My problem is not McCain/Palin, who are just dangerous idiots oblivious to my disdain, but my country, dangerously idiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s quite painful to watch the Republicans put up two of the dumbest people imaginable and rub my face in the fact that even so, 40% of the country will choose them. My problem is not McCain/Palin, who are just dangerous idiots oblivious to my disdain, but my country, dangerously idiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253663</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice accent though. I just love her &quot;huntin&#039;&quot; and &quot;weddin&#039;&quot; stuff. &quot;I&#039;ll brin&#039; it to ya&quot;. I bet when she says &quot;poottin&#039; it back on the right track&quot;, it sounds beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice accent though. I just love her &#8220;huntin&#8217;&#8221; and &#8220;weddin&#8217;&#8221; stuff. &#8220;I&#8217;ll brin&#8217; it to ya&#8221;. I bet when she says &#8220;poottin&#8217; it back on the right track&#8221;, it sounds beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253662</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s trying &lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5795641&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to top&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;GIBSON: And you didn&#039;t say to yourself, &quot;Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?&quot;

PALIN: I didn&#039;t hesitate, no.

GIBSON: Didn&#039;t that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can&#039;t blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we&#039;re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can&#039;t blink. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>She&#8217;s trying <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5795641&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">to top</a>:</p>

	<p><em><span class="caps">GIBSON</span>: And you didn&#8217;t say to yourself, &#8220;Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I&#8212;will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?&#8221;</em></p>

	<p><span class="caps">PALIN</span>: I didn&#8217;t hesitate, no.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">GIBSON</span>: Didn&#8217;t that take some hubris?</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PALIN</span>: I&#8212;I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can&#8217;t blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we&#8217;re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can&#8217;t blink. </p>
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		<title>By: ehj2</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253660</link>
		<dc:creator>ehj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly too late, but you might want to throw an extra dollop of Courvoisier in your corn flakes before reading (regarding 22).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Possibly too late, but you might want to throw an extra dollop of Courvoisier in your corn flakes before reading (regarding 22).</p>
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		<title>By: ehj2</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253659</link>
		<dc:creator>ehj2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been hoping we&#039;d get some glimpse of the IMF opinion:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/new-imf-study-of-banking-crises.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve been hoping we&#8217;d get some glimpse of the <span class="caps">IMF</span> opinion:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/new-imf-study-of-banking-crises.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/new-imf-study-of-banking-crises.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/09/26/my-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-253658</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank: Oh, yes.</description>
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