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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin speaks in text clouds.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Hanks</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254845</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised nobody&#039;s  mentioned Slim Gaillard&#039;s Vout: now that&#039;s quality gibbering.

Also, and more patriotically, The Fast Show&#039;s Chanel 9 Neus - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0. 

There&#039;s a good selection of literary examples in the Chatto Book of Nonsense Poetry, edited by Hugh Haughtoneroonie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m surprised nobody&#8217;s  mentioned Slim Gaillard&#8217;s Vout: now that&#8217;s quality gibbering.</p>

	<p>Also, and more patriotically, The Fast Show&#8217;s Chanel 9 Neus &#8211; <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0</a>.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s a good selection of literary examples in the Chatto Book of Nonsense Poetry, edited by Hugh Haughtoneroonie.</p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254753</link>
		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin has difficulty speaking off-script on semi-weighty matters because she needs &#039;pointers&#039; and other cues to keep her on track. She can do improv but most easily when the subject is &#039;Joe Six Pack&#039; or when engaging in some other folksy cliche-laden claptrap because she&#039;s all about the folks ... out there ... somewhere.

The Couric interview illustrates what happens when she gets caught without her ducks lined up ... the waffling becomes almost satellite-like in its orbit. But even when talking complete and utter shite, she still manages to put on an expression that suggests she is imparting something we all desperately need to know - which I suppose is simply doing what politicians do. 

Worst of all is the rhyming couplety student voice that goes up and down - sort of like a 10th grader reciting by rote. The voice seems detached from her brain, which is why it is so irritating ... also because it is piercing (notice I didn&#039;t say &#039;shrill&#039;). No matter how superficially informed it seems, you know that deep down Palinochio is really a complex hybrid - part-human, part-parrot and part-witchhunter cult member.

The one hope is that while shooting wolves from a helicopter, she falls out and impales herself on the antler of a passing elk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Palin has difficulty speaking off-script on semi-weighty matters because she needs &#8216;pointers&#8217; and other cues to keep her on track. She can do improv but most easily when the subject is &#8216;Joe Six Pack&#8217; or when engaging in some other folksy cliche-laden claptrap because she&#8217;s all about the folks &#8230; out there &#8230; somewhere.</p>

	<p>The Couric interview illustrates what happens when she gets caught without her ducks lined up &#8230; the waffling becomes almost satellite-like in its orbit. But even when talking complete and utter shite, she still manages to put on an expression that suggests she is imparting something we all desperately need to know &#8211; which I suppose is simply doing what politicians do.</p>

	<p>Worst of all is the rhyming couplety student voice that goes up and down &#8211; sort of like a 10th grader reciting by rote. The voice seems detached from her brain, which is why it is so irritating &#8230; also because it is piercing (notice I didn&#8217;t say &#8216;shrill&#8217;). No matter how superficially informed it seems, you know that deep down Palinochio is really a complex hybrid &#8211; part-human, part-parrot and part-witchhunter cult member.</p>

	<p>The one hope is that while shooting wolves from a helicopter, she falls out and impales herself on the antler of a passing elk.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (not the famous one)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254730</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry (not the famous one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s not speaking in tongues, she&#039;s not speaking in code, she&#039;s speaking BACKWARDS. As a commenter on another blog (not me, I wish it were) has pointed out, her off-the-cuff comments make more sense when read backwards:

Forward:
&quot;As we send our young men and women overseas in a war zone to fight for democracy and freedoms, including freedom of the press, we&#039;ve really got to have a mutually beneficial relationship here with those fighting the freedom of the press, and then the press, though not taking advantage and exploiting a situation, perhaps they would want to capture and abuse the privilege. We just want truth, we want fairness, we want balance.&quot;

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&quot;We just want truth, we want fairness, we want balance. Perhaps they would want to capture and abuse the privilege, though not taking advantage and exploiting a situation here, with those fighting the freedom of the press. And then the press, we&#039;ve really got to have a mutually beneficial relationship, including freedom of the press, to fight for democracy and freedoms, as we send our young men and women overseas in a war zone.&quot;

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015023.php#1385826</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>She&#8217;s not speaking in tongues, she&#8217;s not speaking in code, she&#8217;s speaking <span class="caps">BACKWARDS</span>. As a commenter on another blog (not me, I wish it were) has pointed out, her off-the-cuff comments make more sense when read backwards:</p>

	<p>Forward:<br />
&#8220;As we send our young men and women overseas in a war zone to fight for democracy and freedoms, including freedom of the press, we&#8217;ve really got to have a mutually beneficial relationship here with those fighting the freedom of the press, and then the press, though not taking advantage and exploiting a situation, perhaps they would want to capture and abuse the privilege. We just want truth, we want fairness, we want balance.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Backward<br />
&#8220;We just want truth, we want fairness, we want balance. Perhaps they would want to capture and abuse the privilege, though not taking advantage and exploiting a situation here, with those fighting the freedom of the press. And then the press, we&#8217;ve really got to have a mutually beneficial relationship, including freedom of the press, to fight for democracy and freedoms, as we send our young men and women overseas in a war zone.&#8221;</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015023.php#1385826" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015023.php#1385826</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254720</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Babies hear a lot of gibberish and often find it very comforting, because it’s coming from mom, or someone momlike.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

That&#039;s surely true to some extent, but it&#039;s more complicated.  See for example various things &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.eurekalert.org/e3/query.html?col=ev3rel&amp;ht=0&amp;qp=&amp;qt=baby+talk&amp;qs=&amp;qc=ev3rel&amp;pw=100%25&amp;ws=0&amp;qm=0&amp;st=1&amp;nh=10&amp;lk=1&amp;rf=0&amp;rq=0&amp;si=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about how the fundamentals of &quot;baby talk&quot; appear to be cross-cultural, cross-&lt;i&gt;species&lt;/i&gt;, and specially suited to helping babies learn language. 

Palinese, on the other hand, seems to have some of the opposite attributes . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;<i>Babies hear a lot of gibberish and often find it very comforting, because it&#8217;s coming from mom, or someone momlike.</i>&#8221;</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s surely true to some extent, but it&#8217;s more complicated.  See for example various things <a href="http://search.eurekalert.org/e3/query.html?col=ev3rel&#038;ht=0&#038;qp=&#038;qt=baby+talk&#038;qs=&#038;qc=ev3rel&#038;pw=100%25&#038;ws=0&#038;qm=0&#038;st=1&#038;nh=10&#038;lk=1&#038;rf=0&#038;rq=0&#038;si=1" rel="nofollow">here</a> about how the fundamentals of &#8220;baby talk&#8221; appear to be cross-cultural, cross-<i>species</i>, and specially suited to helping babies learn language.</p>

	<p>Palinese, on the other hand, seems to have some of the opposite attributes . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254714</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gibberish in Palin’s context is disconcerting to those of us whose minds still work, but to the stunned and bewildered of the lower right it’s probably pretty reassuring. 

Maybe she&#039;s speaking in tongues?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Gibberish in Palin&#8217;s context is disconcerting to those of us whose minds still work, but to the stunned and bewildered of the lower right it&#8217;s probably pretty reassuring.</i></p>

	<p>Maybe she&#8217;s speaking in tongues?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254710</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is currently being done at PBS - Now asking if Palin is qualified.  When I just looked the results were 49% yes, 49% no, and 2% don&#039;t have a clue.

vote/view &gt; http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is currently being done at <span class="caps">PBS </span>- Now asking if Palin is qualified.  When I just looked the results were 49% yes, 49% no, and 2% don&#8217;t have a clue.</p>

	<p>vote/view > <a href="http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254709</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scat singing is gibberish, Ella Fitzgerald vocalized across whole stanzas without making any sense at all. 
Babies hear a lot of gibberish and often find it very comforting, because it&#039;s coming from mom, or someone momlike. 
 Gibberish in Palin&#039;s context is disconcerting to those of us whose minds still work, but to the stunned and bewildered of the lower right it&#039;s probably pretty reassuring. Coming in on a wink and a prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Scat singing is gibberish, Ella Fitzgerald vocalized across whole stanzas without making any sense at all.<br />
Babies hear a lot of gibberish and often find it very comforting, because it&#8217;s coming from mom, or someone momlike.<br />
Gibberish in Palin&#8217;s context is disconcerting to those of us whose minds still work, but to the stunned and bewildered of the lower right it&#8217;s probably pretty reassuring. Coming in on a wink and a prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254708</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As terribly executed a film as &lt;i&gt;Idiocracy&lt;/i&gt; was, its premise was compelling because of what&#039;s being said here. We&#039;ve reached oversaturation. Each additional fact subtracts from the whole of &quot;knowledge.&quot;

If they just could have had a script and some actors, &lt;i&gt;Idiocracy&lt;/i&gt; could have been a great film. But I suppose the same could be said for &lt;i&gt;Freddy Got Fingered&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As terribly executed a film as <i>Idiocracy</i> was, its premise was compelling because of what&#8217;s being said here. We&#8217;ve reached oversaturation. Each additional fact subtracts from the whole of &#8220;knowledge.&#8221;</p>

	<p>If they just could have had a script and some actors, <i>Idiocracy</i> could have been a great film. But I suppose the same could be said for <i>Freddy Got Fingered</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254705</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;It can easily be argued that unidirectional information media tightly controlled by the plutocracy are far more pernicious than bidirectional&#039;&#039;

Hey, you know, Greenspan still sees little need for regulation, we just need more honorable folks.  If we had eliminated ships and navies centuries ago we would have put a stop to empire building.  Hammers don&#039;t hit thumbs, people do.  I&#039;m not saying the medium is not abused and largely corrupt, only that it&#039;s the human factor not the tool; those who seek to corrupt will regardless of media, if allowed.  The net does allow for your bidirectional inputs but is also readily corruptible if/when allowed.  Digital bidirectional capabilities work both ways and offers new, quite scary potential.  We know those in the &#039;neutral&#039; middle are not always, and that money can sway in ways altruism never dreamed of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;&#8217;It can easily be argued that unidirectional information media tightly controlled by the plutocracy are far more pernicious than bidirectional&#8217;&#8217;</p>

	<p>Hey, you know, Greenspan still sees little need for regulation, we just need more honorable folks.  If we had eliminated ships and navies centuries ago we would have put a stop to empire building.  Hammers don&#8217;t hit thumbs, people do.  I&#8217;m not saying the medium is not abused and largely corrupt, only that it&#8217;s the human factor not the tool; those who seek to corrupt will regardless of media, if allowed.  The net does allow for your bidirectional inputs but is also readily corruptible if/when allowed.  Digital bidirectional capabilities work both ways and offers new, quite scary potential.  We know those in the &#8216;neutral&#8217; middle are not always, and that money can sway in ways altruism never dreamed of.</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254692</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;TV has been [mis]used&lt;/i&gt;

I believe in instrumentality effects. Crimes of passion are more serious when firearms are involved, as are international confrontations when nuclear weapons are available.

Internet activity is bidirectional. TV watching is unidirectional. It can easily be argued that unidirectional information media tightly controlled by the plutocracy are far more pernicious than bidirectional media with no central control. Commercial TV broadcasting is intrinsically corrosive to informed discourse because of its unidirectional and capital-intensive nature. It is a perfect propaganda tool, and that is why it has dominated and degraded American politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>TV has been [mis]used</i></p>

	<p>I believe in instrumentality effects. Crimes of passion are more serious when firearms are involved, as are international confrontations when nuclear weapons are available.</p>

	<p>Internet activity is bidirectional. TV watching is unidirectional. It can easily be argued that unidirectional information media tightly controlled by the plutocracy are far more pernicious than bidirectional media with no central control. Commercial TV broadcasting is intrinsically corrosive to informed discourse because of its unidirectional and capital-intensive nature. It is a perfect propaganda tool, and that is why it has dominated and degraded American politics.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254687</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HH&gt; &#039;&#039;How has TV poisoned our politics and society? &#039;&#039;
or
How the way TV has been [mis]used to poison our politics and society. 

In twenty years they&#039;ll likely be saying the same about the internet, who knows though, by then 90% of capacity could be 3-D porn and nobody will remember to ask the question.  Seems to be a similar argument to, &quot;government is the problem.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>HH> &#8216;&#8217;How has TV poisoned our politics and society? &#8216;&#8217;<br />
or<br />
How the way TV has been [mis]used to poison our politics and society.</p>

	<p>In twenty years they&#8217;ll likely be saying the same about the internet, who knows though, by then 90% of capacity could be 3-D porn and nobody will remember to ask the question.  Seems to be a similar argument to, &#8220;government is the problem.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: David in NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first heard Palin, I thought, &quot;My God, Prof. Irwin Corey had a daughter?? Who knew??&quot;  She makes exactly as much sense as he does (but the Prof&#039;s personal politics are better):  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Corey ;  http://www.irwincorey.org/  .

(Corey has been compared to Unwin.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When I first heard Palin, I thought, &#8220;My God, Prof. Irwin Corey had a daughter?? Who knew??&#8221;  She makes exactly as much sense as he does (but the Prof&#8217;s personal politics are better):  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Corey" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Corey</a> ;  <a href="http://www.irwincorey.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.irwincorey.org/</a>  .</p>

	<p>(Corey has been compared to Unwin.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One need only watch what passes for &#039;expert commentary&#039; on CNN, which appears to be made up of partisans shouting soundbites at each other, to appreciate the mature deliberation of, for example, the BBC&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Newsnight&lt;/i&gt;, where occasionally people manage to speak in whole paragraphs. The points in #11 may not be exclusively a US disease, but the USA has it much worse than the Mother Country. And let&#039;s not start in on France, where they have whole channels devoted to paragraph-spouting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One need only watch what passes for &#8216;expert commentary&#8217; on <span class="caps">CNN</span>, which appears to be made up of partisans shouting soundbites at each other, to appreciate the mature deliberation of, for example, the <span class="caps">BBC</span>&#8217;s <i>Newsnight</i>, where occasionally people manage to speak in whole paragraphs. The points in #11 may not be exclusively a US disease, but the <span class="caps">USA</span> has it much worse than the Mother Country. And let&#8217;s not start in on France, where they have whole channels devoted to paragraph-spouting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/gibberish/comment-page-1/#comment-254672</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How has TV poisoned our politics and society? Let me count the ways:

1. The Leni Riefenstahl effect: magnifying the emotional impact of theatrical propaganda displays arousing primitive emotions.

2. The Attention Deficit Disorder effect: conditioning people to consume facts and decide on them in 30 and 60 second commercial spots.

3. The Superficiality effect: collapsing evaluation of an individual&#039;s character into a TV personality that must be instantly agreeable to the befuddled viewer.

4. The Production Values effect: conditioning people to endorse the most attractively produced message.

5. The Dueling Sophistry effect: programming people to believe that there are knowledgeable &quot;experts&quot; on both sides of every controversy, and alternative &quot;truths.&quot;

In Neil Postman&#039;s words, TV has amused us to (societal) death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How has TV poisoned our politics and society? Let me count the ways:</p>

	<p>1. The Leni Riefenstahl effect: magnifying the emotional impact of theatrical propaganda displays arousing primitive emotions.</p>

	<p>2. The Attention Deficit Disorder effect: conditioning people to consume facts and decide on them in 30 and 60 second commercial spots.</p>

	<p>3. The Superficiality effect: collapsing evaluation of an individual&#8217;s character into a TV personality that must be instantly agreeable to the befuddled viewer.</p>

	<p>4. The Production Values effect: conditioning people to endorse the most attractively produced message.</p>

	<p>5. The Dueling Sophistry effect: programming people to believe that there are knowledgeable &#8220;experts&#8221; on both sides of every controversy, and alternative &#8220;truths.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In Neil Postman&#8217;s words, TV has amused us to (societal) death.</p>
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