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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Plausibility plus Watching Watchmen</title>
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		<title>By: Josh in Philly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/obamas-plausibility-plus-watching-watchmen/comment-page-1/#comment-254908</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JH, forgive me if I&#039;ve agreed with you on this before, but I &lt;i&gt;absolutely&lt;/i&gt; share your reservations about &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt;.  Felt the same when I read it twenty years ago, and continue to think that &lt;i&gt;Swamp Thing&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;V for Vendetta&lt;/i&gt; hold up a lot better.  &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt; requires &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; much suspension of disbelief at the strangest times (long after it&#039;s halfway over, we&#039;re told that the rules of its universe allow for a decapitated telepath to power the monster) and asks us to tolerate so many dimbulb characters (&quot;a quantum miracle&quot; --dude, that&#039;s deep!) and, yes, has such clunky dialogue that its basic conceit of Silver Age heroes operating in a more historically and psychologically realistic world than we&#039;re used to doesn&#039;t hold up.

That said, I still find the visuals as rendered by Gibbons oddly moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JH, forgive me if I&#8217;ve agreed with you on this before, but I <i>absolutely</i> share your reservations about <i>Watchmen</i>.  Felt the same when I read it twenty years ago, and continue to think that <i>Swamp Thing</i> and <i>V for Vendetta</i> hold up a lot better.  <i>Watchmen</i> requires <i>so</i> much suspension of disbelief at the strangest times (long after it&#8217;s halfway over, we&#8217;re told that the rules of its universe allow for a decapitated telepath to power the monster) and asks us to tolerate so many dimbulb characters (&#8220;a quantum miracle&#8221;&#8212;dude, that&#8217;s deep!) and, yes, has such clunky dialogue that its basic conceit of Silver Age heroes operating in a more historically and psychologically realistic world than we&#8217;re used to doesn&#8217;t hold up.</p>

	<p>That said, I still find the visuals as rendered by Gibbons oddly moving.</p>
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		<title>By: karen marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>today&#039;s video of a mccain rally shows a tired, scared old man trying to stamp out the fire he started</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>today&#8217;s video of a mccain rally shows a tired, scared old man trying to stamp out the fire he started</p>
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		<title>By: Seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/obamas-plausibility-plus-watching-watchmen/comment-page-1/#comment-254769</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Marshall &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223346.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;This is not a laughing matter. So I want to be clear what I was alluding to when I referred to &quot;borderline criminal incitement.&quot; John McCain has a first amendment right to smear and (at least free of criminal penalties) slander Barack Obama by suggesting he&#039;s in league with terrorists. But as we&#039;ve seen many times, even offhandedly threatening comments directed at a Secret Service protected individual, can earn you a visit from the guys with the earpieces. And McCain and Palin are now routinely holding rallies in which they whip supporters into such a delirium by castigating Obama as a dangerous terrorist-lover that members of the audience shout what can very reasonably be interpreted as threats against Obama&#039;s safety. Am I saying they&#039;re breaking the law? No. But I do think they&#039;re nudging up against the envelope and getting near that line beyond which, if McCain were not a presidential candidate, his rallies would be getting some attention from those charged with protecting Obama&#039;s safety.)&lt;/blockquote&gt; The lightweights at the Corner are not the issue at this point, any more than McCain&#039;s honesty.  There&#039;s simple dishonesty and then there&#039;s poison,  According the WSJ today even some of McCain&#039;s people are worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Josh Marshall <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223346.php" rel="nofollow">again</a><blockquote><br />
&#8220;This is not a laughing matter. So I want to be clear what I was alluding to when I referred to &#8220;borderline criminal incitement.&#8221; John McCain has a first amendment right to smear and (at least free of criminal penalties) slander Barack Obama by suggesting he&#8217;s in league with terrorists. But as we&#8217;ve seen many times, even offhandedly threatening comments directed at a Secret Service protected individual, can earn you a visit from the guys with the earpieces. And McCain and Palin are now routinely holding rallies in which they whip supporters into such a delirium by castigating Obama as a dangerous terrorist-lover that members of the audience shout what can very reasonably be interpreted as threats against Obama&#8217;s safety. Am I saying they&#8217;re breaking the law? No. But I do think they&#8217;re nudging up against the envelope and getting near that line beyond which, if McCain were not a presidential candidate, his rallies would be getting some attention from those charged with protecting Obama&#8217;s safety.)</blockquote> The lightweights at the Corner are not the issue at this point, any more than McCain&#8217;s honesty.  There&#8217;s simple dishonesty and then there&#8217;s poison,  According the <span class="caps">WSJ</span> today even some of McCain&#8217;s people are worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watchmen is dated, no doubt.  So is... I dunno Charles Dickens? Insert your favourite long dead author.  Classics tend to be old, styles change, and the first guy to do something generally produces a pretty rough version.  Have you seen the trailer for the live action Watchmen film? All I can say is that it better not suck.  But the &quot;motion comics&quot; leaves me cold.

Now, as for Obama... recall that for years Republicans have played politics of wink, wink, nod, nod.  Sane people were made to believe that *surely* the Republican candidates didn&#039;t take all that end times folk religion stuff seriously, while the less savoury parts of the American electorate were led to believe that Republicans didn&#039;t take rhetoric on civil and human rights seriously.  So, the idea that a politician might actually think or believe some of the things they say is a bit of a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Watchmen is dated, no doubt.  So is&#8230; I dunno Charles Dickens? Insert your favourite long dead author.  Classics tend to be old, styles change, and the first guy to do something generally produces a pretty rough version.  Have you seen the trailer for the live action Watchmen film? All I can say is that it better not suck.  But the &#8220;motion comics&#8221; leaves me cold.</p>

	<p>Now, as for Obama&#8230; recall that for years Republicans have played politics of wink, wink, nod, nod.  Sane people were made to believe that <strong>surely</strong> the Republican candidates didn&#8217;t take all that end times folk religion stuff seriously, while the less savoury parts of the American electorate were led to believe that Republicans didn&#8217;t take rhetoric on civil and human rights seriously.  So, the idea that a politician might actually think or believe some of the things they say is a bit of a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Weeden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Weeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Obama should show anger. Someone said, apropos BO, that an angry black man wasn&#039;t going to win the Presidency ever. Not many angry candidates win. I think the last angry President was Nixon, and he&#039;s no role model. Calm is what one needs in a crisis.

I agree about the right-wing blogs. What I can&#039;t understand is what they&#039;re angry &lt;em&gt;about&lt;/em&gt;. And that N-word may not &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/oreilly-goes-th.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;be far off&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think Obama should show anger. Someone said, apropos BO, that an angry black man wasn&#8217;t going to win the Presidency ever. Not many angry candidates win. I think the last angry President was Nixon, and he&#8217;s no role model. Calm is what one needs in a crisis.</p>

	<p>I agree about the right-wing blogs. What I can&#8217;t understand is what they&#8217;re angry <em>about</em>. And that N-word may not <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/oreilly-goes-th.html" rel="nofollow">be far off</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/obamas-plausibility-plus-watching-watchmen/comment-page-1/#comment-254712</link>
		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats moved  to the right for 30 years, but all it did was make the right-wing base more angry.   It made the awkward relations of cultural conservatives and economic liberals in the Republican party more difficult to manage.   What&#039;s happened now was predictable by the 90&#039;s  when Gingrich expressed frustration that Clinton had stolen all his ideas from republican playbook.  If issues are what&#039;s important then what&#039;s the problem?

For the Republicans  politics is now the only principle;  backing a party has become  the equivalent of backing a sports team.   They&#039;ve reduced  themselves to the status of football hooligans, while the bookish ones[sic] try desperately to find a way to give their anger a moral and philosophical foundation. 
Josh Marshall asks today, apropos more &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223228.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;outbursts&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;How long till the N-word?&quot; 
Obama has to be careful.   I don&#039;t know if he should keep playing it as cool as he is, or if he should show a little more anger.  I&#039;ve been spending a lot of time on right wing blogs and it&#039;s scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Democrats moved  to the right for 30 years, but all it did was make the right-wing base more angry.   It made the awkward relations of cultural conservatives and economic liberals in the Republican party more difficult to manage.   What&#8217;s happened now was predictable by the 90&#8217;s  when Gingrich expressed frustration that Clinton had stolen all his ideas from republican playbook.  If issues are what&#8217;s important then what&#8217;s the problem?</p>

	<p>For the Republicans  politics is now the only principle;  backing a party has become  the equivalent of backing a sports team.   They&#8217;ve reduced  themselves to the status of football hooligans, while the bookish ones[sic] try desperately to find a way to give their anger a moral and philosophical foundation.<br />
Josh Marshall asks today, apropos more <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223228.php" rel="nofollow">outbursts</a>: &#8220;How long till the N-word?&#8221;<br />
Obama has to be careful.   I don&#8217;t know if he should keep playing it as cool as he is, or if he should show a little more anger.  I&#8217;ve been spending a lot of time on right wing blogs and it&#8217;s scary.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to add to the Obama plausibility debate, but it&#039;s nice to hear from someone else who re-read &quot;Watchmen&quot; recently and found the comic felt somewhat dated.  All my highbrow fanboy friends were shocked into speechlessness when I made a similar discovery recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have nothing to add to the Obama plausibility debate, but it&#8217;s nice to hear from someone else who re-read &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; recently and found the comic felt somewhat dated.  All my highbrow fanboy friends were shocked into speechlessness when I made a similar discovery recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John writes:
&quot; Obama were more or less what he appears to be, namely, a left liberal Dem, there would no longer be any objection to him from the likes of Andy McCarthy. There are no serious objections – not even bad ones, so far as I can tell – to the general policy directions Obama favors. There is a complete lack of engagement with anything remotely resembling what Democrats might actually want, or propose, or enact&quot;

This is key to understanding the Corners reaction to Obama.  They need to turn him into a terrorist to justify not supporting him and maintaining with a straight face that conservativism is the only legitimate ideology.  I think this is evidence of part identification becoming such an controlling mechanism that it leads to this kind of madness.   McCarthy needs to hate Obama, he needs to affirm that adherence to conservative movement is the one true &quot;faith&quot;  every one else is an infidel.  Wait. . . . thats not what I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John writes:<br />
&#8221; Obama were more or less what he appears to be, namely, a left liberal Dem, there would no longer be any objection to him from the likes of Andy McCarthy. There are no serious objections &#8211; not even bad ones, so far as I can tell &#8211; to the general policy directions Obama favors. There is a complete lack of engagement with anything remotely resembling what Democrats might actually want, or propose, or enact&#8221;</p>

	<p>This is key to understanding the Corners reaction to Obama.  They need to turn him into a terrorist to justify not supporting him and maintaining with a straight face that conservativism is the only legitimate ideology.  I think this is evidence of part identification becoming such an controlling mechanism that it leads to this kind of madness.   McCarthy needs to hate Obama, he needs to affirm that adherence to conservative movement is the one true &#8220;faith&#8221;  every one else is an infidel.  Wait. . . . thats not what I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: christian h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weird thing is that Obama is, of ourse, even less radical than he appears. You really can&#039;t get any more establishment moderate than he is. (Warren Buffet as Treasury Secratary - really?) Whenever the rightwing morons speculate about Obama&#039;s secret radical plans, I say &quot;I wish!&quot;

The Chicago angle is the weirdest of all - there is nothing radical at all about Chicago politics. It&#039;s straightforward corporatism, exactly the kind of thing you&#039;d think cornerites would love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The weird thing is that Obama is, of ourse, even less radical than he appears. You really can&#8217;t get any more establishment moderate than he is. (Warren Buffet as Treasury Secratary &#8211; really?) Whenever the rightwing morons speculate about Obama&#8217;s secret radical plans, I say &#8220;I wish!&#8221;</p>

	<p>The Chicago angle is the weirdest of all &#8211; there is nothing radical at all about Chicago politics. It&#8217;s straightforward corporatism, exactly the kind of thing you&#8217;d think cornerites would love.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why would Congress ever accept a privatisation plan that means pain now when the alternative is to raise taxes by a few points maybe in two decades time or more?&lt;/i&gt;

Of course if anyone in Congress was concerned about fairness they would raise taxes and social security contributions now - firstly because doing so means the tax raises won&#039;t have to be as big, and also to avoid a massive redistribution from future social security contributors to current contributors. Of course you can say this about the government keeping taxes low while running deficits higher than GDP growth (absent some compelling need, like WWII or possibly climate change) - again you are redistributing wealth from future generations. I wonder how many people would feel good about planning to reach retirement with lots of debt and then live off their children and grandchildrens earnings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Why would Congress ever accept a privatisation plan that means pain now when the alternative is to raise taxes by a few points maybe in two decades time or more?</i></p>

	<p>Of course if anyone in Congress was concerned about fairness they would raise taxes and social security contributions now &#8211; firstly because doing so means the tax raises won&#8217;t have to be as big, and also to avoid a massive redistribution from future social security contributors to current contributors. Of course you can say this about the government keeping taxes low while running deficits higher than <span class="caps">GDP</span> growth (absent some compelling need, like <span class="caps">WWII</span> or possibly climate change) &#8211; again you are redistributing wealth from future generations. I wonder how many people would feel good about planning to reach retirement with lots of debt and then live off their children and grandchildrens earnings?</p>
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		<title>By: seth edenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a said at Hilzoy&#039;s post, he&#039;s not black &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt;. He&#039;s hiding something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a said at Hilzoy&#8217;s post, he&#8217;s not black <i>enough</i>. He&#8217;s hiding something.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/09/obamas-plausibility-plus-watching-watchmen/comment-page-1/#comment-254667</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTQ3OGJiZThiZWU2NGNjZTI3MmU4ZTQ2YjJkZjIwM2E=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;How can anyone&lt;/a&gt; who actually follows this stuff, who reads Freddoso, Kurtz, and scores of other reliable sources of information, conclude that Obama is not some wild-eyed radical?&quot;

and via Dave above

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;Well, first of all she’s [Palin’s] probably one of the foremost experts in this nation on energy issues.

That&#039;s two impossible things.  Four more to go before breakfast.

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;Who does he think energy companies employ? Monkeys?&lt;/i&gt;

This is the thing:  it&#039;s fun to be tricky with the Democrats because they&#039;re stupid liberals hahaha.  Making use of your own base&#039;s stupidity requires spurring it on, not rubbing their noses in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTQ3OGJiZThiZWU2NGNjZTI3MmU4ZTQ2YjJkZjIwM2E=" rel="nofollow">&#8220;How can anyone</a> who actually follows this stuff, who reads Freddoso, Kurtz, and scores of other reliable sources of information, conclude that Obama is not some wild-eyed radical?&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>and via Dave above</p>

	<p><i>Well, first of all she&#8217;s [Palin&#8217;s] probably one of the foremost experts in this nation on energy issues.</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s two impossible things.  Four more to go before breakfast.</p>

	<p><i>Who does he think energy companies employ? Monkeys?</i></p>

	<p>This is the thing:  it&#8217;s fun to be tricky with the Democrats because they&#8217;re stupid liberals hahaha.  Making use of your own base&#8217;s stupidity requires spurring it on, not rubbing their noses in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama isn’t practicing any kind of crouching Rezko hidden Ayers plausibility fu.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a very clever line. You should be proud of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Obama isn&#8217;t practicing any kind of crouching Rezko hidden Ayers plausibility fu.</blockquote></p>

	<p>This is a very clever line. You should be proud of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
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		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama is really a cynical, evil character who for cynical, evil reasons behaves exactly like a decent honorable man . . .

What&#039;s the problem?  Who the heck cares what he &quot;really&quot; thinks, as long as he acts appropriately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If Obama is really a cynical, evil character who for cynical, evil reasons behaves exactly like a decent honorable man . . .</p>

	<p>What&#8217;s the problem?  Who the heck cares what he &#8220;really&#8221; thinks, as long as he acts appropriately?</p>
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		<title>By: Delicious Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delicious Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But also:  grant that all the allegations about Obama are true -- that he&#039;s a dangerous radical who is being constrained by the system into seeming like a nice liberaly person.  Isn&#039;t this what we want the system to &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt;?  

Look at it another way.  We know that capitalists can be the kind of people who don&#039;t mind employing children in factories, or selling meat that has shit on it.   We know that because they&#039;ve done it.   But if we have sufficiently strong constraints in place, it &lt;i&gt;doesn&#039;t matter&lt;/i&gt; if that&#039;s what they really want to do, because they can&#039;t, and so it&#039;s ok if they&#039;re huge hypocrites who run ads that are set on farms at sunrise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But also:  grant that all the allegations about Obama are true&#8212;that he&#8217;s a dangerous radical who is being constrained by the system into seeming like a nice liberaly person.  Isn&#8217;t this what we want the system to <i>do</i>?</p>

	<p>Look at it another way.  We know that capitalists can be the kind of people who don&#8217;t mind employing children in factories, or selling meat that has shit on it.   We know that because they&#8217;ve done it.   But if we have sufficiently strong constraints in place, it <i>doesn&#8217;t matter</i> if that&#8217;s what they really want to do, because they can&#8217;t, and so it&#8217;s ok if they&#8217;re huge hypocrites who run ads that are set on farms at sunrise.</p>
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