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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/10/a-bit-of-horserace-commentary/comment-page-2/#comment-254916</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mclaren 10.11.08 at 1:00 pm:

&lt;i&gt;Mobs shutting down entire cities with sit-down strikes when this election goes to the Supreme Court. We have to make them understand that AMERICAN WILL BURN TO THE GROUND if this election is stolen.&lt;/i&gt;

My word! Constipation &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; conflagration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>mclaren 10.11.08 at 1:00 pm:</p>

	<p><i>Mobs shutting down entire cities with sit-down strikes when this election goes to the Supreme Court. We have to make them understand that <span class="caps">AMERICAN WILL BURN TO THE GROUND</span> if this election is stolen.</i></p>

	<p>My word! Constipation <i>and</i> conflagration?</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/10/a-bit-of-horserace-commentary/comment-page-2/#comment-254912</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any rumor that depends on the Republican Party, or any facet of it, showing competence as a political organization can be discounted out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any rumor that depends on the Republican Party, or any facet of it, showing competence as a political organization can be discounted out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Bob</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/10/a-bit-of-horserace-commentary/comment-page-2/#comment-254906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jersey Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PHB, et al: Texas is NOT trending Democratic, at least not in the Presidential race. Yahoo&#039;s interactive poll of polls shows McCain leading Obama steady at 51 to 38 (&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard&lt;/a&gt;).

But here in the red part of a blue state, I spent 3 hours yesterday canvassing for Obama and down-ballot races, and will do so again today and later in the week. It doesn&#039;t matter how far ahead we seem to be, now is the time to put the pedal to the metal. Make the Republicrook racists cry in their six packs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">PHB</span>, et al: Texas is <span class="caps">NOT</span> trending Democratic, at least not in the Presidential race. Yahoo&#8217;s interactive poll of polls shows McCain leading Obama steady at 51 to 38 (<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard</a>).</p>

	<p>But here in the red part of a blue state, I spent 3 hours yesterday canvassing for Obama and down-ballot races, and will do so again today and later in the week. It doesn&#8217;t matter how far ahead we seem to be, now is the time to put the pedal to the metal. Make the Republicrook racists cry in their six packs.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/10/a-bit-of-horserace-commentary/comment-page-2/#comment-254904</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is literally in bed with a former member of a successionist fringe party&quot;

It would be better if she slept with a member of a mainstream &#039;successionist&#039; I suppose.  Or should that be in the form of a question?

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;is literally in bed with a former member of a successionist fringe party&#8221;</p>

	<p>It would be better if she slept with a member of a mainstream &#8216;successionist&#8217; I suppose.  Or should that be in the form of a question?</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.jeffersonstate.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeffersonstate.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The engine of Republican political success is the promotion of culture war. It has been a long time since they could win on the issues. It follows that the difference between what Democrats say during a campaign and what Republicans say during a campaign is not so much a matter of morality as of strategy. Of course Democrats despise Bush and McCain--politics is all about hating--but Democratic candidates would much rather be talking about income disparity, health care, and the energy policy because these issues are winners for them. A Republican candidate simply cannot focus on realities and win. 

By the way, while I think Obama is simply being shrewd in avoiding personal attacks on McCain, McCain&#039;s history is actually quite dubious. Obama simply doesn&#039;t have a close relationship with Ayers while McCain&#039;s does have a close and ongoing relationship with Gordon Liddy, various anti-Castro Cuban terrorists, and  truly crazy retail preachers like Hagey, not to mention the public fact his running mate is literally in bed with a former member of a successionist fringe party. The they&#039;re-all-alike meme works best when, well, they&#039;re all alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The engine of Republican political success is the promotion of culture war. It has been a long time since they could win on the issues. It follows that the difference between what Democrats say during a campaign and what Republicans say during a campaign is not so much a matter of morality as of strategy. Of course Democrats despise Bush and McCain&#8212;politics is all about hating&#8212;but Democratic candidates would much rather be talking about income disparity, health care, and the energy policy because these issues are winners for them. A Republican candidate simply cannot focus on realities and win.</p>

	<p>By the way, while I think Obama is simply being shrewd in avoiding personal attacks on McCain, McCain&#8217;s history is actually quite dubious. Obama simply doesn&#8217;t have a close relationship with Ayers while McCain&#8217;s does have a close and ongoing relationship with Gordon Liddy, various anti-Castro Cuban terrorists, and  truly crazy retail preachers like Hagey, not to mention the public fact his running mate is literally in bed with a former member of a successionist fringe party. The they&#8217;re-all-alike meme works best when, well, they&#8217;re all alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush Pilot - Since you like to allude to a certain reverend, lets use it to give the real parallel. Here it is in a SAT analogy:

McCain is to His Supporters as a reverend is to his parishioners.

If McCain spews language that encodes that Obama is the other because he&#039;s &quot;not like us&quot; and that he &quot;pals with terrorists&quot; and then his supporters behave as if Obama is an &quot;Arab&quot; or they are &quot;scared&quot;, then McCain is to some degree responsible.

Now if a Reverend says &quot;America&#039;s chickens are coming home to roost&quot;  in one of his two sermons over the course of his tenure at a church. And then his parishioner says in a debate that the Bush administration took its eye off the ball and failed to kill Osama Bin Laden and that &quot;We will kill bin Laden; we will crush al Qaeda&quot; under his Presidency. That Reverend is not responsible for his behavior. He can&#039;t take any credit for it at all.

I don&#039;t believe McCain is racist. He wants to draw a contrast between him and Obama. The Ayers thing is fair game (even if I think he&#039;s overblowing it), but it&#039;s a very difficult game to play because he has to criticize without demonizing - something the Republican party hasn&#039;t been able to do in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bush Pilot &#8211; Since you like to allude to a certain reverend, lets use it to give the real parallel. Here it is in a <span class="caps">SAT</span> analogy:</p>

	<p>McCain is to His Supporters as a reverend is to his parishioners.</p>

	<p>If McCain spews language that encodes that Obama is the other because he&#8217;s &#8220;not like us&#8221; and that he &#8220;pals with terrorists&#8221; and then his supporters behave as if Obama is an &#8220;Arab&#8221; or they are &#8220;scared&#8221;, then McCain is to some degree responsible.</p>

	<p>Now if a Reverend says &#8220;America&#8217;s chickens are coming home to roost&#8221;  in one of his two sermons over the course of his tenure at a church. And then his parishioner says in a debate that the Bush administration took its eye off the ball and failed to kill Osama Bin Laden and that &#8220;We will kill bin Laden; we will crush al Qaeda&#8221; under his Presidency. That Reverend is not responsible for his behavior. He can&#8217;t take any credit for it at all.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t believe McCain is racist. He wants to draw a contrast between him and Obama. The Ayers thing is fair game (even if I think he&#8217;s overblowing it), but it&#8217;s a very difficult game to play because he has to criticize without demonizing &#8211; something the Republican party hasn&#8217;t been able to do in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Bush pilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, y&#039;all are as delusional as a 9/11 truther or an intelligent designer - your pick.

Listen, I&#039;ve already heard on campus how McCain sold out his buddies to get special treatment during his time as a POW, how he recklessly shot himself down anyway, so on and so on.  It is a little better than 2004, when I was hearing about how much the bush family supported hitler and profited from the holocaust - but that is probably a reflection of the polls.  Should they tighten up another few points, I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll learn McCain&#039;s father blew up the Maine to start the Spainish-American war ...

holding McCain responsible for what a few folks in his audience yell at his campaign stops is a far higher standard that holding a 20-year member of a church for a few comments that person&#039;s minister makes ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">LOL</span>, y&#8217;all are as delusional as a 9/11 truther or an intelligent designer &#8211; your pick.</p>

	<p>Listen, I&#8217;ve already heard on campus how McCain sold out his buddies to get special treatment during his time as a <span class="caps">POW</span>, how he recklessly shot himself down anyway, so on and so on.  It is a little better than 2004, when I was hearing about how much the bush family supported hitler and profited from the holocaust &#8211; but that is probably a reflection of the polls.  Should they tighten up another few points, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll learn McCain&#8217;s father blew up the Maine to start the Spainish-American war &#8230;</p>

	<p>holding McCain responsible for what a few folks in his audience yell at his campaign stops is a far higher standard that holding a 20-year member of a church for a few comments that person&#8217;s minister makes ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: efgoldman99@gmail.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>efgoldman99@gmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nick @ 22
&lt;i&gt;&quot;if it is network TV program its a national ad&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

not necessarily. every network (or cable) show from the news to dancing with the stars to the superbowl  includes local availabilities, which may be sold by the local station or local cable company to national, regional or local advertisers. 

i think the other commenters are probably correct - that the buys they are seeing are at the network level - but there&#039;s no way to know for sure unless one can see the local station&#039;s or cable company&#039;s log.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>nick @ 22<br />
<i>&#8220;if it is network TV program its a national ad&#8221;</i><i></i></p>

	<p>not necessarily. every network (or cable) show from the news to dancing with the stars to the superbowl  includes local availabilities, which may be sold by the local station or local cable company to national, regional or local advertisers.</p>

	<p>i think the other commenters are probably correct &#8211; that the buys they are seeing are at the network level &#8211; but there&#8217;s no way to know for sure unless one can see the local station&#8217;s or cable company&#8217;s log.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the last three presidential elections graphed up against each other:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/campaign_08_trends_vs_04_and_0.php

Around this day in October, 2000, GW was closing the deal and the polls were tied.  No Democrat haa had a +10 against a Republican after the conventions since Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s the last three presidential elections graphed up against each other:</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/campaign_08_trends_vs_04_and_0.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pollster.com/blogs/campaign_08_trends_vs_04_and_0.php</a></p>

	<p>Around this day in October, 2000, GW was closing the deal and the polls were tied.  No Democrat haa had a +10 against a Republican after the conventions since Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;Just two words: Grow up.&#039;&#039;

&#039;Neutron Bomb&#039;, works also, but too is a bit immature of a response.  It is funny, the sell out fears, since Obama is so well established in the mythical American &#039;center&#039; that any could feign hurt or shortcomings when he doesn&#039;t act as &#039;left&#039; as the far right paints him to be.  Any counting on the concreteness of such Hope™ for Change© have lost already.  That&#039;s notto say stop pushing, just to not be disappointed if your $2 Powerball ticket only wins you $1 back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;&#8217;Just two words: Grow up.&#8217;&#8217;</p>

	<p>&#8216;Neutron Bomb&#8217;, works also, but too is a bit immature of a response.  It is funny, the sell out fears, since Obama is so well established in the mythical American &#8216;center&#8217; that any could feign hurt or shortcomings when he doesn&#8217;t act as &#8216;left&#8217; as the far right paints him to be.  Any counting on the concreteness of such Hope&#8482; for Change&#169; have lost already.  That&#8217;s notto say stop pushing, just to not be disappointed if your $2 Powerball ticket only wins you $1 back.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McLaren @ #33:
&lt;em&gt;We have to make them understand that AMERICAN WILL BURN TO THE GROUND if this election is stolen.&lt;/em&gt;

Just two words: Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McLaren @ #33:<br />
<em>We have to make them understand that <span class="caps">AMERICAN WILL BURN TO THE GROUND</span> if this election is stolen.</em></p>

	<p>Just two words: Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: IM</title>
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		<dc:creator>IM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plead guilty to crossposting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I plead guilty to crossposting.</p>
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		<title>By: christian h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IM, see my comment #45. Anyway, I plead guilty. I posted a comment to a blog post, and it clearly wasn&#039;t very well thought out or formulated. Not at all up to the standards of this blog. I apologize. Next time I&#039;ll have some copy editing done before hitting &quot;Submit&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>IM, see my comment #45. Anyway, I plead guilty. I posted a comment to a blog post, and it clearly wasn&#8217;t very well thought out or formulated. Not at all up to the standards of this blog. I apologize. Next time I&#8217;ll have some copy editing done before hitting &#8220;Submit&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: IM</title>
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		<dc:creator>IM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt; No, you wrote “us”. As in, “Then we can all enjoy the spectacle of watching them find a new excuse for selling us out.” I’m still wondering what you had in mind

Good point. Obama and the dems will sell us out, but this us does not include you?
Or means us just the citizenship as a whole?&lt;/cite&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><cite> No, you wrote &#8220;us&#8221;. As in, &#8220;Then we can all enjoy the spectacle of watching them find a new excuse for selling us out.&#8221; I&#8217;m still wondering what you had in mind</cite></p>

	<p>Good point. Obama and the dems will sell us out, but this us does not include you?<br />
Or means us just the citizenship as a whole?</p>
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		<title>By: christian h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemuel, yes, you are right - I did write &quot;us&quot;. That was careless of me. I meant &quot;us&quot; as in &quot;the people of the US&quot; not as in &quot;the people on this blog&quot;, and that&#039;s what I should have written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>lemuel, yes, you are right &#8211; I did write &#8220;us&#8221;. That was careless of me. I meant &#8220;us&#8221; as in &#8220;the people of the US&#8221; not as in &#8220;the people on this blog&#8221;, and that&#8217;s what I should have written.</p>
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