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		<title>By: PHB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256576</link>
		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is also planning not to attend his own &#039;victory party&#039;. Guess he realizes that it is likely to be more of a concession speech. 

I think folk are making a mistake in considering 60 seats as some sort of binary thing. The fact is that a party that controls the White House can pretty much get by with a simple majority in the Senate and win most of what it wants. The Democrats could in theory have filibustered plenty in 2004-2006, but the GOP would have simply rolled all their bills into one and sat the filibuster out if it came to that. Applying the same tactics with control of the Senate but not the WH ends in a veto and if you don&#039;t have the votes to rise a filibuster you certainly can&#039;t get an override.

In practice it is highly unlikely that the GOP will return with 41 movement conservative types committed to obstructionism for its own sake and at all costs. If the Democrats win 45-48 seats it will probably be enough to do pretty much everything.

More Democrats in the Senate is still better of course. But only if they are Democrats. Party discipline matters much more than getting to a numerical 60. What this means is that it is much more important to strip Joe Lieberman of his chairmanship than keep him on just to get to 60. Lieberman needs to be made an example of - kick him out of the caucus, strip him of his committee seats and administer the order of the pineapple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McCain is also planning not to attend his own &#8216;victory party&#8217;. Guess he realizes that it is likely to be more of a concession speech.</p>

	<p>I think folk are making a mistake in considering 60 seats as some sort of binary thing. The fact is that a party that controls the White House can pretty much get by with a simple majority in the Senate and win most of what it wants. The Democrats could in theory have filibustered plenty in 2004-2006, but the <span class="caps">GOP</span> would have simply rolled all their bills into one and sat the filibuster out if it came to that. Applying the same tactics with control of the Senate but not the WH ends in a veto and if you don&#8217;t have the votes to rise a filibuster you certainly can&#8217;t get an override.</p>

	<p>In practice it is highly unlikely that the <span class="caps">GOP</span> will return with 41 movement conservative types committed to obstructionism for its own sake and at all costs. If the Democrats win 45-48 seats it will probably be enough to do pretty much everything.</p>

	<p>More Democrats in the Senate is still better of course. But only if they are Democrats. Party discipline matters much more than getting to a numerical 60. What this means is that it is much more important to strip Joe Lieberman of his chairmanship than keep him on just to get to 60. Lieberman needs to be made an example of &#8211; kick him out of the caucus, strip him of his committee seats and administer the order of the pineapple.</p>
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		<title>By: SamChevre</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256433</link>
		<dc:creator>SamChevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is part of &quot;Real Virginia&quot;--but some parts of &quot;Real Virginia&quot; are very strongly Democrat-leaning.  (Charlottesville, Petersburg).  The &quot;not &#039;Real Virginia&#039;&quot; comments tend to be aimed at NoVA--the DC suburbs--which is very unlike the rest of Virginia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, this is part of &#8220;Real Virginia&#8221;&#8212;but some parts of &#8220;Real Virginia&#8221; are very strongly Democrat-leaning.  (Charlottesville, Petersburg).  The &#8220;not &#8216;Real Virginia&#8217;&#8221; comments tend to be aimed at NoVA&#8212;the DC suburbs&#8212;which is very unlike the rest of Virginia.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256424</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;here in very red Southern VA&lt;/i&gt;

I thought the correct appellations were now &quot;Real Virginia&quot; or &quot;Non-Marxist Virginia,&quot; SC. 

8^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>here in very red Southern VA</i></p>

	<p>I thought the correct appellations were now &#8220;Real Virginia&#8221; or &#8220;Non-Marxist Virginia,&#8221; SC.</p>

	<p>8^)</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256408</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media have an interest in making this look like a suspenseful contest, but the online betting parlors have effectively closed their books. It is over. What begins now is clearing the wreckage of eight years of government by idiots and completing the spin-off of the US Treasury from Goldman Sachs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The media have an interest in making this look like a suspenseful contest, but the online betting parlors have effectively closed their books. It is over. What begins now is clearing the wreckage of eight years of government by idiots and completing the spin-off of the <span class="caps">US </span>Treasury from Goldman Sachs.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256403</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, but the GOP desperately needs the Senatorial fillibuster.  With that, they can simultaneously claim that &#039;Democrats control the government&#039;, while blocking a large amount of action, and forcing other actions to be bent more towards their disliking (/away from their disliking). 

That&#039;s a good defensive position, and one which they exploited quite successfully in 1993-4.  In a time of econmic pain, please note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not only that, but the <span class="caps">GOP</span> desperately needs the Senatorial fillibuster.  With that, they can simultaneously claim that &#8216;Democrats control the government&#8217;, while blocking a large amount of action, and forcing other actions to be bent more towards their disliking (/away from their disliking).</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s a good defensive position, and one which they exploited quite successfully in 1993-4.  In a time of econmic pain, please note.</p>
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		<title>By: SamChevre</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256402</link>
		<dc:creator>SamChevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for reference, here in very red Southern VA I&#039;ve heard 2 Obama ads, and no McCain ads, on the local country music station.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard a Democratic ad for even a statewide candidate before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just for reference, here in very red Southern <span class="caps">VA I</span>&#8217;ve heard 2 Obama ads, and no McCain ads, on the local country music station.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard a Democratic ad for even a statewide candidate before.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256401</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the House and Senate candidates don&#039;t want to be associated with McCain or the national party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe the House and Senate candidates don&#8217;t want to be associated with McCain or the national party.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256396</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes sense to me, too. McInsane is a lost cause, but I&#039;m sure the RNC desperately wants to avoid the humiliation of having, for instance, Mitch McConnell go down. So I know where I&#039;d be putting MY money if I were them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Makes sense to me, too. McInsane is a lost cause, but I&#8217;m sure the <span class="caps">RNC</span> desperately wants to avoid the humiliation of having, for instance, Mitch McConnell go down. So I know where I&#8217;d be putting MY money if I were them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lad Litter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256384</link>
		<dc:creator>Lad Litter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this correct or not but in &#039;64 the Goklwater campaign sloganized their message with &quot;In your heart, you know he&#039;s right&quot; The Democrats replied with &quot;In your guts, you know he&#039;s nuts.&quot;  I&#039;ll check and get back to you, hoping all the while that it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not sure if this correct or not but in &#8216;64 the Goklwater campaign sloganized their message with &#8220;In your heart, you know he&#8217;s right&#8221; The Democrats replied with &#8220;In your guts, you know he&#8217;s nuts.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll check and get back to you, hoping all the while that it&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wisse</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256383</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Wisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect more ads for embattled senators and the like from the RNC shortly. They may very well have written off McCain and decided to limit their losses in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Expect more ads for embattled senators and the like from the <span class="caps">RNC</span> shortly. They may very well have written off McCain and decided to limit their losses in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. doctrine</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/10/22/pulling-the-plug/comment-page-1/#comment-256376</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. doctrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McSpinalTap is hittin&#039; the county fair circuit; that&#039;s where real america does politicking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McSpinalTap is hittin&#8217; the county fair circuit; that&#8217;s where real america does politicking.</p>
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