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		<title>By: novakant</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/05/time-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-257914</link>
		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just saw Fox News fulminating at a Soviet flag being brandished by the celebrating crowd outside the White House.&lt;/i&gt;

Cool, was it like in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13q2wYZr_0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reds&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Just saw Fox News fulminating at a Soviet flag being brandished by the celebrating crowd outside the White House.</i></p>

	<p>Cool, was it like in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13q2wYZr_0" rel="nofollow">Reds</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/05/time-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-257883</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: “We shall now proceed to the construction of the socialist order.”

Just saw Fox News fulminating at a Soviet flag being brandished by the celebrating crowd outside the White House. On some level I do think that&#039;s kinda wrong, but it&#039;s also pretty funny, doubly so since the Fox people seemed genuinely innocent of the possibility that they were being mocked for the ridiculous red scare of the previous weeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: &#8220;We shall now proceed to the construction of the socialist order.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Just saw Fox News fulminating at a Soviet flag being brandished by the celebrating crowd outside the White House. On some level I do think that&#8217;s kinda wrong, but it&#8217;s also pretty funny, doubly so since the Fox people seemed genuinely innocent of the possibility that they were being mocked for the ridiculous red scare of the previous weeks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picador, quite frankly, your summary of Obama&#039;s speech is utter bullshit.

More generally:  I think people who confuse a broadly bipartisan address to the American people, with a willingness to kowtow to the Republican party, are making a big mistake.  In this respect, Obama is smarter than the &quot;netroots&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Picador, quite frankly, your summary of Obama&#8217;s speech is utter bullshit.</p>

	<p>More generally:  I think people who confuse a broadly bipartisan address to the American people, with a willingness to kowtow to the Republican party, are making a big mistake.  In this respect, Obama is smarter than the &#8220;netroots&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/05/time-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-257876</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@30, of course, with attitudes like #29&#039;s doing the rounds, the next Dem president will be charged with clearing up the mess after two terms of President Palin...

Or maybe, even, the &quot;election&quot; of a &quot;president&quot; in 2016 will merely be a ruse by the Gideonites to flush out the ungodly, who can then be rounded up and disposed of according to the Almighty&#039;s plan...

But let&#039;s not worry about that now, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@30, of course, with attitudes like #29&#8217;s doing the rounds, the next Dem president will be charged with clearing up the mess after two terms of President Palin&#8230;</p>

	<p>Or maybe, even, the &#8220;election&#8221; of a &#8220;president&#8221; in 2016 will merely be a ruse by the Gideonites to flush out the ungodly, who can then be rounded up and disposed of according to the Almighty&#8217;s plan&#8230;</p>

	<p>But let&#8217;s not worry about that now, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptic Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s amazing how disappointing the Obama administration has been.  I agree with you Picador, and I only hope the next Democratic president does far better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, it&#8217;s amazing how disappointing the Obama administration has been.  I agree with you Picador, and I only hope the next Democratic president does far better.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama wanted to be President. Once he is in office his legacy-good or bad-will be formulated by his actions as President. I hope that he is up to the challenge for it is a daunting one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obama wanted to be President. Once he is in office his legacy-good or bad-will be formulated by his actions as President. I hope that he is up to the challenge for it is a daunting one.</p>
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		<title>By: Picador</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/05/time-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-257867</link>
		<dc:creator>Picador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts on Obama&#039;s acceptance speech? You remember it: an extended paean to the kingdom and the power and the glory of the One Great True Everlasting Republican Party, bastion of hope to the downtrodden and symbol of all that is good in our nation?

Personally, I&#039;ll drink to President Obama the day the last American troop leaves Iraq and the last innocent cabdriver is released from the American torture chambers. Until then, I don&#039;t see how Obama puts us anywhere left of George W. Bush circa 2003, and I&#039;ll show him exactly the same amount of support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any thoughts on Obama&#8217;s acceptance speech? You remember it: an extended paean to the kingdom and the power and the glory of the One Great True Everlasting Republican Party, bastion of hope to the downtrodden and symbol of all that is good in our nation?</p>

	<p>Personally, I&#8217;ll drink to President Obama the day the last American troop leaves Iraq and the last innocent cabdriver is released from the American torture chambers. Until then, I don&#8217;t see how Obama puts us anywhere left of George W. Bush circa 2003, and I&#8217;ll show him exactly the same amount of support.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The best way to shut up Palin is for Obama to do as good a job as we intuit he can.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t the problem that a couple of years in recession seems fairly likely at this point - if that happens you could easily see a midterm swing back towards the Republicans that allows them to carry on the current course. Obama vs Palin in 2012 could then conceivably be the breaking point for the religious right as if Obama wins against Palin running as a core &quot;values&quot; candidate rather than as backup to a &#039;maverick&#039; that shared about as little ground as two Republicans can would be very hard to cognative dissonance away as the fault of something other than the core of their beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The best way to shut up Palin is for Obama to do as good a job as we intuit he can.</i></p>

	<p>Isn&#8217;t the problem that a couple of years in recession seems fairly likely at this point &#8211; if that happens you could easily see a midterm swing back towards the Republicans that allows them to carry on the current course. Obama vs Palin in 2012 could then conceivably be the breaking point for the religious right as if Obama wins against Palin running as a core &#8220;values&#8221; candidate rather than as backup to a &#8216;maverick&#8217; that shared about as little ground as two Republicans can would be very hard to cognative dissonance away as the fault of something other than the core of their beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: a different chris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/05/time-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-257862</link>
		<dc:creator>a different chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I think Obama will tend to tackle those issues first where he can get a cross-party consensus 

That is no doubt a good and important observation.  

For instance, although 52+ of the popular vote is actually quite a margin for America, it is dwarfed by the Electoral College results.  This is similar to what BO did to Clinton in the primaries.

This makes me  believe, which is why I highlight the above comment, that we are looking at a rare talent - one that is good at both tactics and strategy.   This entire 2-year saga reminds me a little of Cesear&#039;s &quot;blogging&quot; ;) of his campaign against the Gauls.  An unendingly careful examination of the opponent, the fields of battle, himself, his troops, and just planning, planning, and more planning.  And no big ups or downs regardless of the short-term results.

It must have sucked to be the Gauls.  The feeling of being an anaconda&#039;s dinner, I would think. At least the Republicans aren&#039;t literally getting run thru with pikes.  
 
I would never bet against the dude getting to anyplace he wants to go.   Now for us to the left of the American political spectrum, we just have to hope he will learn to tack our way in his goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>I think Obama will tend to tackle those issues first where he can get a cross-party consensus</p>

	<p>That is no doubt a good and important observation.</p>

	<p>For instance, although 52+ of the popular vote is actually quite a margin for America, it is dwarfed by the Electoral College results.  This is similar to what BO did to Clinton in the primaries.</p>

	<p>This makes me  believe, which is why I highlight the above comment, that we are looking at a rare talent &#8211; one that is good at both tactics and strategy.   This entire 2-year saga reminds me a little of Cesear&#8217;s &#8220;blogging&#8221; ;) of his campaign against the Gauls.  An unendingly careful examination of the opponent, the fields of battle, himself, his troops, and just planning, planning, and more planning.  And no big ups or downs regardless of the short-term results.</p>

	<p>It must have sucked to be the Gauls.  The feeling of being an anaconda&#8217;s dinner, I would think. At least the Republicans aren&#8217;t literally getting run thru with pikes.</p>

	<p>I would never bet against the dude getting to anyplace he wants to go.   Now for us to the left of the American political spectrum, we just have to hope he will learn to tack our way in his goals.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Y. Mous</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Y. Mous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any plausible indications of who will comprise his cabinet? More to the point, will he take up the opportunity to continue playing Lincoln?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Any plausible indications of who will comprise his cabinet? More to the point, will he take up the opportunity to continue playing Lincoln?</p>
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		<title>By: meter</title>
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		<dc:creator>meter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to shut up Palin is for Obama to do as good a job as we intuit he can.</description>
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		<title>By: J Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP has lost a major battle in their war against the USA, but they aren&#039;t at all defeated yet.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/nov/05/after-future-present-and-past/

&lt;em&gt;A few weeks ago in Sunday School our teacher pointed out that many people confuse the church for a hospital. People come in to take care of their problems, share sympathies with like minded friends, etc. In fact, the church is part of an army on the front lines advancing against hell. Like any good army, there is a hospital component, but it’s all part of the army in the war.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Politics is the same way. At least I view it as such.&lt;/em&gt;

This war won&#039;t be even mostly won until the GOP is a third party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">GOP</span> has lost a major battle in their war against the <span class="caps">USA</span>, but they aren&#8217;t at all defeated yet.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/nov/05/after-future-present-and-past/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/nov/05/after-future-present-and-past/</a></p>

	<p><em>A few weeks ago in Sunday School our teacher pointed out that many people confuse the church for a hospital. People come in to take care of their problems, share sympathies with like minded friends, etc. In fact, the church is part of an army on the front lines advancing against hell. Like any good army, there is a hospital component, but it&#8217;s all part of the army in the war.</em></p>

	<p><em>Politics is the same way. At least I view it as such.</em></p>

	<p>This war won&#8217;t be even mostly won until the <span class="caps">GOP</span> is a third party.</p>
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		<title>By: stostosto</title>
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		<dc:creator>stostosto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was like McCain wasn&#039;t addressing his own people at all but was rather a visitor from outside the cocoon patiently trying to send a message from reality - which wasn&#039;t at all well received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It was like McCain wasn&#8217;t addressing his own people at all but was rather a visitor from outside the cocoon patiently trying to send a message from reality &#8211; which wasn&#8217;t at all well received.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McCain was very dignified in defeat.&quot;

He seem so poised, calm, at peace about the whole thing, in his concession speech.  The performance made me think he&#039;d probably already seen the writing on the wall weeks before, and that he was now, if anything, relieved to be finally dismounting this creaky, broken juggernaut of a campaign, finally free to go back to being an estimable Senator (after some hosing down, anyway).  After all, he and Obama had co-sponsored legislation back before all this.  Oh how long ago it seems, but they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;McCain was very dignified in defeat.&#8221;</p>

	<p>He seem so poised, calm, at peace about the whole thing, in his concession speech.  The performance made me think he&#8217;d probably already seen the writing on the wall weeks before, and that he was now, if anything, relieved to be finally dismounting this creaky, broken juggernaut of a campaign, finally free to go back to being an estimable Senator (after some hosing down, anyway).  After all, he and Obama had co-sponsored legislation back before all this.  Oh how long ago it seems, but they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a relief.  The idiot child-Emperor will soon be gone and  an adult will move into the White House.  

The bad news is that tomorrow the Tina Fey look-alike will start campaigning for 2012 and the next President might be someone who deliberately and enthusiastically chooses to be an ignorant religious nut - with lipstick.  McCain&#039;s concession was gracious, courageous and thoughtful but the cheers for Madam Mooseburger scared the #$%@ out of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What a relief.  The idiot child-Emperor will soon be gone and  an adult will move into the White House.</p>

	<p>The bad news is that tomorrow the Tina Fey look-alike will start campaigning for 2012 and the next President might be someone who deliberately and enthusiastically chooses to be an ignorant religious nut &#8211; with lipstick.  McCain&#8217;s concession was gracious, courageous and thoughtful but the cheers for Madam Mooseburger scared the #$%@ out of me.</p>
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