Comments on: Maurice Stonefrost is dead http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 27 May 2012 07:23:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Warrell http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258424 Warrell Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:15:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258424 Thank you Harry for blogging about Maurice. There will be a memorial service in London that Hilary Stonefrost is organising. Thank you Harry for blogging about Maurice. There will be a memorial service in London that Hilary Stonefrost is organising.

]]> By: Jordan DeLange http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258421 Jordan DeLange Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:14:53 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258421 @ Seth Finkelstein Oops, I probably should have been able to guess that, my bad. @HarryB Thanks. I had never heard of Stonefrost before, so I'm interested. @ Seth Finkelstein

Oops, I probably should have been able to guess that, my bad.

@HarryB

Thanks. I had never heard of Stonefrost before, so I’m interested.

]]> By: harry b http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258364 harry b Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:26:16 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258364 Thanks Jordan, that's a great page. I'll do some editing later. Warrell, thanks so much for that. I did not know him, but read about him frequently and admired the character that came through in what I read; I'm glad to hear that impression confirmed, and commiserate with his family. Thanks Jordan, that’s a great page. I’ll do some editing later.

Warrell, thanks so much for that. I did not know him, but read about him frequently and admired the character that came through in what I read; I’m glad to hear that impression confirmed, and commiserate with his family.

]]> By: Warrell http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258336 Warrell Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:17:56 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258336 His funeral was yesterday. Terrible weather meant that a man who was so punctual was late getting to the crematorium. It was a humbling service with entertaining and poignant speeches from his daughter Hilary (married to William Keegan) and his son Mark. The head of <a href="http://www.cipfa.org.uk" rel="nofollow">CIPFA</a> gave an excellent speech describing his illustrious career. I knew Maurice as a very warm, charming and generous family man who was at home and assured both on the terraces of his beloved Fratton Park and in the Boardroom. His funeral was yesterday. Terrible weather meant that a man who was so punctual was late getting to the crematorium. It was a humbling service with entertaining and poignant speeches from his daughter Hilary (married to William Keegan) and his son Mark. The head of CIPFA gave an excellent speech describing his illustrious career. I knew Maurice as a very warm, charming and generous family man who was at home and assured both on the terraces of his beloved Fratton Park and in the Boardroom.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258293 Seth Finkelstein Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:38:21 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258293 @Jordan DeLange - I was too brief. The key element I intended in my comment was the <em>251</em> number, meaning "He has only 251 Google hits for his name, what did you expect, of course he doesn't have a Wikipedia entry". @Jordan DeLange – I was too brief. The key element I intended in my comment was the 251 number, meaning “He has only 251 Google hits for his name, what did you expect, of course he doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry”.

]]> By: Alex http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258292 Alex Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:22:38 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258292 Even his name seems to exude civil-servicey goodness. Even his name seems to exude civil-servicey goodness.

]]> By: Martin Wisse http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258289 Martin Wisse Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:35:40 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258289 This is genuinely a subject Wikipedia is bad at though: somebody whose prime was decades before the internet, let alone Wikipedia was a going concern and who isn't famous or obvious enough to be remembered by the sort of people who edit Wikipedia. In these cases, the best thing that can happen is waht happens here: a mini campaign for his inclusion that sparked with one volunteer. This is genuinely a subject Wikipedia is bad at though: somebody whose prime was decades before the internet, let alone Wikipedia was a going concern and who isn’t famous or obvious enough to be remembered by the sort of people who edit Wikipedia. In these cases, the best thing that can happen is waht happens here: a mini campaign for his inclusion that sparked with one volunteer.

]]> By: Jordan DeLange http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258286 Jordan DeLange Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:17:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258286 Ok, so, despite not ever doing this before, the wikipedia page has been <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Stonefrost" rel="nofollow">created</a>. It would be great if harry and harry(b) could perhaps edit that page to include information not included in the Google 1-10. @ Seth Finkelstein Sorry if I'm getting you wrong, but isn't one of your main complaints against wikipedia that is has the effect of directing traffic away from "expert" opinions because the wikipedia page comes up as 1 or 2 on lots of searches? If so, how does advocating the 1-10 of Google's searches help? They were all non-expert sites for me, and indeed the two that had useful information were the ones I used to create the wikipedia page. So, wikipedia seems to be at least as good as the 1-10 Google search you recommended, and at least not as bad at driving traffic away from expert opinions as yours, and this involves me, who has very insignificant wikipedia experience ... Ok, so, despite not ever doing this before, the wikipedia page has been created. It would be great if harry and harry(b) could perhaps edit that page to include information not included in the Google 1-10.

@ Seth Finkelstein

Sorry if I’m getting you wrong, but isn’t one of your main complaints against wikipedia that is has the effect of directing traffic away from “expert” opinions because the wikipedia page comes up as 1 or 2 on lots of searches? If so, how does advocating the 1-10 of Google’s searches help? They were all non-expert sites for me, and indeed the two that had useful information were the ones I used to create the wikipedia page. So, wikipedia seems to be at least as good as the 1-10 Google search you recommended, and at least not as bad at driving traffic away from expert opinions as yours, and this involves me, who has very insignificant wikipedia experience …

]]> By: Stark http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258284 Stark Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:55:46 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258284 Basically if you don't make the Wikipedia page nobody will, and if nobody makes the Wikipedia page, nobody will have any idea in fifty years that Mr. Stonefrost ever existed... Basically if you don’t make the Wikipedia page nobody will, and if nobody makes the Wikipedia page, nobody will have any idea in fifty years that Mr. Stonefrost ever existed…

]]> By: Doug http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258283 Doug Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:07:26 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258283 But! Original research!! Oh nooooessss!!! But! Original research!! Oh nooooessss

]]> By: Twisted_Colour http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258282 Twisted_Colour Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:36:51 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258282 Not many people had the balls to not only stand up to Thatcher, but to stick it to her as well. The world need more people like him. Not many people had the balls to not only stand up to Thatcher, but to stick it to her as well.

The world need more people like him.

]]> By: Henry (not the famous one) http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258277 Henry (not the famous one) Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:05:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258277 The nature of Wikipedia makes your reservations/modesty beside the point. Starting a page is likely to invite more qualified editors to improve on your work, since you will have done the grunt work of starting it. While you also run the risk that hacks will vandalize your work--don't know if the new rules are effective--or other editors will disfigure it by demanding citations for every other sentence, that is unavoidable. Just make sure it's good enough and long enough to get past the "Who is he?" deleters. The nature of Wikipedia makes your reservations/modesty beside the point. Starting a page is likely to invite more qualified editors to improve on your work, since you will have done the grunt work of starting it. While you also run the risk that hacks will vandalize your work—don’t know if the new rules are effective—or other editors will disfigure it by demanding citations for every other sentence, that is unavoidable. Just make sure it’s good enough and long enough to get past the “Who is he?” deleters.

]]> By: harry b http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258276 harry b Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258276 I'll do it when I am voncinced that no-one better qualified will.... I’ll do it when I am voncinced that no-one better qualified will….

]]> By: Eli Rabett http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258275 Eli Rabett Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:19:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258275 So, put up an entry in the wikipedia So, put up an entry in the wikipedia

]]> By: notedscholar http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/10/maurice-stonefrost-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-258272 notedscholar Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:31:25 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=8463#comment-258272 Stonefrost, what an excellent name. Stonefrost, what an excellent name.

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