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		<title>By: HH</title>
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		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the post contains a thread heavily larded with rancid, pretentious, humorless, self-important troll-snot.&lt;/i&gt;

Is that an attempt at criticism (ITAAC), or are you just trying to be amusing (AYJTTBA)?</description>
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	<p>Is that an attempt at criticism (ITAAC), or are you just trying to be amusing (AYJTTBA)?</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is “you” at the non-striker’s end?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Is &#8220;you&#8221; at the non-striker&#8217;s end?</i></p>

	<p>Yes, you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/11/arma-diavloumque-cano/comment-page-2/#comment-258532</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then, HH, I suggest that somebody at CT take one of your posts, disemvowel it, remove the spaces, set it in all caps, and make the result a CT blog tag.  That way, we&#039;ll know (simply from the length of the tag, not from any attempt to decrypt it) that the post contains a thread heavily larded with rancid, pretentious, humorless, self-important troll-snot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, then, HH, I suggest that somebody at CT take one of your posts, disemvowel it, remove the spaces, set it in all caps, and make the result a CT blog tag.  That way, we&#8217;ll know (simply from the length of the tag, not from any attempt to decrypt it) that the post contains a thread heavily larded with rancid, pretentious, humorless, self-important troll-snot.</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/11/arma-diavloumque-cano/comment-page-2/#comment-258530</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;any non-trivial truth expressed in adequate context&lt;/i&gt;

Haven&#039;t you heard of acronyms, Mr. Turner? ANTTEIAC fits easily on a bumper sticker, as does NGSEB (Never give a sucker an even break.), or KTALAGSTO (Kill them all and let God sort them out). Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>any non-trivial truth expressed in adequate context</i></p>

	<p>Haven&#8217;t you heard of acronyms, Mr. Turner? <span class="caps">ANTTEIAC</span> fits easily on a bumper sticker, as does <span class="caps">NGSEB </span>(Never give a sucker an even break.), or <span class="caps">KTALAGSTO </span>(Kill them all and let God sort them out). Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever notice how &quot;Thou shalt not lie&quot; fits more easily on a bumper sticker than any non-trivial truth expressed in adequate context?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ever notice how &#8220;Thou shalt not lie&#8221; fits more easily on a bumper sticker than any non-trivial truth expressed in adequate context?</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/11/arma-diavloumque-cano/comment-page-2/#comment-258525</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;	A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;A wise ruler ought never to keep faith when by doing so it would be against his interests. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;It is much more secure to be feared than to be loved. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Politics have no relation to morals. &lt;/i&gt;

-- Niccolo Machiavelli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.</i></p>

	<p><i>A wise ruler ought never to keep faith when by doing so it would be against his interests. </i></p>

	<p><i>If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared. </i></p>

	<p><i>It is much more secure to be feared than to be loved. </i></p>

	<p><i>No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution. </i></p>

	<p><i>Politics have no relation to morals. </i><br />
&#8212;Niccolo Machiavelli</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, jj.  Yours is the best suggestion so far.  We&#039;ll get more people registered and to the polls if it&#039;s all made more like a leading-edge amusement park ride.  I mean, with voter guides categorizing candidates as Kantian or Machiavellian or dull grey shades in between, we&#039;ll just end up with more city workers sent down to unclog sewers full of voter guides.

Yes, Alan, there are different ways to read Machiavelli (&lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt;, anyway.)  Take that bit where he seems to extol Cesar Borgia as the ideal, a passage held up by none other than Leo Strauss as pretty much the slam-dunk case for Machiavelli as a &quot;teacher of evil&quot;.  Unambiguous, right?

Not really. I&#039;ve seen it more persuasively argued the other way.  Anyone who understood the immediate political context (and that would include the very narrow audience &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt; directly addressed) would see that Machiavelli was being deeply and elaborately sarcastic, that he was laughing through his sleeve at Cesar Borgia, who at that point had actually screwed up very badly and was on his last legs.

And yet, Machiavelli is also hedging here, further cloaking his meaning for those not already clued in.  Although &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt; was intended as an &quot;eyes-only&quot; attachment to his resume, in applying for a specific job for a specific boss, and not for the ages, there was always a chance that it would leak into hands hostile to Machiavelli&#039;s interests.  Machiavelli was well acquainted with those sorts of fumbles (which reminds me, wait -- is the game on yet?  No, OK, I can keep typing for now) from his career of shuttling sensitive diplomatic documents around war-torn Europe.  And Machiavelli, at the time of writing that little chapter on Cesar Borgia, had not long before been one of Cesar&#039;s torture victims, before being sent off into ignominious retirement in the countryside.  So this part is written in such a way that Machiavelli, in the worst-case scenario (i.e., Cesar rehabilitated, the manuscript for &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt; intercepted or copied by Cesar&#039;s spies) could defend himself even he became a Cesar&#039;s captive again.  He could grovel in chains before Cesar and point out this chapter where he &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; praises Cesar to the skies, mewling and pleading that he in fact worships Cesar, that he had actually committed himself to Cesar-worship &lt;i&gt;in ink&lt;/i&gt;, when he was free, and when everyone was laughing at Cesar.  Machiavelli could easily imagine himself in that position, and set himself up to be able to act as any good little broken torture victim would, especially a former victim in the middle of a Stockholm Syndrome flashback.  Even crouched and bowed before a reconstituted threat, Machiavelli would still have a chance to hold himself up, unbroken, in his own mind, and -- most important -- avoid being tortured again, in which event (he knew well enough) he would only be broken again.  He would save himself then -- through Cesar&#039;s wounded vanity.

Now, taking Machiavelli at face value, you get the neo-cons, with their beloved teacher Leo counseling them that they must learn from this &quot;teacher of evil&quot; so that they&#039;d know how to be evil when the time came to use evil in the service of good.  But if you actually put yourself back in the time of writing &lt;i&gt;The Prince&lt;/i&gt;, where everyone in the know is snickering nervously about how that rat bastard Cesar seems finally to have gotten his fucking come-uppance, may he never darken our doors again, you will read our Niccolo as snickering (nervously, tentatively) along with Borgia&#039;s enemies -- but still planning several moves ahead, which after all was his fated role in things political.

Taking Machiavelli&#039;s texts at face value, you can make your way to a cold calculus of apologetics for torture on an administrative basis.  Reading him in deep context, a gaunt, agonized human face appears before you, dimly, behind the bars of a cell in a dungeon, and you want to reach through the bars, put your hand on his shoulder, and whisper solemn promises that you&#039;ll do everything in your power to get him out.

So if I may suggest a more informed axis: all Machiavelli, all the time, with the spectrum ranging from Florence to Mayberry.   The way I read it, Mayberry&#039;s on the run these days, they&#039;re gonna need a Hail Mary Pass to pull it out now: a casus belli for martial law.  Hey, they might be saying to each other, it says here in the Prince never to trust defectors, &#039;cuz they&#039;ll say anything to get revenge and vindication.  So we get this Iranian defector to say . . . . oh, c&#039;mon, it worked before, didn&#039;t it?  Well, OK, you&#039;re right, too soon since that last one.  You got another Hail Mary Pass idea?

Which reminds me.  The game&#039;s on, gotta go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, jj.  Yours is the best suggestion so far.  We&#8217;ll get more people registered and to the polls if it&#8217;s all made more like a leading-edge amusement park ride.  I mean, with voter guides categorizing candidates as Kantian or Machiavellian or dull grey shades in between, we&#8217;ll just end up with more city workers sent down to unclog sewers full of voter guides.</p>

	<p>Yes, Alan, there are different ways to read Machiavelli (<i>The Prince</i>, anyway.)  Take that bit where he seems to extol Cesar Borgia as the ideal, a passage held up by none other than Leo Strauss as pretty much the slam-dunk case for Machiavelli as a &#8220;teacher of evil&#8221;.  Unambiguous, right?</p>

	<p>Not really. I&#8217;ve seen it more persuasively argued the other way.  Anyone who understood the immediate political context (and that would include the very narrow audience <i>The Prince</i> directly addressed) would see that Machiavelli was being deeply and elaborately sarcastic, that he was laughing through his sleeve at Cesar Borgia, who at that point had actually screwed up very badly and was on his last legs.</p>

	<p>And yet, Machiavelli is also hedging here, further cloaking his meaning for those not already clued in.  Although <i>The Prince</i> was intended as an &#8220;eyes-only&#8221; attachment to his resume, in applying for a specific job for a specific boss, and not for the ages, there was always a chance that it would leak into hands hostile to Machiavelli&#8217;s interests.  Machiavelli was well acquainted with those sorts of fumbles (which reminds me, wait&#8212;is the game on yet?  No, OK, I can keep typing for now) from his career of shuttling sensitive diplomatic documents around war-torn Europe.  And Machiavelli, at the time of writing that little chapter on Cesar Borgia, had not long before been one of Cesar&#8217;s torture victims, before being sent off into ignominious retirement in the countryside.  So this part is written in such a way that Machiavelli, in the worst-case scenario (i.e., Cesar rehabilitated, the manuscript for <i>The Prince</i> intercepted or copied by Cesar&#8217;s spies) could defend himself even he became a Cesar&#8217;s captive again.  He could grovel in chains before Cesar and point out this chapter where he <i>obviously</i> praises Cesar to the skies, mewling and pleading that he in fact worships Cesar, that he had actually committed himself to Cesar-worship <i>in ink</i>, when he was free, and when everyone was laughing at Cesar.  Machiavelli could easily imagine himself in that position, and set himself up to be able to act as any good little broken torture victim would, especially a former victim in the middle of a Stockholm Syndrome flashback.  Even crouched and bowed before a reconstituted threat, Machiavelli would still have a chance to hold himself up, unbroken, in his own mind, and&#8212;most important&#8212;avoid being tortured again, in which event (he knew well enough) he would only be broken again.  He would save himself then&#8212;through Cesar&#8217;s wounded vanity.</p>

	<p>Now, taking Machiavelli at face value, you get the neo-cons, with their beloved teacher Leo counseling them that they must learn from this &#8220;teacher of evil&#8221; so that they&#8217;d know how to be evil when the time came to use evil in the service of good.  But if you actually put yourself back in the time of writing <i>The Prince</i>, where everyone in the know is snickering nervously about how that rat bastard Cesar seems finally to have gotten his fucking come-uppance, may he never darken our doors again, you will read our Niccolo as snickering (nervously, tentatively) along with Borgia&#8217;s enemies&#8212;but still planning several moves ahead, which after all was his fated role in things political.</p>

	<p>Taking Machiavelli&#8217;s texts at face value, you can make your way to a cold calculus of apologetics for torture on an administrative basis.  Reading him in deep context, a gaunt, agonized human face appears before you, dimly, behind the bars of a cell in a dungeon, and you want to reach through the bars, put your hand on his shoulder, and whisper solemn promises that you&#8217;ll do everything in your power to get him out.</p>

	<p>So if I may suggest a more informed axis: all Machiavelli, all the time, with the spectrum ranging from Florence to Mayberry.   The way I read it, Mayberry&#8217;s on the run these days, they&#8217;re gonna need a Hail Mary Pass to pull it out now: a casus belli for martial law.  Hey, they might be saying to each other, it says here in the Prince never to trust defectors, &#8216;cuz they&#8217;ll say anything to get revenge and vindication.  So we get this Iranian defector to say . . . . oh, c&#8217;mon, it worked before, didn&#8217;t it?  Well, OK, you&#8217;re right, too soon since that last one.  You got another Hail Mary Pass idea?</p>

	<p>Which reminds me.  The game&#8217;s on, gotta go.</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/11/arma-diavloumque-cano/comment-page-2/#comment-258520</link>
		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Woodrow Wilson was black?&lt;/i&gt;

Disraeli was a Jew, and Golda Meir was a woman. Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice are all black. So what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Woodrow Wilson was black?</i></p>

	<p>Disraeli was a Jew, and Golda Meir was a woman. Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice are all black. So what?</p>
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		<title>By: Twisted_Colour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twisted_Colour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ejh
&lt;i&gt;Late in the day, nine wickets down but holding on for a draw with fading light and time almost gone, you’re in with the number eleven and you turn down a single off the fifth ball of the over, he gets skittled on the sixth.&lt;/i&gt;

Is &quot;you&quot; at the non-striker&#039;s end? &#039;Cos if &quot;you&quot; isn&#039;t then your metaphor  is a french-cut onto the stumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>@ejh<br />
<i>Late in the day, nine wickets down but holding on for a draw with fading light and time almost gone, you&#8217;re in with the number eleven and you turn down a single off the fifth ball of the over, he gets skittled on the sixth.</i></p>

	<p>Is &#8220;you&#8221; at the non-striker&#8217;s end? &#8216;Cos if &#8220;you&#8221; isn&#8217;t then your metaphor  is a french-cut onto the stumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bérubé</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bérubé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woodrow Wilson was black?  Jeez.  I mean, I knew about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Mumbo-Jumbo-Ishmael-Reed/dp/0684824779&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harding&lt;/a&gt;, of course.  But Wilson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Woodrow Wilson was black?  Jeez.  I mean, I knew about <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mumbo-Jumbo-Ishmael-Reed/dp/0684824779" rel="nofollow">Harding</a>, of course.  But Wilson?</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
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		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should distinguish between political oscillations that reflect inefficient seeking of optimal structures, and fundamental conflicts that represent logically opposed belief systems.  

For example, lying as a defensible means to desirable ends is rejected in principle by Kantians. It may be argued that this view will ultimately prevail on pragmatic grounds in a highly interconnected world. As society becomes more tightly integrated, the utility of lying diminishes, because greater transparency and closer coupling of individuals and institutions reduces the advantages of lying and increases the penalties. Right now, the global financial system is being devastated as a result of widespread lying about risk, combined with huge amounts of leverage and closely coupled financial institutions. Eventually, the behavioral root of this debacle (Machiavellian zero-sum conduct) will be recognized and addressed. 

The Left/Right conflict is mainly about the degree of concentration of resources and power, not about how power is to be exercised. Thus it misses the central issue of checking destructive behaviors, and the historical evidence of this fault is the emergence of equally dysfunctional Leftist and Rightist regimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We should distinguish between political oscillations that reflect inefficient seeking of optimal structures, and fundamental conflicts that represent logically opposed belief systems.</p>

	<p>For example, lying as a defensible means to desirable ends is rejected in principle by Kantians. It may be argued that this view will ultimately prevail on pragmatic grounds in a highly interconnected world. As society becomes more tightly integrated, the utility of lying diminishes, because greater transparency and closer coupling of individuals and institutions reduces the advantages of lying and increases the penalties. Right now, the global financial system is being devastated as a result of widespread lying about risk, combined with huge amounts of leverage and closely coupled financial institutions. Eventually, the behavioral root of this debacle (Machiavellian zero-sum conduct) will be recognized and addressed.</p>

	<p>The Left/Right conflict is mainly about the degree of concentration of resources and power, not about how power is to be exercised. Thus it misses the central issue of checking destructive behaviors, and the historical evidence of this fault is the emergence of equally dysfunctional Leftist and Rightist regimes.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why bother with an over-simplified spectrum when you can add two more dimensions to produce a recurrent helix which periodically plunges from fascism to communism as it winds its way through liberalism and up to fascism once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why bother with an over-simplified spectrum when you can add two more dimensions to produce a recurrent helix which periodically plunges from fascism to communism as it winds its way through liberalism and up to fascism once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for one thing, it will have achieved progressive reforms.  But putting that aside for a moment, I think you need to elaborate further upon the opposition of Kantian to Machiavellian.  Whilst I&#039;m not denying their, possible, differences (there are a number of ways of reading Machiavelli) I&#039;m not clear how pragmatism is considered the middle ground between the two.  I would have thought the general reading of a Machiavellian position would be one of pragmatism, honesty a Kantian one.  But that is too shallow a notion for any substantive policy position surely.
I agree that the Left/Right divide is simplistic outside of extreme positions (and problematic even then) and something of a relic of the conflicts of the 20th Century.  Yet it strikes me that Machiavellian-Kantian throws up as many, if not more issues.  
Perhaps the problem is actually with theoretical polarisations and the notion of a political spectrum as continuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, for one thing, it will have achieved progressive reforms.  But putting that aside for a moment, I think you need to elaborate further upon the opposition of Kantian to Machiavellian.  Whilst I&#8217;m not denying their, possible, differences (there are a number of ways of reading Machiavelli) I&#8217;m not clear how pragmatism is considered the middle ground between the two.  I would have thought the general reading of a Machiavellian position would be one of pragmatism, honesty a Kantian one.  But that is too shallow a notion for any substantive policy position surely.<br />
I agree that the Left/Right divide is simplistic outside of extreme positions (and problematic even then) and something of a relic of the conflicts of the 20th Century.  Yet it strikes me that Machiavellian-Kantian throws up as many, if not more issues.<br />
Perhaps the problem is actually with theoretical polarisations and the notion of a political spectrum as continuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/11/arma-diavloumque-cano/comment-page-2/#comment-258509</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh lord.</p>
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