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	<title>Comments on: Also, You Have Not Been Exclusively Selected to Receive This Offer</title>
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		<title>By: Stark</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/11/12/also-you-have-not-been-exclusively-selected-to-receive-this-offer/comment-page-1/#comment-258662</link>
		<dc:creator>Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I log onto Verizon&#039;s &#039;Mobile Web&#039; from my cell phone there&#039;s an ad at the top telling me I have one unread text message.  The icon they use in the ad is nearly identical to the icon that appears on my phone when I actually do receive a text message and, needless to say, I too have a secret admirer in Brisbane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When I log onto Verizon&#8217;s &#8216;Mobile Web&#8217; from my cell phone there&#8217;s an ad at the top telling me I have one unread text message.  The icon they use in the ad is nearly identical to the icon that appears on my phone when I actually do receive a text message and, needless to say, I too have a secret admirer in Brisbane.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I could see telling someone you met through a dating service who you decided you really didn&#039;t ever want to see again that you had been paid to string them along by the dating service. It would be really mean (and I wouldn&#039;t do it if they knew my address), but it might silence an annoying and persistent suitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, I could see telling someone you met through a dating service who you decided you really didn&#8217;t ever want to see again that you had been paid to string them along by the dating service. It would be really mean (and I wouldn&#8217;t do it if they knew my address), but it might silence an annoying and persistent suitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, as Robin says, I can see that as a serious loss leader, but you are right that it doesn&#039;t make sense as a general business strategy. You&#039;d have to be paying locals to fake it, which would up the cost by around an order of magnitude (unless you could pay piece rate) and make the coordination much harder, plus face to face contact adds risks.

On the other hand, one date would probably make it possible to string the sucker out for an extra month, just on the hope they&#039;d get a second hit. Maybe if you charged $100/month for the service you could break even at $10/hour?

I think the sucker in the OP is definitely right to sue. We haven&#039;t had any independent enforcement of false advertising laws in the US in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.</i></p>

	<p>Okay, as Robin says, I can see that as a serious loss leader, but you are right that it doesn&#8217;t make sense as a general business strategy. You&#8217;d have to be paying locals to fake it, which would up the cost by around an order of magnitude (unless you could pay piece rate) and make the coordination much harder, plus face to face contact adds risks.</p>

	<p>On the other hand, one date would probably make it possible to string the sucker out for an extra month, just on the hope they&#8217;d get a second hit. Maybe if you charged $100/month for the service you could break even at $10/hour?</p>

	<p>I think the sucker in the OP is definitely right to sue. We haven&#8217;t had any independent enforcement of false advertising laws in the US in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.&lt;/i&gt;

Plausible - if he had a very high traffic blog or something. Viral marketing, dontcha know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.</i></p>

	<p>Plausible &#8211; if he had a very high traffic blog or something. Viral marketing, dontcha know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just found out my high school girlfriend is now a senior civil servant in Nigeria. She wants to get in touch, but her bank account has been frozen.&lt;/i&gt;

Dammit! It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s expensive beer--it hurts the sinuses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I just found out my high school girlfriend is now a senior civil servant in Nigeria. She wants to get in touch, but her bank account has been frozen.</i></p>

	<p>Dammit! It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s expensive beer&#8212;it hurts the sinuses!</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems like you could pay someone $1/hour in India or China to maintain less than once a day email contact with probably 10 people an hour&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It seems like you could pay someone $1/hour in India or China to maintain less than once a day email contact with probably 10 people an hour</i></p>

	<p>Yeah but this guy claimed the Match employee actually went out on a date with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Admirer in Brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secret Admirer in Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, doesn&#039;t that Quiggin feller blog here? I keep trying to friend him on Facebook, but he never replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Say, doesn&#8217;t that Quiggin feller blog here? I keep trying to friend him on Facebook, but he never replies.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found out my high school girlfriend is now a senior civil servant in Nigeria.  She wants to get in touch, but her bank account has been frozen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just found out my high school girlfriend is now a senior civil servant in Nigeria.  She wants to get in touch, but her bank account has been frozen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was also the Rapleaf thing from last year - there was a company called &#039;Upscoop&#039; that offered to check your online contacts and see which social networking sites they used. If you entered those contact names, they all had profiles created on Rapleaf, and got messages from Rapleaf saying their reputations had been searched there, do they want to update their profiles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There was also the Rapleaf thing from last year &#8211; there was a company called &#8216;Upscoop&#8217; that offered to check your online contacts and see which social networking sites they used. If you entered those contact names, they all had profiles created on Rapleaf, and got messages from Rapleaf saying their reputations had been searched there, do they want to update their profiles?</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the Classmates one isn&#039;t totally implausible, but Facebook is always popping up messages saying I have a secret admirer in Brisbane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I guess the Classmates one isn&#8217;t totally implausible, but Facebook is always popping up messages saying I have a secret admirer in Brisbane.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember somewhere around the peak of the dot-com frenzy, somebody (was it from razorfish?) gave a presentation to a webbie group here in Tokyo.  He kept using the word &quot;monetize&quot;, as in &quot;monetize the users.&quot;  Finally, partly because I hated the way he&#039;d braided his wispy little beard or something, I asked, &quot;Do you mean, &#039;make money off of&#039;&quot;?

In trying to frame his reply, his facial muscles began to pull so hard in opposing directions that I began to worry for him, and finally said, &quot;Forget it.&quot;   I&#039;d been planning to wonkishly engage him, mind-to-mind, on the question of whether &quot;monetize&quot; wouldn&#039;t more properly be construed as &quot;turn into a form of currency, for purposes of trade.&quot;  Then I realized he didn&#039;t know his own mind, and was afraid I&#039;d also get lost in his if I ventured in.

In retrospect, that latter sense of &quot;monetize&quot; might be closer to the mark, since we&#039;ve seen a lot of &quot;monetization&quot; attempts fall flat with users.  Companies trade your online identity info around, acquired in hopes it&#039;ll be worth more someday.  And maybe we&#039;ve had derivatives -- and derivatives of derivatives -- for those currencies for a while now.  Note that a lot of dot-com M&amp;A activity was of the stock-swap variety.  Yahoo&#039;s stock-only purchase of eGroups, for example  -- they were buying access to users, as the coin of some ghostly realm.  At more reasonable valuations of Yahoo stock, eGroup&#039;s price wasn&#039;t as gobsmackingly exorbitant as it seemed at the time.  

Similar behavior about users and &quot;eyeballs&quot; persists even recently.  It&#039;s not quite right to say, for example, that Google bought YouTube for a billion dollars or whatever the quoted figure was.  Google handed over Google stock (or options on such stock) to YouTube.  Look at Google stock today.  Do we say now that Google bought YouTube for half a billion dollars, not a billion, because of that drop in valuation while most of the options were still not fully vested?  What if Google stock halves again?  No, this is all more like swings in the values of currencies against each other.   

Maybe in the future, instead of 15 minutes of fame each, we&#039;ll all have 15 individual dollar bills (but no more, you don&#039;t want hyperinflation) each with a picture of ourselves, to issue to the Internet Ghost Economy.  All of us, that is, except for the anarchists, the gold-bug libertarians, and the privacy mavens, who will wear t-shirts saying &quot;monetize this!&quot;  (The privacy mavens will be wearing hoods as well, so that no counterfeiters can snap their pictures and issue dollars with their images.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I remember somewhere around the peak of the dot-com frenzy, somebody (was it from razorfish?) gave a presentation to a webbie group here in Tokyo.  He kept using the word &#8220;monetize&#8221;, as in &#8220;monetize the users.&#8221;  Finally, partly because I hated the way he&#8217;d braided his wispy little beard or something, I asked, &#8220;Do you mean, &#8216;make money off of&#8217;&#8221;?</p>

	<p>In trying to frame his reply, his facial muscles began to pull so hard in opposing directions that I began to worry for him, and finally said, &#8220;Forget it.&#8221;   I&#8217;d been planning to wonkishly engage him, mind-to-mind, on the question of whether &#8220;monetize&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t more properly be construed as &#8220;turn into a form of currency, for purposes of trade.&#8221;  Then I realized he didn&#8217;t know his own mind, and was afraid I&#8217;d also get lost in his if I ventured in.</p>

	<p>In retrospect, that latter sense of &#8220;monetize&#8221; might be closer to the mark, since we&#8217;ve seen a lot of &#8220;monetization&#8221; attempts fall flat with users.  Companies trade your online identity info around, acquired in hopes it&#8217;ll be worth more someday.  And maybe we&#8217;ve had derivatives&#8212;and derivatives of derivatives&#8212;for those currencies for a while now.  Note that a lot of dot-com M&#038;A activity was of the stock-swap variety.  Yahoo&#8217;s stock-only purchase of eGroups, for example &#8212;they were buying access to users, as the coin of some ghostly realm.  At more reasonable valuations of Yahoo stock, eGroup&#8217;s price wasn&#8217;t as gobsmackingly exorbitant as it seemed at the time.</p>

	<p>Similar behavior about users and &#8220;eyeballs&#8221; persists even recently.  It&#8217;s not quite right to say, for example, that Google bought YouTube for a billion dollars or whatever the quoted figure was.  Google handed over Google stock (or options on such stock) to YouTube.  Look at Google stock today.  Do we say now that Google bought YouTube for half a billion dollars, not a billion, because of that drop in valuation while most of the options were still not fully vested?  What if Google stock halves again?  No, this is all more like swings in the values of currencies against each other.</p>

	<p>Maybe in the future, instead of 15 minutes of fame each, we&#8217;ll all have 15 individual dollar bills (but no more, you don&#8217;t want hyperinflation) each with a picture of ourselves, to issue to the Internet Ghost Economy.  All of us, that is, except for the anarchists, the gold-bug libertarians, and the privacy mavens, who will wear t-shirts saying &#8220;monetize this!&#8221;  (The privacy mavens will be wearing hoods as well, so that no counterfeiters can snap their pictures and issue dollars with their images.)</p>
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		<title>By: Charles S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemuel,

It seems like you could pay someone $1/hour in India or China to maintain less than once a day email contact with probably 10 people an hour, so 80 people/8 hour day, repeating contact every two days = 160 people at a $20/month = $3200 inflow for $8/day * 30 days = $2400 outflow, for a monthly profit of 33%. 

There&#039;s a lot of slop in that rough guess, but it certainly looks like it could be profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>lemuel,</p>

	<p>It seems like you could pay someone $1/hour in India or China to maintain less than once a day email contact with probably 10 people an hour, so 80 people/8 hour day, repeating contact every two days = 160 people at a $20/month = $3200 inflow for $8/day * 30 days = $2400 outflow, for a monthly profit of 33%.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s a lot of slop in that rough guess, but it certainly looks like it could be profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for him.  Sue the daylights out of the scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good for him.  Sue the daylights out of the scum.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPowell, I believe the suit you are talking about was against Match . com, not Yahoo. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-11-18-matchmaking-fraud_x.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Article.&lt;/a&gt; Wikipedia says the suit was dropped, tho, for whatever that&#039;s worth.

I can&#039;t imagine how it would be a cost-effective business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>MPowell, I believe the suit you are talking about was against Match . com, not Yahoo. <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-11-18-matchmaking-fraud_x.htm" rel="nofollow">Article.</a> Wikipedia says the suit was dropped, tho, for whatever that&#8217;s worth.</p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how it would be a cost-effective business model.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my first effort:

http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/yahoo-class-action-lawsuit-settled/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here is my first effort:</p>

	<p><a href="http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/yahoo-class-action-lawsuit-settled/" rel="nofollow">http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/yahoo-class-action-lawsuit-settled/</a></p>
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