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	<title>Comments on: &#8230; why hast thou not the visage of a sweetie or a cutie?</title>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260487</link>
		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it depends on your definition of &#039;mistake.&#039; But I was assuming that genuine mistakes are always nonvoluntary, since it doesn&#039;t seem possible to voluntarily do something other than what you intend. On that view, a duty to not make mistakes would require something impossible, namely, that you have voluntary control over some non-voluntary action.  A duty to make mistakes would be incoherent for the same reason.

Of course, we have some voluntary control over whether and when we are prone to mistakes, so we can obviously have duties not to do thing that increase the likelihood of making them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I guess it depends on your definition of &#8216;mistake.&#8217; But I was assuming that genuine mistakes are always nonvoluntary, since it doesn&#8217;t seem possible to voluntarily do something other than what you intend. On that view, a duty to not make mistakes would require something impossible, namely, that you have voluntary control over some non-voluntary action.  A duty to make mistakes would be incoherent for the same reason.</p>

	<p>Of course, we have some voluntary control over whether and when we are prone to mistakes, so we can obviously have duties not to do thing that increase the likelihood of making them.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260418</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Jack D, I initially thought the joke must be that he&#039;d missed his chance to sell out. (Could be a T-shirt: &quot;Oh no, I forgot to sell out!&quot; A good gift for a philosophy professor, maybe.) The main reason I&#039;m commenting, tho, is to thank Chris for calling attention to the Ogden Nash poem, which is a delight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Like Jack D, I initially thought the joke must be that he&#8217;d missed his chance to sell out. (Could be a T-shirt: &#8220;Oh no, I forgot to sell out!&#8221; A good gift for a philosophy professor, maybe.) The main reason I&#8217;m commenting, tho, is to thank Chris for calling attention to the Ogden Nash poem, which is a delight.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260377</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And isn&#039;t it the duty of professors to be absent-minded?</description>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260361</link>
		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But can you have a duty not to make mistakes?&lt;/i&gt;

Surely this depends on the activity in which you might make the mistake. If you are working as an air traffic controller, it could be argued that you are presumed to have a duty not to make a mistake, since if you are discovered to have made a serious one, you will almost certainly be deprived of the opportunity to continue working as an air traffic controller.

In contrast, if you are working as a moral philosopher, it might be argued that you have a duty to make mistakes, so as to provide your fellow moral philosophers with continued gainful employment in discussing them. It&#039;s a vexed area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But can you have a duty not to make mistakes?</i></p>

	<p>Surely this depends on the activity in which you might make the mistake. If you are working as an air traffic controller, it could be argued that you are presumed to have a duty not to make a mistake, since if you are discovered to have made a serious one, you will almost certainly be deprived of the opportunity to continue working as an air traffic controller.</p>

	<p>In contrast, if you are working as a moral philosopher, it might be argued that you have a duty to make mistakes, so as to provide your fellow moral philosophers with continued gainful employment in discussing them. It&#8217;s a vexed area.</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
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		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But can you have a duty not to make mistakes?</description>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260305</link>
		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh noes, ethicists aren&#039;t ethical! it&#039;s so ironic it&#039;s probably true! dear oscar wilde, please point me towards some experimental philosophy that proves it with science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>oh noes, ethicists aren&#8217;t ethical! it&#8217;s so ironic it&#8217;s probably true! dear oscar wilde, please point me towards some experimental philosophy that proves it with science?</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260298</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because a Professor is giving a lecture on Duty doesn&#039;t mean he is in favour of it.  Maybe his take is: &quot;Nuts to Duty: stuff it, go to the pub and screw everyone else&quot;.  In which case, deliberate non-attendance would be more eloquent than any mere words he might have spoken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just because a Professor is giving a lecture on Duty doesn&#8217;t mean he is in favour of it.  Maybe his take is: &#8220;Nuts to Duty: stuff it, go to the pub and screw everyone else&#8221;.  In which case, deliberate non-attendance would be more eloquent than any mere words he might have spoken.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hurka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen:  One of one&#039;s duties is to keep track of one&#039;s duties.</description>
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		<title>By: jackd</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260288</link>
		<dc:creator>jackd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m a bit dim or perhaps it&#039;s because I&#039;m from the States, but &quot;sell-out lecture&quot; made me think he had betrayed his principles simply by agreeing to give the talk.  (The usage I would have expected to reflect the actual meaning was &quot;sold-out lecture&quot;.)

JP Stormcrow&#039;s version of the story is much funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m a bit dim or perhaps it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m from the States, but &#8220;sell-out lecture&#8221; made me think he had betrayed his principles simply by agreeing to give the talk.  (The usage I would have expected to reflect the actual meaning was &#8220;sold-out lecture&#8221;.)</p>

	<p><span class="caps">JP </span>Stormcrow&#8217;s version of the story is much funnier.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260282</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem. I think in order to play up the amusing angle, or the gotcha, the original article and commenters have elided somewhat.

The premise of the joke is that the professor was lecturing on duty and failed to be dutiful, isn&#039;t that right? but his failure was not one of dutifulness (grammar!?), if I read it correctly. He missed his own lecture because of a confusion over dates and was mortified, according to the article, when he found out what he&#039;d done.

If he&#039;d been at the pub in the full knowledge of his dereliction, and hadn&#039;t regretted his action, then I would agree his action was undutiful, but as it is it was something else. Forgetfulness, or poor calendar reading skills. I&#039;m not sure. But I think the deliberate setting of his gaffe against the content of his lecture is a bit of long-bow-drawing by a subeditor in need of an amusing angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ahem. I think in order to play up the amusing angle, or the gotcha, the original article and commenters have elided somewhat.</p>

	<p>The premise of the joke is that the professor was lecturing on duty and failed to be dutiful, isn&#8217;t that right? but his failure was not one of dutifulness (grammar!?), if I read it correctly. He missed his own lecture because of a confusion over dates and was mortified, according to the article, when he found out what he&#8217;d done.</p>

	<p>If he&#8217;d been at the pub in the full knowledge of his dereliction, and hadn&#8217;t regretted his action, then I would agree his action was undutiful, but as it is it was something else. Forgetfulness, or poor calendar reading skills. I&#8217;m not sure. But I think the deliberate setting of his gaffe against the content of his lecture is a bit of long-bow-drawing by a subeditor in need of an amusing angle.</p>
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		<title>By: joel hanes</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260281</link>
		<dc:creator>joel hanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: joel hanes</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260280</link>
		<dc:creator>joel hanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the post title.

Reminds me of this bit from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/544.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Toads&lt;/a&gt; by Philip Larkin :&lt;blockquote&gt;
Why should I let the toad work
Squat on my life?
Can&#039;t I use my wit as a pitchfork
And drive the brute off?

Six days of the week it soils
With its sickening poison -
Just for paying a few bills!
That&#039;s out of proportion.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Love the post title.</p>

	<p>Reminds me of this bit from <a href="http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/544.html" rel="nofollow">Toads</a> by Philip Larkin :<blockquote><br />
Why should I let the toad work<br />
Squat on my life?<br />
Can&#8217;t I use my wit as a pitchfork<br />
And drive the brute off?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Six days of the week it soils<br />
With its sickening poison &#8211; Just for paying a few bills!<br />
That&#8217;s out of proportion.<br />
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260279</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Kieran: I’m pretty sure you could trust me with your car.&lt;/i&gt;

I think this proves my point.</description>
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	<p>I think this proves my point.</p>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260277</link>
		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m enormously chuffed to learn from the link that there&#039;s a Mount Ararat Road in Richmond. What&#039;s more, if you cross The Vineyard you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/mount_ararat_road_afc.html#MAP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reach&lt;/a&gt; Paradise Road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m enormously chuffed to learn from the link that there&#8217;s a Mount Ararat Road in Richmond. What&#8217;s more, if you cross The Vineyard you can <a href="http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/mount_ararat_road_afc.html#MAP" rel="nofollow">reach</a> Paradise Road.</p>
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		<title>By: Muttley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/03/wonderful/comment-page-1/#comment-260237</link>
		<dc:creator>Muttley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t like to take their work home with them.</description>
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