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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/15/mainly-its-servants/comment-page-1/#comment-261217</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 60 percent of the $3 trillion federal budget goes for payments to individuals—mostly the poor and middle class. 

How much is almost immediately channeled back into other hands. I&#039;d argue almost all the aid to poor people comes with strings that indirectly, but strongly benefit wealthy people. 

Food stamps for example amount to a subsidy for grocery stores. Section 8 a subsidy for rapacious landlords etc.

The poor clearly benefit from this in some fashion, but so do the wealthy, and in a far more direct fashion then &quot;social order&quot; (though that too is extremely important).

From another tack, what does a low tax rate get you. The super rich have more income then anyone could ever need. Past a certain threshold the &quot;worth&quot; of money changes. It becomes a &quot;way to keep score&quot;, &quot;a stepping stone to immortality&quot;, &quot;a tool for social power&quot; or some other such use. Taxation often has little impact on these non monetary goals. When you already have more then you will ever need, what good does accumulating even more do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>About 60 percent of the $3 trillion federal budget goes for payments to individuals&#8212;mostly the poor and middle class.</p>

	<p>How much is almost immediately channeled back into other hands. I&#8217;d argue almost all the aid to poor people comes with strings that indirectly, but strongly benefit wealthy people.</p>

	<p>Food stamps for example amount to a subsidy for grocery stores. Section 8 a subsidy for rapacious landlords etc.</p>

	<p>The poor clearly benefit from this in some fashion, but so do the wealthy, and in a far more direct fashion then &#8220;social order&#8221; (though that too is extremely important).</p>

	<p>From another tack, what does a low tax rate get you. The super rich have more income then anyone could ever need. Past a certain threshold the &#8220;worth&#8221; of money changes. It becomes a &#8220;way to keep score&#8221;, &#8220;a stepping stone to immortality&#8221;, &#8220;a tool for social power&#8221; or some other such use. Taxation often has little impact on these non monetary goals. When you already have more then you will ever need, what good does accumulating even more do you?</p>
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		<title>By: grendelkhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>grendelkhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Barbar&lt;/b&gt;: That this statistic is routinely trotted out without the obvious accompaniment (the % of income or wealth belonging to the top 1%) irks me greatly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s a delicious cycle, as follows. The wealthy pay a high proportion of total tax receipts. Therefore their tax rate is too high. Reduce the taxes on the wealthy. Observe as they accrete more and more wealth. Then note that they pay a high proportion of total tax receipts. &lt;i&gt;Delicious!&lt;/i&gt;

Y&#039;know, I remember reading about Bartels&#039;s research, and seeing some reactions along the lines of &quot;In Other News: Water May Be Wet&quot;. Because, of course, it&#039;s blindingly obvious that legislators serve their wealthiest constituents first, the middle class maybe, and the poor ones not at all, and you&#039;d have to be dumb as a sack of rocks to think otherwise. But, as we&#039;ve seen here, Bartels&#039;s study is instrumental in responding to rock-sacks like Samuelson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote><b>Barbar</b>: That this statistic is routinely trotted out without the obvious accompaniment (the % of income or wealth belonging to the top 1%) irks me greatly.</blockquote></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s a delicious cycle, as follows. The wealthy pay a high proportion of total tax receipts. Therefore their tax rate is too high. Reduce the taxes on the wealthy. Observe as they accrete more and more wealth. Then note that they pay a high proportion of total tax receipts. <i>Delicious!</i></p>

	<p>Y&#8217;know, I remember reading about Bartels&#8217;s research, and seeing some reactions along the lines of &#8220;In Other News: Water May Be Wet&#8221;. Because, of course, it&#8217;s blindingly obvious that legislators serve their wealthiest constituents first, the middle class maybe, and the poor ones not at all, and you&#8217;d have to be dumb as a sack of rocks to think otherwise. But, as we&#8217;ve seen here, Bartels&#8217;s study is instrumental in responding to rock-sacks like Samuelson.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Further information on Charles Koch and his hired prizefighters at George Mason University and elsewhere is available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(Further information on Charles Koch and his hired prizefighters at George Mason University and elsewhere is available <a href="http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=9" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxlib is apparently Oxford&#039;s equivalent of the Cambridge Footlights. Dan, I&#039;m sure you have a promising career ahead of you in comedy. Have you thought of doing a sketch based around the idea of a Nozickian response to the current disaster? I&#039;m not really sure if that would be funny, though, or tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oxlib is apparently Oxford&#8217;s equivalent of the Cambridge Footlights. Dan, I&#8217;m sure you have a promising career ahead of you in comedy. Have you thought of doing a sketch based around the idea of a Nozickian response to the current disaster? I&#8217;m not really sure if that would be funny, though, or tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, nice links! And a very interesting study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Peter, nice links! And a very interesting study.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Whiteford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Whiteford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tangential to this topic, people may want to look at a recent OECD report on income distribution - 

http://www.oecd.org/document/53/0,3343,en_2649_33933_41460917_1_1_1_1,00.html

Chapter 4 of this report – which I wrote while working at the OECD – finds that the USA has the most progressive system of direct taxes (federal and state income taxes and employee social security taxes, but not employer social security taxes or indirect taxes) in the OECD, and the richest 10% of US households (in terms of disposable income adjusted for household size) pay 45% of direct taxes, also the highest share in the OECD.  Even after adjusting for the fact that the richest 10% of US households have one of the highest shares of income, the system of direct taxes remains the most progressive in the OECD.  

There are a number of other countries where the richest 10% pay a higher share of their incomes in taxes, but in these countries the poor and the middle class also pay a significantly higher share of their incomes in taxes, so that in these countries the tax systems are not as progressive as in the USA.

BUT --- One point to note is that progressivity describes the structure of taxes and benefits, but redistribution is determined both by the progressivity of taxes and benefits and the level of taxes and benefits. For example, a more progressive tax system may redistribute less than a less progressive system if the level of taxes is substantially lower.

In fact, the US even has the most redistributive system of direct taxes – that is, the direct tax system in the US reduces income inequality (not wealth) by more than any other country.

The report also points out that the USA is the only OECD country which redistributes more through the tax system than through the system of cash benefits.

What this mean of course is that other countries reduce inequality more through paying social security and other benefits than through taxes.

The other half of the equation is that the USA redistributes less through social security and unemployment payments etc. than most other countries.  Also most but not all other countries support families with children through cash benefits, whereas the USA mainly does this through the tax system.  

What is happening is that the US provides more social welfare through the tax system than most other countries, but relatively little social welfare through the social welfare system.  (In passing, Germany and France also provide a lot of welfare support through the tax system.)

Even though the US social security system overall is about average in progressivity, the overall redistributive effect is lower mainly because most other countries spend a lot more through their social security systems than the US.

So when you look at the combined effect of taxes and benefits overall the USA redistributes significantly less than most other OECD countries, despite the fact that it has the most progressive system of direct taxes.

The USA also starts off with one the highest levels of earnings inequality among OECD countries, so that when you look at household incomes “after” taxes and benefits, the USA is the fourth most unequal country in the OECD - after Mexico, Turkey and Portugal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tangential to this topic, people may want to look at a recent <span class="caps">OECD</span> report on income distribution &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/53/0,3343,en_2649_33933_41460917_1_1_1_1,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oecd.org/document/53/0,3343,en_2649_33933_41460917_1_1_1_1,00.html</a></p>

	<p>Chapter 4 of this report &#8211; which I wrote while working at the <span class="caps">OECD </span>&#8211; finds that the <span class="caps">USA</span> has the most progressive system of direct taxes (federal and state income taxes and employee social security taxes, but not employer social security taxes or indirect taxes) in the <span class="caps">OECD</span>, and the richest 10% of US households (in terms of disposable income adjusted for household size) pay 45% of direct taxes, also the highest share in the <span class="caps">OECD</span>.  Even after adjusting for the fact that the richest 10% of US households have one of the highest shares of income, the system of direct taxes remains the most progressive in the <span class="caps">OECD</span>.</p>

	<p>There are a number of other countries where the richest 10% pay a higher share of their incomes in taxes, but in these countries the poor and the middle class also pay a significantly higher share of their incomes in taxes, so that in these countries the tax systems are not as progressive as in the <span class="caps">USA</span>.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BUT </span>&#8212;- One point to note is that progressivity describes the structure of taxes and benefits, but redistribution is determined both by the progressivity of taxes and benefits and the level of taxes and benefits. For example, a more progressive tax system may redistribute less than a less progressive system if the level of taxes is substantially lower.</p>

	<p>In fact, the US even has the most redistributive system of direct taxes &#8211; that is, the direct tax system in the US reduces income inequality (not wealth) by more than any other country.</p>

	<p>The report also points out that the <span class="caps">USA</span> is the only <span class="caps">OECD</span> country which redistributes more through the tax system than through the system of cash benefits.</p>

	<p>What this mean of course is that other countries reduce inequality more through paying social security and other benefits than through taxes.</p>

	<p>The other half of the equation is that the <span class="caps">USA</span> redistributes less through social security and unemployment payments etc. than most other countries.  Also most but not all other countries support families with children through cash benefits, whereas the <span class="caps">USA</span> mainly does this through the tax system.</p>

	<p>What is happening is that the US provides more social welfare through the tax system than most other countries, but relatively little social welfare through the social welfare system.  (In passing, Germany and France also provide a lot of welfare support through the tax system.)</p>

	<p>Even though the US social security system overall is about average in progressivity, the overall redistributive effect is lower mainly because most other countries spend a lot more through their social security systems than the US.</p>

	<p>So when you look at the combined effect of taxes and benefits overall the <span class="caps">USA</span> redistributes significantly less than most other <span class="caps">OECD</span> countries, despite the fact that it has the most progressive system of direct taxes.</p>

	<p>The <span class="caps">USA</span> also starts off with one the highest levels of earnings inequality among <span class="caps">OECD</span> countries, so that when you look at household incomes &#8220;after&#8221; taxes and benefits, the <span class="caps">USA</span> is the fourth most unequal country in the <span class="caps">OECD </span>- after Mexico, Turkey and Portugal.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Barbar 12.15.08 at 8:53 pm
    Also, it should be pointed out that the richest 1% pay 4% of Social Security and Medicare taxes.&quot;

Since everybody pays  social security/medicare taxes, but only on the first $102,000 ($106,800 in 2009), this means the richest pay a very low percentage of their income to these taxes.  If your figures are true, it points to a really huge imbalance of wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Barbar 12.15.08 at 8:53 pm<br />
Also, it should be pointed out that the richest 1% pay 4% of Social Security and Medicare taxes.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Since everybody pays  social security/medicare taxes, but only on the first $102,000 ($106,800 in 2009), this means the richest pay a very low percentage of their income to these taxes.  If your figures are true, it points to a really huge imbalance of wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If the GMU economists are biased towards the wealthy because their primary funding comes from wealthy people, what can we say about the bias of (the large numbers of) other economists whose primary funding comes from the state…?&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t George Mason primarily funded by the state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If the <span class="caps">GMU</span> economists are biased towards the wealthy because their primary funding comes from wealthy people, what can we say about the bias of (the large numbers of) other economists whose primary funding comes from the state&#8230;?</i></p>

	<p>Isn&#8217;t George Mason primarily funded by the state?</p>
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		<title>By: Burghman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burghman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; average tax rate of the wealthiest 1% fell to its lowest level in at least 18 years,” allowing the wealthiest 1% of Americans to garner “the highest share of the nation’s adjusted gross income for two decades, and possibly the highest since 1929.” 

The “average tax rate in 2006 for the top 1%, based on adjusted gross income, was 22.8%,” down from “28.9% in 1996, and…24% in 1988″: &lt;/b&gt;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121677287690575589.html?=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b> average tax rate of the wealthiest 1% fell to its lowest level in at least 18 years,&#8221; allowing the wealthiest 1% of Americans to garner &#8220;the highest share of the nation&#8217;s adjusted gross income for two decades, and possibly the highest since 1929.&#8221;</b></p>

	<p>The &#8220;average tax rate in 2006 for the top 1%, based on adjusted gross income, was 22.8%,&#8221; down from &#8220;28.9% in 1996, and&#8230;24% in 1988&#8243;: </p>

	<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121677287690575589.html?=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121677287690575589.html?=special_page_campaign2008_leftbox</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30: &lt;i&gt;. Otherwise, their constituency consist entirely of libertarian academics, working for the Koch foundation, aka the George Mason University economics department, or various of the many libertarian think tanks that have been set up by the wealthiest as their form of the strategy of tension – that is, the dissemination of lies and misleading memes.&lt;/i&gt;

What amazes me about this line of criticism of the GMU economics (which seems to be trotted out fairly often) is that its proponents are never consistent in its application. If the GMU economists are biased towards the wealthy because their primary funding comes from wealthy people, what can we say about the bias of (the large numbers of) other economists whose primary funding comes from the state...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>30: <i>. Otherwise, their constituency consist entirely of libertarian academics, working for the Koch foundation, aka the George Mason University economics department, or various of the many libertarian think tanks that have been set up by the wealthiest as their form of the strategy of tension &#8211; that is, the dissemination of lies and misleading memes.</i></p>

	<p>What amazes me about this line of criticism of the <span class="caps">GMU</span> economics (which seems to be trotted out fairly often) is that its proponents are never consistent in its application. If the <span class="caps">GMU</span> economists are biased towards the wealthy because their primary funding comes from wealthy people, what can we say about the bias of (the large numbers of) other economists whose primary funding comes from the state&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the crash is showing, the private sector can do many things, but effectively allocate capital to the benefit of society as a whole is not one of them. There, the private sector sucks. Its suckiness, however, can be mitigated by making the hunt for ever higher yields - which is the driver behind misallocating capital - pointless. Which is why a pre-Reagan marginal tax rate would be an excellent outcome to the current downturn. Tax the wealthy so much on any compensation whatsover over, say, the 800,000 dollar mark that they can´t enrich themselves by their usual disheartening schemes, or entrench their positions in the political and economic marketplace, thus freezing or reversing social mobility - something which has turned the U.S. from the land of opportunity to the land of neo-feudalism. The wealthy have succeeded at creating a constituency for themselves -witness the few rightwing comments on this thread - but that constituency is in serious retreat, and it is increasingly mixed with the true crazies, the anti-Darwinist, anti-science, christian nationalist crowd. That is not a crowd that trusts them. Otherwise, their constituency consist entirely of libertarian academics, working for the Koch foundation, aka the George Mason University economics department, or various of the many libertarian think tanks that have been set up by the wealthiest as their form of the strategy of tension - that is, the dissemination of lies and misleading memes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As the crash is showing, the private sector can do many things, but effectively allocate capital to the benefit of society as a whole is not one of them. There, the private sector sucks. Its suckiness, however, can be mitigated by making the hunt for ever higher yields &#8211; which is the driver behind misallocating capital &#8211; pointless. Which is why a pre-Reagan marginal tax rate would be an excellent outcome to the current downturn. Tax the wealthy so much on any compensation whatsover over, say, the 800,000 dollar mark that they can&#180;t enrich themselves by their usual disheartening schemes, or entrench their positions in the political and economic marketplace, thus freezing or reversing social mobility &#8211; something which has turned the U.S. from the land of opportunity to the land of neo-feudalism. The wealthy have succeeded at creating a constituency for themselves <del>witness the few rightwing comments on this thread &#8211; but that constituency is in serious retreat, and it is increasingly mixed with the true crazies, the anti</del>Darwinist, anti-science, christian nationalist crowd. That is not a crowd that trusts them. Otherwise, their constituency consist entirely of libertarian academics, working for the Koch foundation, aka the George Mason University economics department, or various of the many libertarian think tanks that have been set up by the wealthiest as their form of the strategy of tension &#8211; that is, the dissemination of lies and misleading memes.</p>
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		<title>By: samg</title>
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		<dc:creator>samg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>according to a 2007 article in the new york times by david cay johnston, &quot;&#039;The top 1 percent received 21.8 percent of all reported income in 2005, up significantly from 19.8 percent the year before and more than double their share of income in 1980. The peak was in 1928, when the top 1 percent reported 23.9 percent of all income.&quot; given the quite proper progressivity of the tax system,  their 28 per cent tax burden is certainly no more than their fair share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>according to a 2007 article in the new york times by david cay johnston, &#8220;&#8217;The top 1 percent received 21.8 percent of all reported income in 2005, up significantly from 19.8 percent the year before and more than double their share of income in 1980. The peak was in 1928, when the top 1 percent reported 23.9 percent of all income.&#8221; given the quite proper progressivity of the tax system,  their 28 per cent tax burden is certainly no more than their fair share.</p>
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		<title>By: Burghman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burghman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican policy has been &quot;supply side&quot; - don&#039;t tax the rich because its better for everyone.

The average &quot;effective tax rate&quot; for the top 1 percent is around 22 percent.

Also, many people pay more in payroll taxes than income taxes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Republican policy has been &#8220;supply side&#8221; &#8211; don&#8217;t tax the rich because its better for everyone.</p>

	<p>The average &#8220;effective tax rate&#8221; for the top 1 percent is around 22 percent.</p>

	<p>Also, many people pay more in payroll taxes than income taxes</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really striking about Samuelson&#039;s piece is the assumption, natural to Beltway denizens, that lobbying is the only thing that matters, and that the fact that the rich pay some taxes proves they are not very good at it.

Given that it&#039;s less then six weeks since a prominently publicised celebration of democracy was held throughout the country, he might perhaps have devoted a sentence or two to disabusing the handful of naive WP readers who might still imagine, on the basis of high school civics lessons, that voting made some difference to political outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What&#8217;s really striking about Samuelson&#8217;s piece is the assumption, natural to Beltway denizens, that lobbying is the only thing that matters, and that the fact that the rich pay some taxes proves they are not very good at it.</p>

	<p>Given that it&#8217;s less then six weeks since a prominently publicised celebration of democracy was held throughout the country, he might perhaps have devoted a sentence or two to disabusing the handful of naive WP readers who might still imagine, on the basis of high school civics lessons, that voting made some difference to political outcomes.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Y. Mous</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/15/mainly-its-servants/comment-page-1/#comment-260996</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Y. Mous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can some academician in this forum actually provide numbers, or at least point to a source? These percentages aren&#039;t that informative. A loaf of bread costs the same for everyone. So does a Cadillac stretch limo. If 28% tax for the super-duper-ultra-rich means food, shelter, clothing, healthcare for, a pulled-out -of-ass-number, ten million people, it is more a case of the govt. not utilising the money properly rather than a case for a more equitable tax rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Can some academician in this forum actually provide numbers, or at least point to a source? These percentages aren&#8217;t that informative. A loaf of bread costs the same for everyone. So does a Cadillac stretch limo. If 28% tax for the super-duper-ultra-rich means food, shelter, clothing, healthcare for, a pulled-out <del>of</del>ass-number, ten million people, it is more a case of the govt. not utilising the money properly rather than a case for a more equitable tax rate.</p>
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