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		<title>By: dr ngo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/16/cooking-with-campbells-soup/comment-page-2/#comment-261427</link>
		<dc:creator>dr ngo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of substituting and upgrading (gentrifying?) one&#039;s diet, my wife offers the following observation WRT tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches.

  She started many years ago, as per the thread, with Campbell&#039;s condensed TS and Velveeta or &quot;American cheese&quot; on white bread cooked in margarine.  One of her great &quot;comfort foods.&quot;

Now when she&#039;s gloomy I fix her Progresso Hearty Tomato Soup and aged cheddar on some kind of &quot;artisan&quot; bread sauted in real butter (or, occasionally, bacon grease).

Plus ca change, plus c&#039;est le meme chose.   Or not.

  [Sprinkle in diacritics to taste.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In terms of substituting and upgrading (gentrifying?) one&#8217;s diet, my wife offers the following observation <span class="caps">WRT</span> tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches.</p>

	<p>She started many years ago, as per the thread, with Campbell&#8217;s condensed TS and Velveeta or &#8220;American cheese&#8221; on white bread cooked in margarine.  One of her great &#8220;comfort foods.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Now when she&#8217;s gloomy I fix her Progresso Hearty Tomato Soup and aged cheddar on some kind of &#8220;artisan&#8221; bread sauted in real butter (or, occasionally, bacon grease).</p>

	<p>Plus ca change, plus c&#8217;est le meme chose.   Or not.</p>

	<p>[Sprinkle in diacritics to taste.]</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/16/cooking-with-campbells-soup/comment-page-2/#comment-261355</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t stand Campbell&#039;s soup now, but I used to love it. (Lately I&#039;ve been on the Food Snob Diet and have lost 20 lbs and kept them off, so I&#039;m with George Orwell on the unsuspected upside of snobbery.) 

Back in the 1930s, Campbell&#039;s was famous for buying some huge percentage of New Jersey&#039;s tomato crop. New Jersey, if you didn&#039;t know, is still The Garden State. The trucks at the plant backed up for miles. and they did huge batch runs and cranked out a year&#039;s worth of soup inside of a month. Remember, if you wanted tomato products before then, you either had to wait for late summer, own a heated greenhouse or can your own. Campbell&#039;s tomato soup was part of a nutritional revolution. The 19th century diet was much more seasonal, and for a lot of the year, it was pretty god awful.

It&#039;s easy to put down industrial food now that we worry about poor people getting too fat rather than too skinny, but something amazing happened between 1890 and 1930. Manufacturing, which includes food processing, increased in efficiency by two or three orders of magnitude. All those pipes and tubes and cams and gears and electric eyes and automatic temperature controls were revolutionary, as were home refrigerators, automatic gas ranges, and electric toasters. In the 1930s, and the post-war 1950s those conveniences and convenience food really were part of the brave new world, it&#039;s just that most of us are too young to remember what it was like before then.

We&#039;ve been going through some old family recipes from the 1950s. (I&#039;ve been scanning them so I can find them on my computer.) The one for crab imperial was great, even if it didn&#039;t call for cream of mushroom soup. We&#039;re trying the Coca Cola cake next, but I doubt we can find real Coca Cola anymore. 

(P.S. You can substitute butter, cream and mushrooms for cream of mushroom soup, and you  can cook down a few fresh tomatoes in olive oil if you don&#039;t have any Campbell&#039;s handy. We&#039;ve also found that a good farmhouse cheddar makes a good substitute for those American cheese slices or Velveeta. Hmm, I may have an idea for a cookbook here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t stand Campbell&#8217;s soup now, but I used to love it. (Lately I&#8217;ve been on the Food Snob Diet and have lost 20 lbs and kept them off, so I&#8217;m with George Orwell on the unsuspected upside of snobbery.)</p>

	<p>Back in the 1930s, Campbell&#8217;s was famous for buying some huge percentage of New Jersey&#8217;s tomato crop. New Jersey, if you didn&#8217;t know, is still The Garden State. The trucks at the plant backed up for miles. and they did huge batch runs and cranked out a year&#8217;s worth of soup inside of a month. Remember, if you wanted tomato products before then, you either had to wait for late summer, own a heated greenhouse or can your own. Campbell&#8217;s tomato soup was part of a nutritional revolution. The 19th century diet was much more seasonal, and for a lot of the year, it was pretty god awful.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s easy to put down industrial food now that we worry about poor people getting too fat rather than too skinny, but something amazing happened between 1890 and 1930. Manufacturing, which includes food processing, increased in efficiency by two or three orders of magnitude. All those pipes and tubes and cams and gears and electric eyes and automatic temperature controls were revolutionary, as were home refrigerators, automatic gas ranges, and electric toasters. In the 1930s, and the post-war 1950s those conveniences and convenience food really were part of the brave new world, it&#8217;s just that most of us are too young to remember what it was like before then.</p>

	<p>We&#8217;ve been going through some old family recipes from the 1950s. (I&#8217;ve been scanning them so I can find them on my computer.) The one for crab imperial was great, even if it didn&#8217;t call for cream of mushroom soup. We&#8217;re trying the Coca Cola cake next, but I doubt we can find real Coca Cola anymore.</p>

	<p>(P.S. You can substitute butter, cream and mushrooms for cream of mushroom soup, and you  can cook down a few fresh tomatoes in olive oil if you don&#8217;t have any Campbell&#8217;s handy. We&#8217;ve also found that a good farmhouse cheddar makes a good substitute for those American cheese slices or Velveeta. Hmm, I may have an idea for a cookbook here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/16/cooking-with-campbells-soup/comment-page-2/#comment-261339</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About twenty years ago on a trip back to the States we bought a wonderful cookbook called White Trash Cooking.  I feel the discussion needs that book. It wasn&#039;t exactly what my Arkansas gramma used to cook, but was rather distilled essence thereof.  I never had the potato chip sandwich (white bread, mayonnaise, potato chips), but it spoke to my childhood when I read about it.  And what about pickled pig&#039;s feet, my dad&#039;s favorite?  Then there were those biscuits and redeye gravy, not to mention the pork chops swimming in their own grease.  And best of all -- yes, we&#039;ve already hit on this -- the corn bread.  And nobody has mentioned punkin pie, which my English wife finds puzzling, since it seems no more than a vehicle for spices and sugar.  Yeah, so?  And what about the Dagwood sandwich, which had everything the fridge could throw at it: baloney, velveeta, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, mustard, mayonnaise, catchup for some, green pickle relish for others, etc. etc.?  My patience with English food, nay, enthusiasm, stops with the English sandwich, a pale imitation of the real thing (reminiscent of the mashed potato sandwiches that Blondie made for Dagwood, but we won&#039;t go there.)  You&#039;ve got me started.  I&#039;m going down and raid the fridge.  It&#039;s called &#039;grazing&#039; by food social scientists.  I call it life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>About twenty years ago on a trip back to the States we bought a wonderful cookbook called White Trash Cooking.  I feel the discussion needs that book. It wasn&#8217;t exactly what my Arkansas gramma used to cook, but was rather distilled essence thereof.  I never had the potato chip sandwich (white bread, mayonnaise, potato chips), but it spoke to my childhood when I read about it.  And what about pickled pig&#8217;s feet, my dad&#8217;s favorite?  Then there were those biscuits and redeye gravy, not to mention the pork chops swimming in their own grease.  And best of all&#8212;yes, we&#8217;ve already hit on this&#8212;the corn bread.  And nobody has mentioned punkin pie, which my English wife finds puzzling, since it seems no more than a vehicle for spices and sugar.  Yeah, so?  And what about the Dagwood sandwich, which had everything the fridge could throw at it: baloney, velveeta, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, mustard, mayonnaise, catchup for some, green pickle relish for others, etc. etc.?  My patience with English food, nay, enthusiasm, stops with the English sandwich, a pale imitation of the real thing (reminiscent of the mashed potato sandwiches that Blondie made for Dagwood, but we won&#8217;t go there.)  You&#8217;ve got me started.  I&#8217;m going down and raid the fridge.  It&#8217;s called &#8216;grazing&#8217; by food social scientists.  I call it life.</p>
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		<title>By: Eimear Ní Mhéalóid</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/16/cooking-with-campbells-soup/comment-page-2/#comment-261307</link>
		<dc:creator>Eimear Ní Mhéalóid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Christmas morning treat was Lustre grapefruit segments in syrup.  We far preferred them to actual grapefruit. 

The dirty culinary secret in our house is that my mother thickens her soup (chicken and vegetable made with homemade stock and pureed fresh veg) with Thick Chicken packet soup and also thickens her stew with either Scotch Broth or Beef and Vegetable packet soup, depending on whether it&#039;s lamb or beef stew.  And they&#039;re all absolutely delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Our Christmas morning treat was Lustre grapefruit segments in syrup.  We far preferred them to actual grapefruit.</p>

	<p>The dirty culinary secret in our house is that my mother thickens her soup (chicken and vegetable made with homemade stock and pureed fresh veg) with Thick Chicken packet soup and also thickens her stew with either Scotch Broth or Beef and Vegetable packet soup, depending on whether it&#8217;s lamb or beef stew.  And they&#8217;re all absolutely delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: tariqata</title>
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		<dc:creator>tariqata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But why would you slice an apple for a school lunch?&lt;/i&gt;

So that you can eat the slices of apple with slices of cheddar cheese on top, of course. Still my favourite snack!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But why would you slice an apple for a school lunch?</i></p>

	<p>So that you can eat the slices of apple with slices of cheddar cheese on top, of course. Still my favourite snack!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You slice an apple for a school lunch, because otherwise they take two bites out of the apple and throw the rest away. Much better to send a couple of slices or half an apple sliced.

I grew up in the 70&#039;s eating an amazing dish called &quot;Six Can Casserole&quot; - one can cream of mush, one can cream of chick, evap. milk, chow mein noodles (another great 70&#039;s food), and two small cans chicken. Mix and heat. I still make it every five years or so as a tribute to my small town midwestern roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You slice an apple for a school lunch, because otherwise they take two bites out of the apple and throw the rest away. Much better to send a couple of slices or half an apple sliced.</p>

	<p>I grew up in the 70&#8217;s eating an amazing dish called &#8220;Six Can Casserole&#8221; &#8211; one can cream of mush, one can cream of chick, evap. milk, chow mein noodles (another great 70&#8217;s food), and two small cans chicken. Mix and heat. I still make it every five years or so as a tribute to my small town midwestern roots.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why would you slice an apple for a school lunch? Children generally have a full set of teeth by the time they get to school, don&#039;t they? And they&#039;ve worked out how to use their opposable thumb thingies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But why would you slice an apple for a school lunch? Children generally have a full set of teeth by the time they get to school, don&#8217;t they? And they&#8217;ve worked out how to use their opposable thumb thingies?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, must have done something.  SB:

frozen grated cheese + frozen (or fresh) flour* tortillas + a hot griddle + about 3 minutes = enough calories to tame the ravening horde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry, must have done something.  SB:</p>

	<p>frozen grated cheese + frozen (or fresh) flour* tortillas + a hot griddle + about 3 minutes = enough calories to tame the ravening horde.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine @ 25: &lt;i&gt;    What kind of too-much-disposable-income fool would you have to be to pay a premium to not have to grate your own damn cheese?&lt;/i&gt;  Round these parts, grated and bulk Kraft-type cheese are similar in price.  You take 2 (or 3, 4, or 5) famished adolescent males barging into the house  at about 3:30 pm, and frozen grated cheese + frozen (or fresh)  flour* tortillas + a hot griddle + about 3 minutes = eno

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*Theron@43 -- seems to be a regional variation.  For us, corn tortillas for enchiladas and other baked recipes; flour for quesadillas and burritos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Katherine @ 25: <i>    What kind of too-much-disposable-income fool would you have to be to pay a premium to not have to grate your own damn cheese?</i>  Round these parts, grated and bulk Kraft-type cheese are similar in price.  You take 2 (or 3, 4, or 5) famished adolescent males barging into the house  at about 3:30 pm, and frozen grated cheese + frozen (or fresh)  flour* tortillas + a hot griddle + about 3 minutes = eno</p>

	<p>===</p>
	<p>*Theron@43&#8212;seems to be a regional variation.  For us, corn tortillas for enchiladas and other baked recipes; flour for quesadillas and burritos.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Maier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Maier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid we toasted cheese meant american cheese on white bread.  Recently, though, we&#039;ve been having cheddar on pumpernickel, which I find heavenly - try it some time if you haven&#039;t (make sure the cheese is melted through).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When I was a kid we toasted cheese meant american cheese on white bread.  Recently, though, we&#8217;ve been having cheddar on pumpernickel, which I find heavenly &#8211; try it some time if you haven&#8217;t (make sure the cheese is melted through).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a somewhat different experience, I guess.  Growing up I ate a lot of food whose chief virtue was that it wasn&#039;t very expensive.  (I don&#039;t think it was unhealthy, though- just cheap.)  At the time I liked most all of it.  Years later  I asked my mother for the recipes of some of the items (tuna patties, various other dishes) and made them myself.  Maybe I just a lack her touch (though she did do a pretty good job of teaching me to cook) but now rather than find them &quot;comforting&quot; I found them bad.  I asked her about it and she said that she&#039;s always found them not so good, either, and that she&#039;d made them because we were poor and had stopped making them when we got more money.  The &quot;comfort food&quot; of the bad food of one&#039;s childhood has never really worked for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve had a somewhat different experience, I guess.  Growing up I ate a lot of food whose chief virtue was that it wasn&#8217;t very expensive.  (I don&#8217;t think it was unhealthy, though- just cheap.)  At the time I liked most all of it.  Years later  I asked my mother for the recipes of some of the items (tuna patties, various other dishes) and made them myself.  Maybe I just a lack her touch (though she did do a pretty good job of teaching me to cook) but now rather than find them &#8220;comforting&#8221; I found them bad.  I asked her about it and she said that she&#8217;s always found them not so good, either, and that she&#8217;d made them because we were poor and had stopped making them when we got more money.  The &#8220;comfort food&#8221; of the bad food of one&#8217;s childhood has never really worked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Theron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Frito Pie - there is the baked version, but the best is when you just open up a small bag of Fritos and pour chili into it. Got me through many a freezing football game when I was in marching band. The home food we had all the time was Tex-Mex - I grew up in GA, but my family is from Texas. Rice, beans and corn tortillas (not those flour abominations) - hard to go wrong. More often than not, we had tostadas. Some years ago tostada shells disappeared from most grocery stores. I have no idea why - they are so convenient and versatile. I have to get them from the Mexican grocery store now, which is fine, except those brands are more fragile, and about 20% or so of the bag goes to waste through breakage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: Frito Pie &#8211; there is the baked version, but the best is when you just open up a small bag of Fritos and pour chili into it. Got me through many a freezing football game when I was in marching band. The home food we had all the time was Tex-Mex &#8211; I grew up in GA, but my family is from Texas. Rice, beans and corn tortillas (not those flour abominations) &#8211; hard to go wrong. More often than not, we had tostadas. Some years ago tostada shells disappeared from most grocery stores. I have no idea why &#8211; they are so convenient and versatile. I have to get them from the Mexican grocery store now, which is fine, except those brands are more fragile, and about 20% or so of the bag goes to waste through breakage.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second this.  When somebody doesn&#039;t know much about cooking, doing anything is time-consuming and expensive and has a high failure chance.  To a surprising degree, to somebody with moderate cooking skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I second this.  When somebody doesn&#8217;t know much about cooking, doing anything is time-consuming and expensive and has a high failure chance.  To a surprising degree, to somebody with moderate cooking skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you know how to cook, it&#039;s easy to forget that lots of people don&#039;t know how to do even simple kitchen tasks.  Have you ever watched a non-cook trying to peel a clove of garlic?

My nephews used to give little onion-chopping machines for Christmas.  Some of the devices were rather admirable in their useless ingenuity, but they were all harder to clean than the knife I use to chop up an onion in maybe 30 seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you know how to cook, it&#8217;s easy to forget that lots of people don&#8217;t know how to do even simple kitchen tasks.  Have you ever watched a non-cook trying to peel a clove of garlic?</p>

	<p>My nephews used to give little onion-chopping machines for Christmas.  Some of the devices were rather admirable in their useless ingenuity, but they were all harder to clean than the knife I use to chop up an onion in maybe 30 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hurka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a kid I gave my mother, who was a really good cook, The I Hate to Cook Book, not really knowing what was inside. Not a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a kid I gave my mother, who was a really good cook, The I Hate to Cook Book, not really knowing what was inside. Not a good idea.</p>
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