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	<title>Comments on: Uh oh. Somebody cut the cake. I told them to wait for you, but they cut it anyway. There is still some left, though, if you hurry back.</title>
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		<title>By: newshutz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-262015</link>
		<dc:creator>newshutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Just like the Republicans, only somewhat slightly less so”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course if you check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenextright.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;republicans&lt;/a&gt;, they are saying they have to stop being just like the democrats, only somewhat less so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>&#8220;Just like the Republicans, only somewhat slightly less so&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Of course if you check out the <a href="http://thenextright.com/" rel="nofollow">republicans</a>, they are saying they have to stop being just like the democrats, only somewhat less so.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261907</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cake is a lie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The cake is a lie!</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261896</link>
		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . a tempest in a &lt;i&gt;weak&lt;/i&gt; teapot, evidently . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>. . . a tempest in a <i>weak</i> teapot, evidently . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261893</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yglesias needs to get with the program: hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit is the new black, and we&#039;re all gonna party like it&#039;s 1993. If he keeps deviating from the &quot;Just like the Republicans, only somewhat slightly less so&quot; orthodoxy he&#039;s not going to be invited to any more good parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yglesias needs to get with the program: hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit is the new black, and we&#8217;re all gonna party like it&#8217;s 1993. If he keeps deviating from the &#8220;Just like the Republicans, only somewhat slightly less so&#8221; orthodoxy he&#8217;s not going to be invited to any more good parties.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261883</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can never have too many &lt;i&gt;Portal&lt;/i&gt; references.

Third Way has just ensured that it will be associated with this little incident (and thus will inspire the same reaction as &#039;DLC&#039; in certain circles on the left) for the years to come. Nice work, peeps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can never have too many <i>Portal</i> references.</p>

	<p>Third Way has just ensured that it will be associated with this little incident (and thus will inspire the same reaction as &#8216;DLC&#8217; in certain circles on the left) for the years to come. Nice work, peeps.</p>
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		<title>By: politicalfootball</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261861</link>
		<dc:creator>politicalfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that the critique here is essentially operational - what Palmieri did was bad because it didn&#039;t work. I&#039;d propose that:

1 - Third Way wanted to throw it&#039;s weight around and make sure that Yglesias understood that Third Way had enough pull to reach into his blog.
2 - Palmieri abetted this.
3 - Yglesias allowed this.
4 - Yglesias&#039;s readers objected.

Of these events, No. 4 is the only one that seems unambiguously okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the critique here is essentially operational &#8211; what Palmieri did was bad because it didn&#8217;t work. I&#8217;d propose that:</p>

	<p>1 &#8211; Third Way wanted to throw it&#8217;s weight around and make sure that Yglesias understood that Third Way had enough pull to reach into his blog.<br />
2 &#8211; Palmieri abetted this.<br />
3 &#8211; Yglesias allowed this.<br />
4 &#8211; Yglesias&#8217;s readers objected.</p>

	<p>Of these events, No. 4 is the only one that seems unambiguously okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261856</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY’s original comment than it would otherwise have received.&lt;/i&gt;

Externally, the comment was probably not a net plus.  However, if it managed to stall some massive infighting, bad feelings, etc. inside the organizations, it was still a wise thing to do.

Egos are delicate, and way too many organizations that are nominally pointing in the same direction spend their time fighting each other rather than all pushing together because of past indiscretions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY&#8217;s original comment than it would otherwise have received.</i></p>

	<p>Externally, the comment was probably not a net plus.  However, if it managed to stall some massive infighting, bad feelings, etc. inside the organizations, it was still a wise thing to do.</p>

	<p>Egos are delicate, and way too many organizations that are nominally pointing in the same direction spend their time fighting each other rather than all pushing together because of past indiscretions.</p>
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		<title>By: liza</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261834</link>
		<dc:creator>liza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you the whole brou-ha-ha debate just for that Portals reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>you the whole brou-ha-ha debate just for that Portals reference.</p>
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		<title>By: bob mcmanus</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261812</link>
		<dc:creator>bob mcmanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think only a Congressperson, powerful lobbyist or high WH staffer would have the clout, the ego, and the stupidity to make this happen. Check out the names at Third Way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think only a Congressperson, powerful lobbyist or high WH staffer would have the clout, the ego, and the stupidity to make this happen. Check out the names at Third Way.</p>
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		<title>By: SocraticGadfly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261809</link>
		<dc:creator>SocraticGadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try to invoke the Stalin Corollary, rather than the original version of Godwin; jazzes things up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I try to invoke the Stalin Corollary, rather than the original version of Godwin; jazzes things up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Swartz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261769</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Swartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF? Who let GlaDOS into the Pentagon? Military contractors were bad enough! Jesus, people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">WTF</span>? Who let GlaDOS into the Pentagon? Military contractors were bad enough! Jesus, people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261765</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that when you attempt damage-control PR and it makes the damage a lot worse instead, then yeah, you deserve criticism. When on top of it you also call your star blogger&#039;s editorial independence (as well your thinktank&#039;s intellectual independence from Village groupthink and logrolling) into question by intruding yourself into his blog, that doesns&#039;t exactly make it better. It&#039;s not immoral or anything, just not very bright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d say that when you attempt damage-control PR and it makes the damage a lot worse instead, then yeah, you deserve criticism. When on top of it you also call your star blogger&#8217;s editorial independence (as well your thinktank&#8217;s intellectual independence from Village groupthink and logrolling) into question by intruding yourself into his blog, that doesns&#8217;t exactly make it better. It&#8217;s not immoral or anything, just not very bright.</p>
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		<title>By: Watson Aname</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261760</link>
		<dc:creator>Watson Aname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also remarkably tone-deaf for someone in her position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s also remarkably tone-deaf for someone in her position.</p>
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		<title>By: alkali</title>
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		<dc:creator>alkali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY’s original comment than it would otherwise have received.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t deny that it&#039;s come in for a lot of criticism; the question is whether the criticism is really warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY&#8217;s original comment than it would otherwise have received.</i></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t deny that it&#8217;s come in for a lot of criticism; the question is whether the criticism is really warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/22/uh-oh-somebody-cut-the-cake-i-told-them-to-wait-for-you-but-they-cut-it-anyway-there-is-still-some-left-though-if-you-hurry-back/comment-page-1/#comment-261758</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not even sure that this is a mistake. &lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY&#039;s original comment than it would otherwise have received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I&#8217;m not even sure that this is a mistake. </blockquote>It&#8217;s a mistake in the sense of being massively counterproductive, since it drew 100,000 times as much attention to MY&#8217;s original comment than it would otherwise have received.</p>
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