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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262586</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;cricketers did a bit better.&quot;

 More than a bit - Learie Constantine got a peerage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;cricketers did a bit better.&#8221;</p>

	<p>More than a bit &#8211; Learie Constantine got a peerage.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262471</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;His kindness bangs a gong...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>His kindness bangs a gong&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262393</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roac: there&#039;s an argument whether the gongs of the past 15 years or so should be seen as grade inflation, or as recognising those overlooked in the past. For instance, if you look at the list of football knighthoods, the only non-manager was Stanley Matthews until Bobby Charlton got his in 1994; cricketers did a bit better.  That&#039;s just to say that a CBE in 1972 was quite a gong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>roac: there&#8217;s an argument whether the gongs of the past 15 years or so should be seen as grade inflation, or as recognising those overlooked in the past. For instance, if you look at the list of football knighthoods, the only non-manager was Stanley Matthews until Bobby Charlton got his in 1994; cricketers did a bit better.  That&#8217;s just to say that a <span class="caps">CBE</span> in 1972 was quite a gong.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262375</link>
		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This motivated me to look and see what Tolkien got.  (It&#039;s what I do.)  The answer was a CBE, although the British Empire, unlike the Monarchy, was not something he had much use for.

Incidentally, I recently discovered that JRRT was a close contemporary at King Edward&#039;s School of Marshal William Slim, the best general of WWII on the Allied side (some say either side).  &lt;b&gt;He&lt;/b&gt; was made a Viscount.

Wikipedia&#039;s list of KES Old Boys is fascinating.  Mark Steyn is one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This motivated me to look and see what Tolkien got.  (It&#8217;s what I do.)  The answer was a <span class="caps">CBE</span>, although the British Empire, unlike the Monarchy, was not something he had much use for.</p>

	<p>Incidentally, I recently discovered that <span class="caps">JRRT</span> was a close contemporary at King Edward&#8217;s School of Marshal William Slim, the best general of <span class="caps">WWII</span> on the Allied side (some say either side).  <b>He</b> was made a Viscount.</p>

	<p>Wikipedia&#8217;s list of <span class="caps">KES </span>Old Boys is fascinating.  Mark Steyn is one.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262367</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Prime Minister has another comment on Honours,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9WM6LCc0xk&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=D8F77CD5DAC4CC11&amp;playnext=1&amp;index=18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, Prime Minister has another comment on Honours,</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9WM6LCc0xk&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=D8F77CD5DAC4CC11&#038;playnext=1&#038;index=18" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9WM6LCc0xk&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=D8F77CD5DAC4CC11&#038;playnext=1&#038;index=18</a></p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-2/#comment-262360</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TV series &quot;Yes, Minister&quot; explained the honours, &quot;Doing the Honours&quot;.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbbDBnCsiM&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The TV series &#8220;Yes, Minister&#8221; explained the honours, &#8220;Doing the Honours&#8221;.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbbDBnCsiM&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbbDBnCsiM&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262340</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this history-unwinding bit:

&lt;i&gt;At one time, Professor Sir Tim may have been viewed as a controversial choice for a knighthood, declaring as he did in 2002 while heading up education in Birmingham, that the national curriculum was &quot;Stalinist&quot;.
But his inspirational, yet conciliatory leadership style won him more friends than enemies, and he was soon appointed London schools &quot;tsar&quot; and then chief adviser for London schools. &lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s kind of great to have a system to go from Stalinist to tsarist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I like this history-unwinding bit:</p>

	<p><i>At one time, Professor Sir Tim may have been viewed as a controversial choice for a knighthood, declaring as he did in 2002 while heading up education in Birmingham, that the national curriculum was &#8220;Stalinist&#8221;.<br />
But his inspirational, yet conciliatory leadership style won him more friends than enemies, and he was soon appointed London schools &#8220;tsar&#8221; and then chief adviser for London schools. </i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s kind of great to have a system to go from Stalinist to tsarist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262337</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years of parroting the mantra: Free Market Capitalism, and calling for more and more deregulation, the global financial crisis has rather tended to confirm JS Mill&#039;s description of Conservatives as &quot;the stupid party&quot;, which leaves us very short of a credible opposition party in Britain despite Gordon Brown&#039;s serial poor management of public finances when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Some leading economists in Britain were warning about the looming consequences of the house-price bubble back in 2002 and even before. Take, just for instance, Charles Goodhart:

&quot;CHARLES GOODHART, a former member of the Bank of England&#039;s monetary policy committee [and economics prof at the LSE], warned yesterday that the Bank is failing to take sufficient account of the house price boom in setting interest rates.

&quot;His warning comes amid growing fears among economists that house prices, fuelled by the lowest interest rates for 38 years, are getting out of control. Yesterday, new figures showed that homeowners are borrowing record amounts against the rising value of their homes. . . &quot; [6 April 2002]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2002/04/06/cngood06.xml

The rational expectation is that the Conservatives in opposition in 2002 and after would have kept on about this to call for measures to restrain the growing mountain of consumer indebtedness - which eventually reached UKP 1.4 trillion, about equal to the UK&#039;s annual GDP - and for an end to 100 per cent and better mortgages, especially to borrowers who were persuaded into lying or failing to declare their incomes in mortgage applications.

Apparently, bankers and mortgage brokers, blinded by incentives, really came to believe that average house prices would go on rising faster that average earnings indefinitely. But then, according to impeccable Conservative sources, of the Shadow Cabinet of 29 members, no less than 19 are millionaires. Why would they care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After years of parroting the mantra: Free Market Capitalism, and calling for more and more deregulation, the global financial crisis has rather tended to confirm <span class="caps">JS </span>Mill&#8217;s description of Conservatives as &#8220;the stupid party&#8221;, which leaves us very short of a credible opposition party in Britain despite Gordon Brown&#8217;s serial poor management of public finances when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer.</p>

	<p>Some leading economists in Britain were warning about the looming consequences of the house-price bubble back in 2002 and even before. Take, just for instance, Charles Goodhart:</p>

	<p>&#8220;CHARLES <span class="caps">GOODHART</span>, a former member of the Bank of England&#8217;s monetary policy committee [and economics prof at the <span class="caps">LSE</span>], warned yesterday that the Bank is failing to take sufficient account of the house price boom in setting interest rates.</p>

	<p>&#8220;His warning comes amid growing fears among economists that house prices, fuelled by the lowest interest rates for 38 years, are getting out of control. Yesterday, new figures showed that homeowners are borrowing record amounts against the rising value of their homes. . . &#8221; [6 April 2002]<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2002/04/06/cngood06.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2002/04/06/cngood06.xml</a></p>

	<p>The rational expectation is that the Conservatives in opposition in 2002 and after would have kept on about this to call for measures to restrain the growing mountain of consumer indebtedness &#8211; which eventually reached <span class="caps">UKP 1</span>.4 trillion, about equal to the UK&#8217;s annual <span class="caps">GDP </span>- and for an end to 100 per cent and better mortgages, especially to borrowers who were persuaded into lying or failing to declare their incomes in mortgage applications.</p>

	<p>Apparently, bankers and mortgage brokers, blinded by incentives, really came to believe that average house prices would go on rising faster that average earnings indefinitely. But then, according to impeccable Conservative sources, of the Shadow Cabinet of 29 members, no less than 19 are millionaires. Why would they care?</p>
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		<title>By: John  Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; Brits were nutters who went around frightening children. I&#039;m not up to snuff on diversity sensitivity, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought that <i>all</i> Brits were nutters who went around frightening children. I&#8217;m not up to snuff on diversity sensitivity, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262332</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It was professionally damaging for someone in authority to suggest that a Chief Education Officer went around frightening children&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed. I suspect a few years later, Patten would have been too scared of the legal consequences to say this, as the whole topic got that much more toxic.

This is also a broadcast from the Department of Yes, the Tories Really Were That Awful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>It was professionally damaging for someone in authority to suggest that a Chief Education Officer went around frightening children</em></p>

	<p>Indeed. I suspect a few years later, Patten would have been too scared of the legal consequences to say this, as the whole topic got that much more toxic.</p>

	<p>This is also a broadcast from the Department of Yes, the Tories Really Were That Awful.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262327</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As of July 2008 the House of Lords has 746 members, 100 more than the 646 seat House of Commons.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords

By precedent and tradition, peers in the Lords are much less compliant with guidance from party whips. Also, about 200 peers are declared &quot;independent Crossbenchers&quot; who are there mainly because of professional expertise or their career experience:
http://213.52.137.147/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;As of July 2008 the House of Lords has 746 members, 100 more than the 646 seat House of Commons.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords</a></p>

	<p>By precedent and tradition, peers in the Lords are much less compliant with guidance from party whips. Also, about 200 peers are declared &#8220;independent Crossbenchers&#8221; who are there mainly because of professional expertise or their career experience:<br />
<a href="http://213.52.137.147/" rel="nofollow">http://213.52.137.147/</a></p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262326</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are no material advantages per se. I imagine that someone younger and more ambitious would be able to generate some career advantages from it. As to tables at restaurants -- my dad is so well known at the Indian takeaways he frequents that the knighthood will not have any further effects.

A peerage is different, in two ways. On the one hand it allows you to sit in the Lords; on the other most peerages are offered by parties that expect you to take their whip. I imagine that it is far more common for people to turn down peerages than knighthoods, because the strings attached are visible, and accepting a peerage without an intention to toe the line is thought to be an act of bad faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, there are no material advantages per se. I imagine that someone younger and more ambitious would be able to generate some career advantages from it. As to tables at restaurants&#8212;my dad is so well known at the Indian takeaways he frequents that the knighthood will not have any further effects.</p>

	<p>A peerage is different, in two ways. On the one hand it allows you to sit in the Lords; on the other most peerages are offered by parties that expect you to take their whip. I imagine that it is far more common for people to turn down peerages than knighthoods, because the strings attached are visible, and accepting a peerage without an intention to toe the line is thought to be an act of bad faith.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262325</link>
		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is there any legal or material consequence to giving a title to Sir Harry, or Sir Mick, or Sir Derek?&lt;/i&gt;

None whatsoever. It&#039;s about like becoming an Honorary Colonel of Militia in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Basically, it&#039;s a way of the establishment saying, &quot;the guy done good&quot;. Knighthoods aren&#039;t peerages, so they don&#039;t entitle you to sit in the House of Lords; they may make it easier to get a table at the sort of restaurant you can imagine.

Congrats to Prof B., though, really. Sounds like the right sort of person to get a gong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Is there any legal or material consequence to giving a title to Sir Harry, or Sir Mick, or Sir Derek?</i></p>

	<p>None whatsoever. It&#8217;s about like becoming an Honorary Colonel of Militia in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Basically, it&#8217;s a way of the establishment saying, &#8220;the guy done good&#8221;. Knighthoods aren&#8217;t peerages, so they don&#8217;t entitle you to sit in the House of Lords; they may make it easier to get a table at the sort of restaurant you can imagine.</p>

	<p>Congrats to Prof B., though, really. Sounds like the right sort of person to get a gong.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right about the libel suit -- although Patten wasn&#039;t technically his boss; he was employed by the local education authority (Birmingham) which was Labour-run. The story I link to is, as far as I know, inaccurate, in that while I think my dad is sort of a Labur-supporter now, he wasn&#039;t one then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s right about the libel suit&#8212;although Patten wasn&#8217;t technically his boss; he was employed by the local education authority (Birmingham) which was Labour-run. The story I link to is, as far as I know, inaccurate, in that while I think my dad is sort of a Labur-supporter now, he wasn&#8217;t one then.</p>
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		<title>By: praisegod barebones</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/31/sir-nutter/comment-page-1/#comment-262322</link>
		<dc:creator>praisegod barebones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to your Dad.

About the libel award: am I right in thinking that part of the case was related not to the question of whether he was a nutter ( though I&#039;m sure he wasn&#039;t), but that it was professionally damaging for someone in authority to suggest that a Chief Education Officer went around frightening children.  

If so, I think its good to have libel laws to restrain people from saying this sort of thing.   Particularly when they are your boss, as John Patten, in his capacity as Education secretary presumably was Brighouse&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Congratulations to your Dad.</p>

	<p>About the libel award: am I right in thinking that part of the case was related not to the question of whether he was a nutter ( though I&#8217;m sure he wasn&#8217;t), but that it was professionally damaging for someone in authority to suggest that a Chief Education Officer went around frightening children.</p>

	<p>If so, I think its good to have libel laws to restrain people from saying this sort of thing.   Particularly when they are your boss, as John Patten, in his capacity as Education secretary presumably was Brighouse&#8217;s.</p>
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