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		<title>By: Tom Hurka</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/19/this-land-is-your-land/comment-page-2/#comment-264265</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hurka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 45

I love Sharon Jones, but I don&#039;t think her version of this song works.  Maybe sometimes a folk song is just a folk song.</description>
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	<p>I love Sharon Jones, but I don&#8217;t think her version of this song works.  Maybe sometimes a folk song is just a folk song.</p>
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		<title>By: salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/19/this-land-is-your-land/comment-page-2/#comment-264261</link>
		<dc:creator>salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was there, and tears ran down my face.&lt;/i&gt;

At least you didn&#039;t get an erection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I was there, and tears ran down my face.</i></p>

	<p>At least you didn&#8217;t get an erection.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Slothrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyrone Slothrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there, and tears ran down my face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was there, and tears ran down my face.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This version is still up:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0wiOHc9tI&amp;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This version is still up:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0wiOHc9tI&#038;amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0wiOHc9tI&#038;amp</a>;</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Yomtov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Yomtov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But he didn’t get shit-all passed until after the ‘64 elections. &lt;/i&gt;

The Civil Rights Act of 1964?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But he didn&#8217;t get shit-all passed until after the &#8216;64 elections. </i></p>

	<p>The Civil Rights Act of 1964?</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/19/this-land-is-your-land/comment-page-2/#comment-263952</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right up at the top it was mentioned (as if factual) that Woody was a member of the Communist Party. Not true, not true!  What is true is that he wrote &quot;Woody Sez&quot; as a weekly column in the publication of the American Communist Party, but refused to actually join. The Party really wanted him to spout the official dogma and he wouldn&#039;t.  At the Joe McCarthy hearings, he said, &quot;I ain&#039;t never been a Communist, but I been in the red all my life!&quot; They couldn&#039;t prove anything against him.  Seeger and many others tried to stand up to the HUAC hacks and were severely treated because of it; Seeger was banned from television appearances for many years until the Smothers Brothers brought him on their show in 1968.  They didn&#039;t last long after expressing their political side, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right up at the top it was mentioned (as if factual) that Woody was a member of the Communist Party. Not true, not true!  What is true is that he wrote &#8220;Woody Sez&#8221; as a weekly column in the publication of the American Communist Party, but refused to actually join. The Party really wanted him to spout the official dogma and he wouldn&#8217;t.  At the Joe McCarthy hearings, he said, &#8220;I ain&#8217;t never been a Communist, but I been in the red all my life!&#8221; They couldn&#8217;t prove anything against him.  Seeger and many others tried to stand up to the <span class="caps">HUAC</span> hacks and were severely treated because of it; Seeger was banned from television appearances for many years until the Smothers Brothers brought him on their show in 1968.  They didn&#8217;t last long after expressing their political side, either.</p>
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		<title>By: (O)CT(O)PUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>(O)CT(O)PUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The civil rights movement and the war in Vietnam informed my political and moral consciousness. I was a child of the times. About 14 years old at the time, and against my parents wishes, I hitched to Washington DC to witness Dr. King’s famous speech. I wanted to be part of the movement … and part of the moment.

Today, two of my own children are in Washington DC to attend the inauguration of President Barack Obama and bear witness to history. It makes me proud that they take an interest in our public life. It has been a long journey. Of all the memories I cherish, there are few more heartwarming and gratifying than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The civil rights movement and the war in Vietnam informed my political and moral consciousness. I was a child of the times. About 14 years old at the time, and against my parents wishes, I hitched to Washington DC to witness Dr. King&#8217;s famous speech. I wanted to be part of the movement &#8230; and part of the moment.</p>

	<p>Today, two of my own children are in Washington DC to attend the inauguration of President Barack Obama and bear witness to history. It makes me proud that they take an interest in our public life. It has been a long journey. Of all the memories I cherish, there are few more heartwarming and gratifying than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why Arlo loves him some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/off-the-bus-reporter/arlo-guthrie-endorses-ron_b_84229.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ron Paul.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s why Arlo loves him some <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/off-the-bus-reporter/arlo-guthrie-endorses-ron_b_84229.html" rel="nofollow">Ron Paul.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete and Arlo always sing those verses, I believe.   It&#039;s a great tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pete and Arlo always sing those verses, I believe.   It&#8217;s a great tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/19/this-land-is-your-land/comment-page-2/#comment-263943</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That ‘net was made for you &amp; me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But I wouldn&#039;t bet the farm on its staying that way much longer.  Because Big Telecom and Big Content both think, &quot;this net was made for me me me!&quot; and they can buy the politicians who can make it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>That &#8216;net was made for you &#038; me.</blockquote>But I wouldn&#8217;t bet the farm on its staying that way much longer.  Because Big Telecom and Big Content both think, &#8220;this net was made for me me me!&#8221; and they can buy the politicians who can make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Mutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.Mutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a video of Obama singing along with the &quot;Private property&quot; verse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is there a video of Obama singing along with the &#8220;Private property&#8221; verse?</p>
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		<title>By: salient</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/19/this-land-is-your-land/comment-page-2/#comment-263940</link>
		<dc:creator>salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you search for ‘Pete Seeger’ on youtube, you can find a video of the performance that is still up, or was a few minutes ago.&lt;/i&gt;

Shucks. I think HBO has a lot to learn about bit torrent and peer-to-peer.

&lt;i&gt;A great firewall there
Tried to stop me
Prevented access
through Firefox and IE
But via bit torrent
it says &quot;Download is complete&quot;

That &#039;net was made for you &amp; me.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If you search for &#8216;Pete Seeger&#8217; on youtube, you can find a video of the performance that is still up, or was a few minutes ago.</i></p>

	<p>Shucks. I think <span class="caps">HBO</span> has a lot to learn about bit torrent and peer-to-peer.</p>

	<p><i>A great firewall there<br />
Tried to stop me<br />
Prevented access<br />
through Firefox and IE<br />
But via bit torrent<br />
it says &#8220;Download is complete&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>That &#8216;net was made for you &#038; me.</p>
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		<title>By: DivGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it’s extremely naive to downplay the huge role played by the way that LBJ came into office, and the tide of sentiment that created.&lt;/i&gt;

But he didn&#039;t get shit-all passed until after the &#039;64 elections.  I think you&#039;re taking an emotional perspective on an event that was determined much more by structural factors and effective power politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I think it&#8217;s extremely naive to downplay the huge role played by the way that <span class="caps">LBJ</span> came into office, and the tide of sentiment that created.</i></p>

	<p>But he didn&#8217;t get shit-all passed until after the &#8216;64 elections.  I think you&#8217;re taking an emotional perspective on an event that was determined much more by structural factors and effective power politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Unk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great high wall there, that tried to stop me—
A great big sign there, said “Private Property”
While on the other side, it didn’t say nothing
That side was made for you and me.

The sheer volume in numbers of people listening to Tao Rodriguez sing, and watching Pete Seeger lead, is a testament to the meaning this has, to the unifying power of working together, instead of giving in to cynicism.

It&#039;s no problem to me, honest, that Pete gets a couple of lyrics wrong, or that he&#039;s a step slower than he used to be in leading out the words to a song. After all, he himself says he can hardly remember anything, about Odetta, or song lyrics or anything.  I&#039;d say that he does right well for a nearly-90.

You go, Pete.  And ... you go Tao.  Those guys were a good example of culture for my kids, who are 3 and almost 10 and love to sing.  The younger one asked for &quot;this land is my land, and your land,&quot; he asked for Pete Seeger, whom we sing about in lullabies.  He&#039;s got something to grow on, and so do we all, until we&#039;re dead. Or cynical.

Also?  Doesn&#039;t matter if German TV thinks that Bruce is singing the high hard tones that Tao makes (that sound like his granddaddy of old).  Doesn&#039;t matter whether they call it an Amtsantritt, or the slightly more sinister-sounding Amtseinfuehrung.  They&#039;re all watching, and many, many people worldwide are willing to hand in their Cynic&#039;s Union cards for something more wide and inclusive.  That&#039;s a good thing. Eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A great high wall there, that tried to stop me&#8212;<br />
A great big sign there, said &#8220;Private Property&#8221;<br />
While on the other side, it didn&#8217;t say nothing<br />
That side was made for you and me.</p>

	<p>The sheer volume in numbers of people listening to Tao Rodriguez sing, and watching Pete Seeger lead, is a testament to the meaning this has, to the unifying power of working together, instead of giving in to cynicism.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s no problem to me, honest, that Pete gets a couple of lyrics wrong, or that he&#8217;s a step slower than he used to be in leading out the words to a song. After all, he himself says he can hardly remember anything, about Odetta, or song lyrics or anything.  I&#8217;d say that he does right well for a nearly-90.</p>

	<p>You go, Pete.  And &#8230; you go Tao.  Those guys were a good example of culture for my kids, who are 3 and almost 10 and love to sing.  The younger one asked for &#8220;this land is my land, and your land,&#8221; he asked for Pete Seeger, whom we sing about in lullabies.  He&#8217;s got something to grow on, and so do we all, until we&#8217;re dead. Or cynical.</p>

	<p>Also?  Doesn&#8217;t matter if German TV thinks that Bruce is singing the high hard tones that Tao makes (that sound like his granddaddy of old).  Doesn&#8217;t matter whether they call it an Amtsantritt, or the slightly more sinister-sounding Amtseinfuehrung.  They&#8217;re all watching, and many, many people worldwide are willing to hand in their Cynic&#8217;s Union cards for something more wide and inclusive.  That&#8217;s a good thing. Eh?</p>
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		<title>By: George Reitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Reitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume &quot;Mike&quot; Kazin is the same fool who wrote this:

THE FACT THAT his [Howard Zinn] text barely mentions either conservatism or Christianity is telling. The former is nothing but an excuse to grind the poor (&quot;conservatism&quot; itself doesn&#039;t even appear in the index), while religion gets a brief mention during Anne Hutchinson&#039;s rebellion against the Puritan fathers and then vanishes from the next 370 years of history.

Given his approach to history, Zinn&#039;s angry pages about the global reach of U.S. power are about as surprising as his support for Ralph Nader in 2000. Of course, President William McKinley decided to go to war with Spain at &quot;the urging of the business community.&quot; Zinn ignores the scholarly verdict that most Americans from all classes and races backed the cause of &quot;Cuba Libre&quot;-but not the later decisions to vassalize the Caribbean island and colonize the Philippines. Of course, as an imperial bully, the United States had no right, in World War II, &quot;to step forward as a defender of helpless countries.&quot; Zinn thins the meaning of the biggest war in history down to its meanest components: profits for military industries, racism toward the Japanese, and the senseless destruction of enemy cities-from Dresden to Hiroshima. His chapter on that conflict does ring with a special passion; Zinn served as a bombardier in the European theater and the experience made him a lifelong pacifist. But the idea that Franklin Roosevelt and his aides were motivated both by realpolitik and by an abhorrence of fascism seems not to occur to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I assume &#8220;Mike&#8221; Kazin is the same fool who wrote this:</p>

	<p><span class="caps">THE FACT THAT</span> his [Howard Zinn] text barely mentions either conservatism or Christianity is telling. The former is nothing but an excuse to grind the poor (&#8220;conservatism&#8221; itself doesn&#8217;t even appear in the index), while religion gets a brief mention during Anne Hutchinson&#8217;s rebellion against the Puritan fathers and then vanishes from the next 370 years of history.</p>

	<p>Given his approach to history, Zinn&#8217;s angry pages about the global reach of U.S. power are about as surprising as his support for Ralph Nader in 2000. Of course, President William McKinley decided to go to war with Spain at &#8220;the urging of the business community.&#8221; Zinn ignores the scholarly verdict that most Americans from all classes and races backed the cause of &#8220;Cuba Libre&#8221;-but not the later decisions to vassalize the Caribbean island and colonize the Philippines. Of course, as an imperial bully, the United States had no right, in World War II, &#8220;to step forward as a defender of helpless countries.&#8221; Zinn thins the meaning of the biggest war in history down to its meanest components: profits for military industries, racism toward the Japanese, and the senseless destruction of enemy cities-from Dresden to Hiroshima. His chapter on that conflict does ring with a special passion; Zinn served as a bombardier in the European theater and the experience made him a lifelong pacifist. But the idea that Franklin Roosevelt and his aides were motivated both by realpolitik and by an abhorrence of fascism seems not to occur to him.</p>
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