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	<title>Comments on: Why you should read Charles Stross</title>
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		<title>By: Ilya</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/01/27/why-you-should-read-charles-stross/comment-page-1/#comment-264600</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Charlie isn’t all that fond of environmentalists, whom he tends to see as scaremongering Luddites, so there is no environmental crisis in his books.&lt;/b&gt;

Excuse me? In &quot;Saturn&#039;s Children&quot; runaway greenhouse effect had caused oceans to boil, and all eukariotic life on Earth is extinct. I would say this qualifies as &quot;environmental crisis&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b>Charlie isn&#8217;t all that fond of environmentalists, whom he tends to see as scaremongering Luddites, so there is no environmental crisis in his books.</b></p>

	<p>Excuse me? In &#8220;Saturn&#8217;s Children&#8221; runaway greenhouse effect had caused oceans to boil, and all eukariotic life on Earth is extinct. I would say this qualifies as &#8220;environmental crisis&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian McDonald does a great job imagining less westernised futures. River of Gods and Brasyl, especially.

But while we&#039;re accounting for lacunae, I don&#039;t think Charlie gets enough credit for having clever, no-nonsense women as leading characters, and also for not making a fuss about them. The detective in HS is a case in point.

You&#039;re right, Greg. It&#039;s a long while since I&#039;ve written anything about the train wreck. I&#039;ll get thinking about it. Not always easy to parse out the stuff I can write about work-wise, but very important nonetheless. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ian McDonald does a great job imagining less westernised futures. River of Gods and Brasyl, especially.</p>

	<p>But while we&#8217;re accounting for lacunae, I don&#8217;t think Charlie gets enough credit for having clever, no-nonsense women as leading characters, and also for not making a fuss about them. The detective in HS is a case in point.</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re right, Greg. It&#8217;s a long while since I&#8217;ve written anything about the train wreck. I&#8217;ll get thinking about it. Not always easy to parse out the stuff I can write about work-wise, but very important nonetheless. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that I could argue that the Laundry series, the HP Lovecraft homage, deal with many of the same issues as Halting State but in a much less direct way.  In those books, the technologies of surveillance and control are frequently co-opted.  It seems that in many of Charlie&#039;s books, the secret agents spend half or more of their time cleaning up the messes that their own technologies have caused.

That those technologies are suppose to deal with shambling horrors from the great beyond just make the books REALLY fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think that I could argue that the Laundry series, the <span class="caps">HP </span>Lovecraft homage, deal with many of the same issues as Halting State but in a much less direct way.  In those books, the technologies of surveillance and control are frequently co-opted.  It seems that in many of Charlie&#8217;s books, the secret agents spend half or more of their time cleaning up the messes that their own technologies have caused.</p>

	<p>That those technologies are suppose to deal with shambling horrors from the great beyond just make the books <span class="caps">REALLY</span> fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Zora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve interacted with Charlie online; he&#039;s a  great person and a heck of a good writer.  I buy his books when I can afford them, and library them when I can&#039;t.  But ...

That beginning sets up the &quot;but&quot;, doesn&#039;t it? 

His worldvisions are so convincing that I believe them while I&#039;m reading. It&#039;s only when I&#039;m out of the book that I see huge lacunae. 

Charlie isn&#039;t all that fond of environmentalists, whom he tends to see as scaremongering Luddites, so there is no environmental crisis in his books. 

Charlies isn&#039;t all that fond of religion -- indeed, he loathes it -- so there are no sympathetically-depicted religious folk in his books.  Hardly any mention of religion at all, IIRC. 

Charlie is a tech whiz and sees a technical future.  A future in which everyone is Westernized. There are no other cultures.  Or if they&#039;re there, they&#039;re peripheral. 

I think it&#039;s possible to imagine very different futures starting with the NOW, futures that don&#039;t shut out environment, religion, and cultural differences.  I&#039;m not demanding that Charlie do the imagining; he does a bang-up job with the elements floating about HIS brain. But if folks here are taking Charlie as some sort of future guide, then I&#039;d advise them to beware of the lacunae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve interacted with Charlie online; he&#8217;s a  great person and a heck of a good writer.  I buy his books when I can afford them, and library them when I can&#8217;t.  But &#8230;</p>

	<p>That beginning sets up the &#8220;but&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>

	<p>His worldvisions are so convincing that I believe them while I&#8217;m reading. It&#8217;s only when I&#8217;m out of the book that I see huge lacunae.</p>

	<p>Charlie isn&#8217;t all that fond of environmentalists, whom he tends to see as scaremongering Luddites, so there is no environmental crisis in his books.</p>

	<p>Charlies isn&#8217;t all that fond of religion&#8212;indeed, he loathes it&#8212;so there are no sympathetically-depicted religious folk in his books.  Hardly any mention of religion at all, <span class="caps">IIRC</span>.</p>

	<p>Charlie is a tech whiz and sees a technical future.  A future in which everyone is Westernized. There are no other cultures.  Or if they&#8217;re there, they&#8217;re peripheral.</p>

	<p>I think it&#8217;s possible to imagine very different futures starting with the <span class="caps">NOW</span>, futures that don&#8217;t shut out environment, religion, and cultural differences.  I&#8217;m not demanding that Charlie do the imagining; he does a bang-up job with the elements floating about <span class="caps">HIS</span> brain. But if folks here are taking Charlie as some sort of future guide, then I&#8217;d advise them to beware of the lacunae.</p>
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		<title>By: HH</title>
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		<dc:creator>HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The logic of increasingly serious collisions between Internet-based governance (de facto) and conventional sovereign states (de jure) is inescapable. It is fairly easy to posit an emerging Netstate, whose citizens enjoy a common currency, laws, rights, and duties that overlap (and may ultimately transcend) those of the geostates. Yet this transition is so profoundly disruptive to most existing concentrations of political power that speculation about it is relegated to &quot;science fiction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The logic of increasingly serious collisions between Internet-based governance (de facto) and conventional sovereign states (de jure) is inescapable. It is fairly easy to posit an emerging Netstate, whose citizens enjoy a common currency, laws, rights, and duties that overlap (and may ultimately transcend) those of the geostates. Yet this transition is so profoundly disruptive to most existing concentrations of political power that speculation about it is relegated to &#8220;science fiction.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Cannonball Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannonball Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also read him because he has written the best homages to HP Lovecraft outside of Neil Gaiman&#039;s  short story, &quot;A Study In Emerald&quot; i.e. The Jennifer Morgue and The Atrocity Archives. Utterly delicious reading if you&#039;re in the mood for some cranial downtime involving sercret services and Ancient Ones...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also read him because he has written the best homages to <span class="caps">HP </span>Lovecraft outside of Neil Gaiman&#8217;s  short story, &#8220;A Study In Emerald&#8221; i.e. The Jennifer Morgue and The Atrocity Archives. Utterly delicious reading if you&#8217;re in the mood for some cranial downtime involving sercret services and Ancient Ones&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Guinnessy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Guinnessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest checking out books by Richard Morgan as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I suggest checking out books by Richard Morgan as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bloody html.

&#039;This:&#039;  refers to this:

&quot;The reality, though, is that the Internet and its associated tools are developing as the ultimate technology of control. Far from being much able to influence developments in the opposite direction, my professional life has just given me a bird’s eye view of the coming train wreck.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bloody html.</p>

	<p>&#8216;This:&#8217;  refers to this:</p>

	<p>&#8220;The reality, though, is that the Internet and its associated tools are developing as the ultimate technology of control. Far from being much able to influence developments in the opposite direction, my professional life has just given me a bird&#8217;s eye view of the coming train wreck.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When can we expect a post on this?:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;The reality, though, is that the Internet and its associated tools are developing as the ultimate technology of control. Far from being much able to influence developments in the opposite direction, my professional life has just given me a bird’s eye view of the coming train wreck.&quot;&gt;

Eagerly awaiting minds want to know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When can we expect a post on this?:</p>

	<p><blockquote cite="The reality, though, is that the Internet and its associated tools are developing as the ultimate technology of control. Far from being much able to influence developments in the opposite direction, my professional life has just given me a bird&#8217;s eye view of the coming train wreck."></blockquote></p>

	<p>Eagerly awaiting minds want to know.</p>
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