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		<title>By: Chris Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266076</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about &lt;i&gt; Ma nuit chez Maud &lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What about <i> Ma nuit chez Maud </i>?</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266072</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;jenny’s desire for escape had something to do with the fact that she was sexually abused by her father&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s what makes it conservative right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>jenny&#8217;s desire for escape had something to do with the fact that she was sexually abused by her father</i></p>

	<p>That&#8217;s what makes it conservative right?</p>
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		<title>By: CK Dexter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266066</link>
		<dc:creator>CK Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it’s the only classically conservative movie (as opposed to simply reactionary or neocon) on the list. I think the message has something less to do with class and more to do – when they show up at Von Slonakcer’s [sp] house, the value of shame and cultural mores.&quot;

Fair enough, and it&#039;s worth adding that it&#039;s truly funny, as are his other films.  But I think the message can be both, so this positive side (which is probably the more intentional message) can coexist with an unintended, regressive message (which seems to be a product of the way the filmmaker pictures their world, not part of the explicit narrative or themes).  

Nabakov makes a nice point about Forest Gump.  I wonder if it would have been practically possible to elect the real Gump, had we not been prepped by Hollywood first.  There is no Hollywood fantasy, no matter how awful, that does not come true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s the only classically conservative movie (as opposed to simply reactionary or neocon) on the list. I think the message has something less to do with class and more to do &#8211; when they show up at Von Slonakcer&#8217;s [sp] house, the value of shame and cultural mores.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Fair enough, and it&#8217;s worth adding that it&#8217;s truly funny, as are his other films.  But I think the message can be both, so this positive side (which is probably the more intentional message) can coexist with an unintended, regressive message (which seems to be a product of the way the filmmaker pictures their world, not part of the explicit narrative or themes).</p>

	<p>Nabakov makes a nice point about Forest Gump.  I wonder if it would have been practically possible to elect the real Gump, had we not been prepped by Hollywood first.  There is no Hollywood fantasy, no matter how awful, that does not come true.</p>
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		<title>By: Loyal Achates</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266055</link>
		<dc:creator>Loyal Achates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite liked &#039;Metropolitan&#039; when I saw it...as actually so did most of my left-wing friends.  Too bad NRO&#039;s analysis of it is less than skin-deep.

I think &#039;Metropolitan&#039; is unique because it&#039;s the only classically conservative movie (as opposed to simply reactionary or neocon) on the list.  I think the message has something less to do with class and more to do - when they show up at Von Slonakcer&#039;s [sp] house, the value of shame and cultural mores.  I still the exchange &#039;Ah, I&#039;m so embarassed&#039; &#039;well some embarassement would do you good&#039;.&#039;

I also enjoyed their claims on Forrest Gump that Forrest follows a straight and morla path while Jenny is seduced by evil hippiedom.  Gosh, I always thought that jenny&#039;s desire for escape had something to do with the fact that &lt;i&gt;she was sexually abused by her father as a little girl&lt;/i&gt;, but that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I quite liked &#8216;Metropolitan&#8217; when I saw it&#8230;as actually so did most of my left-wing friends.  Too bad <span class="caps">NRO</span>&#8217;s analysis of it is less than skin-deep.</p>

	<p>I think &#8216;Metropolitan&#8217; is unique because it&#8217;s the only classically conservative movie (as opposed to simply reactionary or neocon) on the list.  I think the message has something less to do with class and more to do &#8211; when they show up at Von Slonakcer&#8217;s [sp] house, the value of shame and cultural mores.  I still the exchange &#8216;Ah, I&#8217;m so embarassed&#8217; &#8216;well some embarassement would do you good&#8217;.&#8217;</p>

	<p>I also enjoyed their claims on Forrest Gump that Forrest follows a straight and morla path while Jenny is seduced by evil hippiedom.  Gosh, I always thought that jenny&#8217;s desire for escape had something to do with the fact that <i>she was sexually abused by her father as a little girl</i>, but that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266042</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rude Pundit has excerpts from some of the original Nat Rev reviews of these films here:

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/national-review-s-list-of-best.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rude Pundit has excerpts from some of the original Nat Rev reviews of these films here:</p>

	<p><a href="http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/national-review-s-list-of-best.html" rel="nofollow">http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/national-review-s-list-of-best.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Were Solders - Isn&#039;t that the film where the final line makes it clear the North Vietnamese will win because they are willing to die harder for their patriotism than the Americans who bug out as soon as it gets really nasty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We Were Solders &#8211; Isn&#8217;t that the film where the final line makes it clear the North Vietnamese will win because they are willing to die harder for their patriotism than the Americans who bug out as soon as it gets really nasty?</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266037</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some spare question marks (??). Sprinkle &#039;em on my previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s some spare question marks (??). Sprinkle &#8216;em on my previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266036</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Master and Commander-  Isn&#039;t that the film where the final battle was won by trained military pretending to be non-combatants? 

Metropolitan  - Isn&#039;t that the film where most of the characters are scandalised by a couple of people choosing to act as individuals.

Forrest Gump - Isn&#039;t that the film where unthinking responses to fate always lead to money and fame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Master and Commander-  Isn&#8217;t that the film where the final battle was won by trained military pretending to be non-combatants?</p>

	<p>Metropolitan  &#8211; Isn&#8217;t that the film where most of the characters are scandalised by a couple of people choosing to act as individuals.</p>

	<p>Forrest Gump &#8211; Isn&#8217;t that the film where unthinking responses to fate always lead to money and fame.</p>
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		<title>By: CK Dexter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266033</link>
		<dc:creator>CK Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Come on, someone comment on “Metropolitan,” please!&quot;

I&#039;d like to see someone comment it, too.  I think this is another spot-on one.  The movie is deeply rooted in its appeal to class resentment and envy, which is the engine of reactionary politics: hate your betters, then vote to give them tax cuts because: a) you&#039;re one of them, even though you&#039;re not and b) one day you&#039;ll be one of them, even though you never will (I&#039;m looking at you, Joe the Plumber).  It also tends to equate wealth and culture, which is a common error I&#039;d associate with the same strand (class resentment) of conservatism.  (I&#039;m also reminded of the director&#039;s other film, Barcelona, with it&#039;s tired &quot;foreigners are anti-American&quot; jag.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Come on, someone comment on &#8220;Metropolitan,&#8221; please!&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d like to see someone comment it, too.  I think this is another spot-on one.  The movie is deeply rooted in its appeal to class resentment and envy, which is the engine of reactionary politics: hate your betters, then vote to give them tax cuts because: a) you&#8217;re one of them, even though you&#8217;re not and b) one day you&#8217;ll be one of them, even though you never will (I&#8217;m looking at you, Joe the Plumber).  It also tends to equate wealth and culture, which is a common error I&#8217;d associate with the same strand (class resentment) of conservatism.  (I&#8217;m also reminded of the director&#8217;s other film, Barcelona, with it&#8217;s tired &#8220;foreigners are anti-American&#8221; jag.)</p>
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		<title>By: Deliasmith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266022</link>
		<dc:creator>Deliasmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embed didn&#039;t work - here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Embed didn&#8217;t work &#8211; here:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deliasmith</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-2/#comment-266021</link>
		<dc:creator>Deliasmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All new movies.

What about this?

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Gary Cooper&#039;s robot-staccato - is this a hidden  message? &quot;Help, I am a prisoner in a homily factory&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All new movies.</p>

	<p>What about this?</p>

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	</p><p>Gary Cooper&#8217;s robot-staccato &#8211; is this a hidden  message? &#8220;Help, I am a prisoner in a homily factory&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: juju</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-266016</link>
		<dc:creator>juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37:  &quot;I was originally appalled to find the movie Serenity in the also-rans&quot;

for a second I misread that as &quot;Serendipity&quot; and I was thoroughly confused!

Come on, someone comment on &quot;Metropolitan,&quot; please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#37:  &#8220;I was originally appalled to find the movie Serenity in the also-rans&#8221;</p>

	<p>for a second I misread that as &#8220;Serendipity&#8221; and I was thoroughly confused!</p>

	<p>Come on, someone comment on &#8220;Metropolitan,&#8221; please!</p>
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		<title>By: Nich Hills</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-266013</link>
		<dc:creator>Nich Hills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Master and Commander&lt;/i&gt; is a great conservative film because in the movie - unlike the book - the French and not the Americans are the bad guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Master and Commander</i> is a great conservative film because in the movie &#8211; unlike the book &#8211; the French and not the Americans are the bad guys.</p>
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		<title>By: dilbert dogbert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-266010</link>
		<dc:creator>dilbert dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Master and Commander:  Not to slam a naval action movie I would like to see but as Winston Churchill said:  The Royal Navy is sustained by Grog and Buggery.
We Were Solders:  I don&#039;t think the authors of the book the movie was adapted from would fit with the world view of the NRO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Master and Commander:  Not to slam a naval action movie I would like to see but as Winston Churchill said:  The Royal Navy is sustained by Grog and Buggery.<br />
We Were Solders:  I don&#8217;t think the authors of the book the movie was adapted from would fit with the world view of the <span class="caps">NRO</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: dr</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/02/15/best-conservative-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-266005</link>
		<dc:creator>dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Heartbreak Ridge&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;: &quot;A welcome glorification of Reagan’s decision to liberate Grenada in 1983...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><b><i>Heartbreak Ridge</i></b>: &#8220;A welcome glorification of Reagan&#8217;s decision to liberate Grenada in 1983&#8230;&#8221; </p>
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