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		<title>By: Cian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/02/scrapping-lotteries/comment-page-1/#comment-267936</link>
		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
Yeah, I was surprised to discover that for our local Catholic school you have to attend the local Catholic church, not just any Catholic church. Which given that there are at least two within its catchment area is seriously weird.
Actually our local CofE school probably has something similar - they actually have a hierarchy of religions. Though if your kids don&#039;t attend the church there&#039;s no chance of getting in, which makes it pretty academic. Its not a bad school, but its also the only school for a pretty densely populated area. And you have the depressing situation where the council are trying to minimise school runs (which are a problem), while local schools don&#039;t actually accept local students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Phil,<br />
Yeah, I was surprised to discover that for our local Catholic school you have to attend the local Catholic church, not just any Catholic church. Which given that there are at least two within its catchment area is seriously weird.<br />
Actually our local CofE school probably has something similar &#8211; they actually have a hierarchy of religions. Though if your kids don&#8217;t attend the church there&#8217;s no chance of getting in, which makes it pretty academic. Its not a bad school, but its also the only school for a pretty densely populated area. And you have the depressing situation where the council are trying to minimise school runs (which are a problem), while local schools don&#8217;t actually accept local students.</p>
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		<title>By: Kadin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How New Zealand works is: if a state school expects to regularly receive more applications for enrolment, it must have an enrolment scheme. The school is required to map out a &#039;zone&#039;, based on geography/population distribution that will include as many people as possible (there are penalties if a school makes a zone too small). The way cities in New Zealand are built means that there is inevitably a wide range of income distributions within each school&#039;s zone, so getting into a good state school does not depend  on being able to buy a house in a &#039;good neighbourhood&#039; (for example, in Hamilton, a city of roughly 100,000, students anywhere in the city are able to attend any of the five state schools). The school is required to accept all applications for enrolment from students who live within the boundaries of the zone. All applications from students outside the zone are placed into a lottery. It generally works quite well.

Schools without an enrolment scheme are required to accept all applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How New Zealand works is: if a state school expects to regularly receive more applications for enrolment, it must have an enrolment scheme. The school is required to map out a &#8216;zone&#8217;, based on geography/population distribution that will include as many people as possible (there are penalties if a school makes a zone too small). The way cities in New Zealand are built means that there is inevitably a wide range of income distributions within each school&#8217;s zone, so getting into a good state school does not depend  on being able to buy a house in a &#8216;good neighbourhood&#8217; (for example, in Hamilton, a city of roughly 100,000, students anywhere in the city are able to attend any of the five state schools). The school is required to accept all applications for enrolment from students who live within the boundaries of the zone. All applications from students outside the zone are placed into a lottery. It generally works quite well.</p>

	<p>Schools without an enrolment scheme are required to accept all applications.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a defender of funding and cooperating in the running of faith schools (too long to go into here). I do think that what is weird depends on what you&#039;re used to. Brits would find it weird to have principals who have no power over hiring, evaluation, implementing curriculum, providing incentives or rewarding success,... 

But do you want to hear something even I find weird. Local Authorities fund transport for Catholic kids to attend Catholic schools, but not for other religious kids to attend other religious schools. I used to think this was statutory, but its not! Camden doesn&#039;t do it (though, surely, when the ILEA was abolished, Camden must have had a lot of Catholic kids).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a defender of funding and cooperating in the running of faith schools (too long to go into here). I do think that what is weird depends on what you&#8217;re used to. Brits would find it weird to have principals who have no power over hiring, evaluation, implementing curriculum, providing incentives or rewarding success,&#8230;</p>

	<p>But do you want to hear something even I find weird. Local Authorities fund transport for Catholic kids to attend Catholic schools, but not for other religious kids to attend other religious schools. I used to think this was statutory, but its not! Camden doesn&#8217;t do it (though, surely, when the <span class="caps">ILEA</span> was abolished, Camden must have had a lot of Catholic kids).</p>
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		<title>By: LizardBreath</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizardBreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7: I knew there wasn&#039;t an official separation of church and state, but running schools that are formally permitted to discriminate on the basis of religion surprised me (that is, I didn&#039;t think it was forbidden by some principle of UK law, it just seemed like an unlikely sort of thing to do).  Learn something new every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>7: I knew there wasn&#8217;t an official separation of church and state, but running schools that are formally permitted to discriminate on the basis of religion surprised me (that is, I didn&#8217;t think it was forbidden by some principle of UK law, it just seemed like an unlikely sort of thing to do).  Learn something new every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Harry&#039;s request for further info on Balls&#039;s position, I hope this link to his Department&#039;s press release on the topic and letter to the Schools Adjudicator helps.

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2009_0043</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In response to Harry&#8217;s request for further info on Balls&#8217;s position, I hope this link to his Department&#8217;s press release on the topic and letter to the Schools Adjudicator helps.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2009_0043" rel="nofollow">http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2009_0043</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If the school has places, it’s not allowed to discriminate&lt;/i&gt;

Well, let&#039;s assume that parents have a free choice in which school they want their kids to attend, and let&#039;s assume that some schools are believed to be better than others. Let&#039;s also assume that parents are encouraged to believe that their beliefs can be grounded in evidence - and supplied with authoritative evidence to ground them in - so that parental rankings of good schools are likely to converge. Let&#039;s also assume that people operate on the rule of 7 plus or minus 2, so it doesn&#039;t really matter which schools are in the local top ten, because nobody is going to remember any more than the local top five.

How likely is it that a top-five school will &#039;have places&#039;?

The brochures we looked at three years ago put it slightly differently; they said they&#039;d start by applying faith-based criteria, and take non-believers if they had places left at the end of the process. The criteria were ranked, like successively coarser filters; in the case of the RC school it was something like
1. Siblings.
2. Families who have the same priest as the Head.
3. Families whose priest the Head knows personally.
4. Families whose priest we&#039;ve heard good things about.
5. Families whose priest we haven&#039;t actually heard bad things about.
6. Other Roman Catholics.
7. High Anglicans.
8. Orthodox.
9. Low Anglicans.
10. Methodists, Baptists, Anabaptists, Quakers, Shakers, Muggletonians etc.
11. Heathens.

For the CofE church it was more like

1. Siblings
2. Anglicans.
3. Other church-attending Christians.
4. Other Christians who can remember being inside a church.
5. People who like the Nine Lessons and Carols and listen to Thought for the Day.
6. Believers in other religions (except Satanists).
7. Oh go on then, Satanists, as long as they take it seriously and don&#039;t just do it for the sex and drugs.
8. People who aren&#039;t into organised religion as such they&#039;re more sort of spiritual you know?
9. Atheists (we like a jolly good argument!)
10. Other believers in any religion or none.

Seriously, the CofE school in our area definitely doesn&#039;t exclude Jews (or believers in any other faith), and I&#039;d be surprised if Adam&#039;s did. But actually gaining admission does depend on the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If the school has places, it&#8217;s not allowed to discriminate</i></p>

	<p>Well, let&#8217;s assume that parents have a free choice in which school they want their kids to attend, and let&#8217;s assume that some schools are believed to be better than others. Let&#8217;s also assume that parents are encouraged to believe that their beliefs can be grounded in evidence &#8211; and supplied with authoritative evidence to ground them in &#8211; so that parental rankings of good schools are likely to converge. Let&#8217;s also assume that people operate on the rule of 7 plus or minus 2, so it doesn&#8217;t really matter which schools are in the local top ten, because nobody is going to remember any more than the local top five.</p>

	<p>How likely is it that a top-five school will &#8216;have places&#8217;?</p>

	<p>The brochures we looked at three years ago put it slightly differently; they said they&#8217;d start by applying faith-based criteria, and take non-believers if they had places left at the end of the process. The criteria were ranked, like successively coarser filters; in the case of the RC school it was something like<br />
1. Siblings.<br />
2. Families who have the same priest as the Head.<br />
3. Families whose priest the Head knows personally.<br />
4. Families whose priest we&#8217;ve heard good things about.<br />
5. Families whose priest we haven&#8217;t actually heard bad things about.<br />
6. Other Roman Catholics.<br />
7. High Anglicans.<br />
8. Orthodox.<br />
9. Low Anglicans.<br />
10. Methodists, Baptists, Anabaptists, Quakers, Shakers, Muggletonians etc.<br />
11. Heathens.</p>

	<p>For the CofE church it was more like</p>

	<p>1. Siblings<br />
2. Anglicans.<br />
3. Other church-attending Christians.<br />
4. Other Christians who can remember being inside a church.<br />
5. People who like the Nine Lessons and Carols and listen to Thought for the Day.<br />
6. Believers in other religions (except Satanists).<br />
7. Oh go on then, Satanists, as long as they take it seriously and don&#8217;t just do it for the sex and drugs.<br />
8. People who aren&#8217;t into organised religion as such they&#8217;re more sort of spiritual you know?<br />
9. Atheists (we like a jolly good argument!)<br />
10. Other believers in any religion or none.</p>

	<p>Seriously, the CofE school in our area definitely doesn&#8217;t exclude Jews (or believers in any other faith), and I&#8217;d be surprised if Adam&#8217;s did. But actually gaining admission does depend on the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is unhappy with their school allocation, go &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/homepage.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for free advice (or get a lawyer for a few hundred pounds). And if you feel genuinely wronged, appeal. More than a third of appeals are successful. In fact, the scale of overturned decisions is even greater than this as some schools cave in before the appeal process begins, whether because there is an acknowledgement that they didn&#039;t adhere to their own admissions criteria or because they simply can&#039;t be bothered with the hassle of an appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If anyone is unhappy with their school allocation, go <a href="http://www.ace-ed.org.uk/homepage.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> for free advice (or get a lawyer for a few hundred pounds). And if you feel genuinely wronged, appeal. More than a third of appeals are successful. In fact, the scale of overturned decisions is even greater than this as some schools cave in before the appeal process begins, whether because there is an acknowledgement that they didn&#8217;t adhere to their own admissions criteria or because they simply can&#8217;t be bothered with the hassle of an appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, if I were you I&#039;d not worry so much and send them to the bog standard, non-religious &quot;choice&quot; to which you refer.  I&#039;m sure there&#039;s research somewhere (although I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m not inclined to look for it) that suggests that the home environment and attitude to learning is at least as important, if not more so, than the &quot;quality&quot; of the school.  And I use the scare quotes there for quality, since there isn&#039;t any current way for a parent to truly access information on that - league tables certainly don&#039;t do the job.

Perhaps I&#039;m being defensive - my parents stuck to their principles and sent me and my sister to the local bog-standard comp, and we did fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adam, if I were you I&#8217;d not worry so much and send them to the bog standard, non-religious &#8220;choice&#8221; to which you refer.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s research somewhere (although I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m not inclined to look for it) that suggests that the home environment and attitude to learning is at least as important, if not more so, than the &#8220;quality&#8221; of the school.  And I use the scare quotes there for quality, since there isn&#8217;t any current way for a parent to truly access information on that &#8211; league tables certainly don&#8217;t do the job.</p>

	<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being defensive &#8211; my parents stuck to their principles and sent me and my sister to the local bog-standard comp, and we did fine.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(where did all this faith come from they used to be straightforwardly religious – nothing about what you believed you just were catholics (i.e. not ‘proddydogs’)&lt;/i&gt;

erm yes, this quasi-ethnic approach to religion (and the use of sectarian epithets) went rather out of fashion after the Good Friday agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>(where did all this faith come from they used to be straightforwardly religious &#8211; nothing about what you believed you just were catholics (i.e. not &#8216;proddydogs&#8217;)</i></p>

	<p>erm yes, this quasi-ethnic approach to religion (and the use of sectarian epithets) went rather out of fashion after the Good Friday agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The UK government runs schools that you’re not allowed to go to unless you say you’re Christian?&lt;/i&gt;

Not quite.  If the school has places, it&#039;s not allowed to discriminate (there are plenty of Muslim kids at my local CoE primary).  If it&#039;s oversubscribed, it&#039;s allowed to use religious attendance as a criteria for allocating places.  Apparently both the Catholic and CoE school near Adam are oversubscribed (though it should be noted that if they were secular schools, they would be just as oversubscribed and it would be someone else&#039;s kid who had to go to the &quot;not so good&quot; school.  As long as there are differences between quality of schools, this problem is going to exist; the fundamental problem is the inequality rather than the way it&#039;s distributed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The UK government runs schools that you&#8217;re not allowed to go to unless you say you&#8217;re Christian?</i></p>

	<p>Not quite.  If the school has places, it&#8217;s not allowed to discriminate (there are plenty of Muslim kids at my local CoE primary).  If it&#8217;s oversubscribed, it&#8217;s allowed to use religious attendance as a criteria for allocating places.  Apparently both the Catholic and CoE school near Adam are oversubscribed (though it should be noted that if they were secular schools, they would be just as oversubscribed and it would be someone else&#8217;s kid who had to go to the &#8220;not so good&#8221; school.  As long as there are differences between quality of schools, this problem is going to exist; the fundamental problem is the inequality rather than the way it&#8217;s distributed).</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What everyone else said about faith schools. I wouldn&#039;t say its the thing that most disgusted me about Labour (so many things to choose from), but its up there. The only local primary school within reasonable walking distance is CofE. So if they don&#039;t get in we&#039;ll have to drive them somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What everyone else said about faith schools. I wouldn&#8217;t say its the thing that most disgusted me about Labour (so many things to choose from), but its up there. The only local primary school within reasonable walking distance is CofE. So if they don&#8217;t get in we&#8217;ll have to drive them somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true.  Not only are they allowed to discriminate against children on the grounds of religion but they are allowed to discriminate against teachers who also need to pretend a religion (and if its a catholic school could be a good idea to lie about your divorce).

My husband works in (state)teacher education and its hilarious watching all these good fresh faced standard English pagans (frequently prepared to go to fortune tellers etc. but not knowing why there are cows and sheep in attendence at christmas cribs) putting themselves through the catholic teachers certificate in order to be allowed to teach religion in catholic schools.  As a good athiest lapsed catholic I have had great fun explaining transubstantion v consubstantiation and what the Immaculate Conception actually is only to discover that I have been dutifully repeated at assemblies.  The opportunities for sabotage are obviousalthough I have not succumbed so far ...

All fuelled by the Blessed Tony and his love fest with &#039;faith&#039; schools (where did all this faith come from they used to be straightforwardly religious - nothing about what you believed you just were catholics (i.e. not &#039;proddydogs&#039;) when I was at school.

But in my day the catholic schools tended to be rougher and full of second generation Irish (with some progeny of Polish airmen).  Now they have become much more attractive to the middle classes - thus conversions (or at least going back to your long lost roots).  On the plus side the schools themselves (particularly primary schools) are frequently lovely caring places that you would be happy to send small people to unlike my early experiences of the sixties that gave you a useful if deeply frightening exposure to cruelty.  This can run deep.  My eighty year old mother gave  a truly impressive performance in an amateur  version of Once a cathlic as Sister Basil.  I believe it was an accurate rendition of fond memories of the Presentation nuns in 1930s Ireland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Too true.  Not only are they allowed to discriminate against children on the grounds of religion but they are allowed to discriminate against teachers who also need to pretend a religion (and if its a catholic school could be a good idea to lie about your divorce).</p>

	<p>My husband works in (state)teacher education and its hilarious watching all these good fresh faced standard English pagans (frequently prepared to go to fortune tellers etc. but not knowing why there are cows and sheep in attendence at christmas cribs) putting themselves through the catholic teachers certificate in order to be allowed to teach religion in catholic schools.  As a good athiest lapsed catholic I have had great fun explaining transubstantion v consubstantiation and what the Immaculate Conception actually is only to discover that I have been dutifully repeated at assemblies.  The opportunities for sabotage are obviousalthough I have not succumbed so far &#8230;</p>

	<p>All fuelled by the Blessed Tony and his love fest with &#8216;faith&#8217; schools (where did all this faith come from they used to be straightforwardly religious &#8211; nothing about what you believed you just were catholics (i.e. not &#8216;proddydogs&#8217;) when I was at school.</p>

	<p>But in my day the catholic schools tended to be rougher and full of second generation Irish (with some progeny of Polish airmen).  Now they have become much more attractive to the middle classes &#8211; thus conversions (or at least going back to your long lost roots).  On the plus side the schools themselves (particularly primary schools) are frequently lovely caring places that you would be happy to send small people to unlike my early experiences of the sixties that gave you a useful if deeply frightening exposure to cruelty.  This can run deep.  My eighty year old mother gave  a truly impressive performance in an amateur  version of Once a cathlic as Sister Basil.  I believe it was an accurate rendition of fond memories of the Presentation nuns in 1930s Ireland</p>
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		<title>By: quanticle</title>
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		<dc:creator>quanticle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LizardBreath,

There is no official separation of church and state in Britain.  In fact, if you take a strict interpretation of things, Anglicanism is the official state religion of the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>LizardBreath,</p>

	<p>There is no official separation of church and state in Britain.  In fact, if you take a strict interpretation of things, Anglicanism is the official state religion of the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: LizardBreath</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizardBreath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We live in the catchment area of two very good State schools (‘good’ by repute, and according to league table); but one is Catholic and the other C of E and neither will accept out kids.&lt;/i&gt;

Wait, what?  The UK government runs schools that you&#039;re not allowed to go to unless you say you&#039;re Christian?  Really?  Man, that&#039;s weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>We live in the catchment area of two very good State schools (&#8216;good&#8217; by repute, and according to league table); but one is Catholic and the other C of E and neither will accept out kids.</i></p>

	<p>Wait, what?  The UK government runs schools that you&#8217;re not allowed to go to unless you say you&#8217;re Christian?  Really?  Man, that&#8217;s weird.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/02/scrapping-lotteries/comment-page-1/#comment-267612</link>
		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, that&#039;s an argument for eliminating state faith schools, not for discontinuing lotteries, innit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adam, that&#8217;s an argument for eliminating state faith schools, not for discontinuing lotteries, innit?</p>
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