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	<title>Comments on: Where the Rawlsian Rubber meets the Randian Road.</title>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/03/where-the-rawlsian-rubber-meets-the-randian-road/comment-page-2/#comment-268273</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As MQ points out, the tax increase we&#039;re talking about just isn&#039;t that substantial: 35% to 39.5% on income over $250K. This is tiny compared with the payroll tax increases for the non-rich that the first round (Reagan&#039;s) of tax cuts for the rich resulted in.

No doubt it&#039;s reasonable at least to ask whether even this small tax increase would make entrepreneurs less productive. But doesn&#039;t this question obscure the fact that, by an overwhelming margin, the wealth and income we should be targeting originates in the non-productive -- ie, the financial -- sector? The financial sector&#039;s share of both profits and total output soared in the last few decades, without creating anything like corresponding social wealth. Perhaps the fairest and most efficient tax policy would be to leave all non-financial workers and entrepreneurs alone and instead confiscate all income (including capital gains) over $250,000/yr. earned in the financial sector over the last twenty years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As MQ points out, the tax increase we&#8217;re talking about just isn&#8217;t that substantial: 35% to 39.5% on income over $250K. This is tiny compared with the payroll tax increases for the non-rich that the first round (Reagan&#8217;s) of tax cuts for the rich resulted in.</p>

	<p>No doubt it&#8217;s reasonable at least to ask whether even this small tax increase would make entrepreneurs less productive. But doesn&#8217;t this question obscure the fact that, by an overwhelming margin, the wealth and income we should be targeting originates in the non-productive&#8212;ie, the financial&#8212;sector? The financial sector&#8217;s share of both profits and total output soared in the last few decades, without creating anything like corresponding social wealth. Perhaps the fairest and most efficient tax policy would be to leave all non-financial workers and entrepreneurs alone and instead confiscate all income (including capital gains) over $250,000/yr. earned in the financial sector over the last twenty years.</p>
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		<title>By: MQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, Slocum and his fellow travelers are petulant, whiny hysterics. According to Deloitte, the full impact of Obama&#039;s tax plans would be to increase the tax bill for a family making $500,000 by ten percent, or a bit over $10,000. They&#039;ll still be some of the lowest taxed rich people in any major industrialized country. I can understand someone not wanting to pay any more in taxes, but if this change makes you have a hissy fit about how &quot;undervalued&quot; you are then you&#039;re a spoiled little brat.

&lt;i&gt; Does any of those “going Galt” understand that that’s $250,000 in taxable income (not including capital gains)? Doesn’t seem so. &lt;/i&gt;

actually, it&#039;s $250,000 AGI in the discussion, not taxable income. This does include all cap gains except those from sale of a primary residence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>God, Slocum and his fellow travelers are petulant, whiny hysterics. According to Deloitte, the full impact of Obama&#8217;s tax plans would be to increase the tax bill for a family making $500,000 by ten percent, or a bit over $10,000. They&#8217;ll still be some of the lowest taxed rich people in any major industrialized country. I can understand someone not wanting to pay any more in taxes, but if this change makes you have a hissy fit about how &#8220;undervalued&#8221; you are then you&#8217;re a spoiled little brat.</p>

	<p><i> Does any of those &#8220;going Galt&#8221; understand that that&#8217;s $250,000 in taxable income (not including capital gains)? Doesn&#8217;t seem so. </i></p>

	<p>actually, it&#8217;s $250,000 <span class="caps">AGI</span> in the discussion, not taxable income. This does include all cap gains except those from sale of a primary residence.</p>
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		<title>By: Perezoso</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/03/where-the-rawlsian-rubber-meets-the-randian-road/comment-page-2/#comment-268236</link>
		<dc:creator>Perezoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a Rawlsian approach to organized crime,  or  Rawlsian Nevada brothels..........All the girls  got a raht to a john now......&lt;i&gt; We&#039;re  gonna divide &#039;em up fair n square.... fuggetabout it&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe a Rawlsian approach to organized crime,  or  Rawlsian Nevada brothels&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.All the girls  got a raht to a john now&#8230;&#8230;<i> We&#8217;re  gonna divide &#8216;em up fair n square&#8230;. fuggetabout it</i></p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I wasn&#039;t accusing you of being in that income bracket :). I agree that people in lower tax brackets make these kinds of calculations (I suspect from your description that you and I are rather similar in that regard). What I&#039;m wondering is how many people in higher tax brackets do (as opposed to how many say they do). People work long hours for all kinds of reasons, and while well-balanced integrated people like you and me have a high preference for leisure/time with family/etc, my anecdotal observations of people with very high incomes is that some of them aren&#039;t like us.... (there, that&#039;s inviting you to feel as smug as I sound, but you know what I mean...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, I wasn&#8217;t accusing you of being in that income bracket :). I agree that people in lower tax brackets make these kinds of calculations (I suspect from your description that you and I are rather similar in that regard). What I&#8217;m wondering is how many people in higher tax brackets do (as opposed to how many say they do). People work long hours for all kinds of reasons, and while well-balanced integrated people like you and me have a high preference for leisure/time with family/etc, my anecdotal observations of people with very high incomes is that some of them aren&#8217;t like us&#8230;. (there, that&#8217;s inviting you to feel as smug as I sound, but you know what I mean&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, I&#039;m not in that boat as far as income goes.  My point was that people who pay much lower rates of taxes still make those types of calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harry, I&#8217;m not in that boat as far as income goes.  My point was that people who pay much lower rates of taxes still make those types of calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MH -- yes, I think that&#039;s right. Daniel has restricted this discussion to the real world, though, and I really wonder what proportion of the $250ks are really in your boat (as it were). I also wonder how carefully people calculate (I long ago decided that a couple of articles for the TES, or reviewing 3 books for presses, would pay for someone else to do my taxes: a couple of articles for the TES takes me about half the time that doing my taxes does, and I enjoy it; reviewing books takes longer, but I also enjoy it, and feel some obligation is fulfilled. Talking of which I should get on and review one right now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">MH </span>&#8212;yes, I think that&#8217;s right. Daniel has restricted this discussion to the real world, though, and I really wonder what proportion of the $250ks are really in your boat (as it were). I also wonder how carefully people calculate (I long ago decided that a couple of articles for the <span class="caps">TES</span>, or reviewing 3 books for presses, would pay for someone else to do my taxes: a couple of articles for the <span class="caps">TES</span> takes me about half the time that doing my taxes does, and I enjoy it; reviewing books takes longer, but I also enjoy it, and feel some obligation is fulfilled. Talking of which I should get on and review one right now).</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The going Galt meme is overblown, but higher taxes do matter even for people without the resources stop working.  I realize that not everybody can shift their income/hours worked easily, but it does matter for some.  There are only so many hours in the day and pretty much every extra hour I&#039;m at work means something else that has to be paid for (since I&#039;m not willing to cut down sleep or leisure or family time anymore).  If I do overtime, I won&#039;t have the time to clean the gutters myself or we&#039;ll eat more expensive prepared food because there is no time to cook.  And, when making those calculations, the marginal tax rate is what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The going Galt meme is overblown, but higher taxes do matter even for people without the resources stop working.  I realize that not everybody can shift their income/hours worked easily, but it does matter for some.  There are only so many hours in the day and pretty much every extra hour I&#8217;m at work means something else that has to be paid for (since I&#8217;m not willing to cut down sleep or leisure or family time anymore).  If I do overtime, I won&#8217;t have the time to clean the gutters myself or we&#8217;ll eat more expensive prepared food because there is no time to cook.  And, when making those calculations, the marginal tax rate is what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rereading my comment, I realize the tone I took with Dan sounds more hostile than I intended. Dan, if you want to point me to something available on the web, I might look at it, though you should at least provide a summary of the argument. If everyone here is going to argue by pointer, there will be all footnotes and no discussion, besides which we are all busy people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rereading my comment, I realize the tone I took with Dan sounds more hostile than I intended. Dan, if you want to point me to something available on the web, I might look at it, though you should at least provide a summary of the argument. If everyone here is going to argue by pointer, there will be all footnotes and no discussion, besides which we are all busy people.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people concern&quot; &gt; I meant to say &quot;public concern&quot;, though perhaps I should have said &quot;political concern&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;people concern&#8221; > I meant to say &#8220;public concern&#8221;, though perhaps I should have said &#8220;political concern&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan wrote:

&quot;Firstly, I’d probably be inclined to say that utilitarianism is actually meaningless, because there is no such thing as ‘utility’ that can be compared between people. It’s not just that determining the various levels of utility of different people causes epistemic difficulty, it’s that there is no underlying phenomenon there to be measured in the first place&quot;

The underlying phenomenon is that people want things (&quot;things&quot; in the broad sense including lifestyles, abstract liberties, etc.). &quot;Utility&quot; is just a label for the subjective satisfaction that comes from getting what you want. That utility assignments for a given person are sortable (i.e., there&#039;s a DMU) is an implication of the fact that people make choices. Choices are not always easy or consistent, so the sortability is not necessarily perfect, but if you toss this out, you pretty much toss out all of economics, including the bits that are just common sense and that we see operating all the time. As for comparing utility functions of different people, you can&#039;t get normative results without normative premises, and I am assuming political equality as a value. Under political equality, everyone&#039;s subjective concerns - their utility function - as a whole should be equal as a people concern. So each utility function generally descends and each sums to one.  There is some variation in slope possible, but public policy will always require some approximations. Certainly, assuming some variation is slope for particular people over others, e.g., such that their strong desires get more but their weak desires less favor, would require some additional work to establish, i.e., it cannot be baseline.

As for your second paragraph, if you have an argument to make, make it. Anybody can point to the library, but unless you&#039;re going to pay me, you don&#039;t get to assign me work. Although I didn&#039;t say an equal distribution was justified, I said it was baseline, i.e., that one would have to justify deviations from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dan wrote:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Firstly, I&#8217;d probably be inclined to say that utilitarianism is actually meaningless, because there is no such thing as &#8216;utility&#8217; that can be compared between people. It&#8217;s not just that determining the various levels of utility of different people causes epistemic difficulty, it&#8217;s that there is no underlying phenomenon there to be measured in the first place&#8221;</p>

	<p>The underlying phenomenon is that people want things (&#8220;things&#8221; in the broad sense including lifestyles, abstract liberties, etc.). &#8220;Utility&#8221; is just a label for the subjective satisfaction that comes from getting what you want. That utility assignments for a given person are sortable (i.e., there&#8217;s a <span class="caps">DMU</span>) is an implication of the fact that people make choices. Choices are not always easy or consistent, so the sortability is not necessarily perfect, but if you toss this out, you pretty much toss out all of economics, including the bits that are just common sense and that we see operating all the time. As for comparing utility functions of different people, you can&#8217;t get normative results without normative premises, and I am assuming political equality as a value. Under political equality, everyone&#8217;s subjective concerns &#8211; their utility function &#8211; as a whole should be equal as a people concern. So each utility function generally descends and each sums to one.  There is some variation in slope possible, but public policy will always require some approximations. Certainly, assuming some variation is slope for particular people over others, e.g., such that their strong desires get more but their weak desires less favor, would require some additional work to establish, i.e., it cannot be baseline.</p>

	<p>As for your second paragraph, if you have an argument to make, make it. Anybody can point to the library, but unless you&#8217;re going to pay me, you don&#8217;t get to assign me work. Although I didn&#8217;t say an equal distribution was justified, I said it was baseline, i.e., that one would have to justify deviations from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You actually have no problem with people having stuff as a matter of luck&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve no idea what you&#039;re talking about. Certainly I&#039;ve got a problem with some people having stuff &lt;b&gt;and others not&lt;/b&gt; as a result of luck. I can also tell the difference between &quot;individual beneficiary of luck&quot; and &quot;individual beneficiary of collective policy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>You actually have no problem with people having stuff as a matter of luck</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Certainly I&#8217;ve got a problem with some people having stuff <b>and others not</b> as a result of luck. I can also tell the difference between &#8220;individual beneficiary of luck&#8221; and &#8220;individual beneficiary of collective policy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, after everything I&#039;ve said, this may sound ridiculous, but I do have some sympathy with the &#039;work more hours only if highly compensated&#039; attitude. Like slocum, I understand if people think &quot;well, I&#039;m pretty well paid, and I&#039;ve got a family, and if I can get much more money for them its worth neglecting them, but if I can only get a bit more it isn&#039;t -- I and they would be better off if we spent more time together&quot;. And, because America has so little safety net, and because the disadvantaged are socially excluded and despised, it takes a lot of money really to secure your kids against quite bad outcomes.  And, I suspect (because I hear it from people) that rich Americans genuinely believe that being middle class (eg being a teacher) is a much worse life than it actually is.  What makes the Galtishness offensive is that they are not privately making trade-offs in the circumstances they face (like the rest of us do) but display a sense of entitlement to circumstances that are even more favourable to them than those they face, and threaten to hold the rest of us to ransom. I carry around this nice quote from Kenneth Griffin from a Times story a couple of years ago, to remind me that to be humble about whatever success I enjoy, and to remind me why I support higher tax rates for people like him, and even for people like me (I&#039;m not in the relevant bracket, but like slocum I think the threshold will come down eventually):

“In the current world there will be people who will move from one tax area to another. I am proud to be an American. But if tax became too high, as a matter of principle I would not be working this hard”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ok, after everything I&#8217;ve said, this may sound ridiculous, but I do have some sympathy with the &#8216;work more hours only if highly compensated&#8217; attitude. Like slocum, I understand if people think &#8220;well, I&#8217;m pretty well paid, and I&#8217;ve got a family, and if I can get much more money for them its worth neglecting them, but if I can only get a bit more it isn&#8217;t&#8212;I and they would be better off if we spent more time together&#8221;. And, because America has so little safety net, and because the disadvantaged are socially excluded and despised, it takes a lot of money really to secure your kids against quite bad outcomes.  And, I suspect (because I hear it from people) that rich Americans genuinely believe that being middle class (eg being a teacher) is a much worse life than it actually is.  What makes the Galtishness offensive is that they are not privately making trade-offs in the circumstances they face (like the rest of us do) but display a sense of entitlement to circumstances that are even more favourable to them than those they face, and threaten to hold the rest of us to ransom. I carry around this nice quote from Kenneth Griffin from a Times story a couple of years ago, to remind me that to be humble about whatever success I enjoy, and to remind me why I support higher tax rates for people like him, and even for people like me (I&#8217;m not in the relevant bracket, but like slocum I think the threshold will come down eventually):</p>

	<p>&#8220;In the current world there will be people who will move from one tax area to another. I am proud to be an American. But if tax became too high, as a matter of principle I would not be working this hard&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Perezoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perezoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe pitch your Rawlsian dreams to the Black Caucus, or perhaps governments of Saudi Arabia, or Sudan, or your local mosque for that matter.   I suspect there&#039;s some apparatchik behind most academic Rawls discussion: TOJ sort of the intellectual equivalent of surrendering  ( even marxistas and nietzscheans might agree to that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe pitch your Rawlsian dreams to the Black Caucus, or perhaps governments of Saudi Arabia, or Sudan, or your local mosque for that matter.   I suspect there&#8217;s some apparatchik behind most academic Rawls discussion: <span class="caps">TOJ</span> sort of the intellectual equivalent of surrendering  ( even marxistas and nietzscheans might agree to that).</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DR,

That&#039;s true assuming that the demand for their services is fairly inelastic.  So, under this logic,  the tax increase ultimately falls on those with the least elastic demand for the services of the highly compensated. 

Since taxes have generally been falling over the same period that compensation differentials have been going up, it makes one wonder how much higher the differential will go with a tax increase on the highly compensated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>DR,</p>

	<p>That&#8217;s true assuming that the demand for their services is fairly inelastic.  So, under this logic,  the tax increase ultimately falls on those with the least elastic demand for the services of the highly compensated.</p>

	<p>Since taxes have generally been falling over the same period that compensation differentials have been going up, it makes one wonder how much higher the differential will go with a tax increase on the highly compensated.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are being obtuse, Dan, either deliberately, or ignorantly, its hard to tell. I  have been pretty clear about the role that the invocation of luck played in my argument, which is to block the kind of &quot;I deserve it because I&#039;ve worked hard&quot; complaint which slocum was implying on behalf of the up-against-the-wall rich. I have heard this complaint in social situations many times from people who are in the richest 0.5% of humanity and it is simply silly. There&#039;s no smuggling in of equality here. In fact, and again I was very explicit about this, if its really true that the putative lower efforts of the rich in response to very small changes in marginal tax rates we are talking about will harm the disadvantaged then they, the disadvantaged (but not the rich) have grounds for complaint. In the end, I think some version of the difference principle is right, and has priority both over equality and over equality of opportunity.  But, and this is Cohen&#039;s point, it is not the case that there is nothing wrong from the point of view of justice when people who could work harder to benefit the least advantaged refuse to.
Finally, in the context of a discussion of Cohen&#039;s critique of Rawls, which is how daniel frames this, there is nothing intellectually about assuming a baseline of equality, since that is something both of them agree about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think you are being obtuse, Dan, either deliberately, or ignorantly, its hard to tell. I  have been pretty clear about the role that the invocation of luck played in my argument, which is to block the kind of &#8220;I deserve it because I&#8217;ve worked hard&#8221; complaint which slocum was implying on behalf of the up-against-the-wall rich. I have heard this complaint in social situations many times from people who are in the richest 0.5% of humanity and it is simply silly. There&#8217;s no smuggling in of equality here. In fact, and again I was very explicit about this, if its really true that the putative lower efforts of the rich in response to very small changes in marginal tax rates we are talking about will harm the disadvantaged then they, the disadvantaged (but not the rich) have grounds for complaint. In the end, I think some version of the difference principle is right, and has priority both over equality and over equality of opportunity.  But, and this is Cohen&#8217;s point, it is not the case that there is nothing wrong from the point of view of justice when people who could work harder to benefit the least advantaged refuse to.<br />
Finally, in the context of a discussion of Cohen&#8217;s critique of Rawls, which is how daniel frames this, there is nothing intellectually about assuming a baseline of equality, since that is something both of them agree about.</p>
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