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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-2/#comment-268410</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I converted to OSX about two years ago. I haven&#039;t looked back. Program installation/desinstallation is far smoother, I don&#039;t waste time clearing my hard disk of junk temp files etc, I don&#039;t get plagues with Malware and viruses, and my photos reliably look like they should on screen. Quicksilver is a pretty cool program too.  One person above is absolutely correct that Microsoft Office runs better on Windows, but, then, I try to avoid using Microsoft Office if I possibly can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I converted to <span class="caps">OSX</span> about two years ago. I haven&#8217;t looked back. Program installation/desinstallation is far smoother, I don&#8217;t waste time clearing my hard disk of junk temp files etc, I don&#8217;t get plagues with Malware and viruses, and my photos reliably look like they should on screen. Quicksilver is a pretty cool program too.  One person above is absolutely correct that Microsoft Office runs better on Windows, but, then, I try to avoid using Microsoft Office if I possibly can.</p>
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		<title>By: Beryl</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-2/#comment-268351</link>
		<dc:creator>Beryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@50

I started in CP/M, and went  through several flavours of DOS and even more of Windows, with side trips into OS/2, Unix, Xenix and Linux. I use OSX (irregularly) but, like you, don&#039;t find it nearly as intuitive as its proponents claim. Mind you, the last true bits of programming I did were in Basic and Turbo Pascal, so maybe I&#039;m just behind the times.</description>
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	<p>I started in CP/M, and went  through several flavours of <span class="caps">DOS</span> and even more of Windows, with side trips into OS/2, Unix, Xenix and Linux. I use <span class="caps">OSX </span>(irregularly) but, like you, don&#8217;t find it nearly as intuitive as its proponents claim. Mind you, the last true bits of programming I did were in Basic and Turbo Pascal, so maybe I&#8217;m just behind the times.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268349</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I follow CT on my over 4 year old G4 Powerbook, which I bought on Ebay. I have used it almost daily for the 3 years I have owned it. One loose key, some screen marring (but no dead pixels) and the battery is getting long in the tooth.   You&#039;d have to pay me to willingly (and even then I&#039;d be lying) to use Windows.&lt;/i&gt;

Just for the hell of it, I&#039;m posting this reply on a 14-year-old AST laptop I pulled off the shelf (one that&#039;s long outlived the company that made it).  No loose keys (but Netscape version 4 sure doesn&#039;t render modern web sites very well).  Incidentally, I feel the same way about OSX when I have to use it.  I&#039;m sure I could get accustomed to it if I had to, but I&#039;d rather not have to.  Various flavors of Linux, on the other hand, I don&#039;t mind at all--they&#039;re quite natural to a Windows user, but OSX annoys me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I follow CT on my over 4 year old <span class="caps">G4 </span>Powerbook, which I bought on Ebay. I have used it almost daily for the 3 years I have owned it. One loose key, some screen marring (but no dead pixels) and the battery is getting long in the tooth.   You&#8217;d have to pay me to willingly (and even then I&#8217;d be lying) to use Windows.</i></p>

	<p>Just for the hell of it, I&#8217;m posting this reply on a 14-year-old <span class="caps">AST</span> laptop I pulled off the shelf (one that&#8217;s long outlived the company that made it).  No loose keys (but Netscape version 4 sure doesn&#8217;t render modern web sites very well).  Incidentally, I feel the same way about <span class="caps">OSX</span> when I have to use it.  I&#8217;m sure I could get accustomed to it if I had to, but I&#8217;d rather not have to.  Various flavors of Linux, on the other hand, I don&#8217;t mind at all&#8212;they&#8217;re quite natural to a Windows user, but <span class="caps">OSX</span> annoys me</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268339</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48:  I would certainly have hoped so.  But if that&#039;s the case then you shouldn&#039;t be buying warranties!  Apple should, in theory, be making money on those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>48:  I would certainly have hoped so.  But if that&#8217;s the case then you shouldn&#8217;t be buying warranties!  Apple should, in theory, be making money on those.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268327</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow CT on my over 4 year old G4 Powerbook, which I bought on Ebay. I have used it almost daily for the 3 years I have owned it. One loose key, some screen marring (but no dead pixels) and the battery is getting long in the tooth. You&#039;d have to pay me to willingly (and even then I&#039;d be lying) to use Windows. Of course, my experience is as anecdotal as the problems enumerated here. However, aggregated, Apple is consistently rated as one of the most reliable across its entire product line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I follow CT on my over 4 year old <span class="caps">G4 </span>Powerbook, which I bought on Ebay. I have used it almost daily for the 3 years I have owned it. One loose key, some screen marring (but no dead pixels) and the battery is getting long in the tooth. You&#8217;d have to pay me to willingly (and even then I&#8217;d be lying) to use Windows. Of course, my experience is as anecdotal as the problems enumerated here. However, aggregated, Apple is consistently rated as one of the most reliable across its entire product line.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268324</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45:  I&#039;m thinking of something more than 24 inches.  You see a lot of them at BestBuy now.  A couple friends of mine got 27 inch, I think, displays a couple years ago when they went on sale and they make using a computer a more enjoyable experience.  I guess it depends on what you use your computer for.  But for being able to view a lot without using a tiny font size, a larger screen space is the best solution.  The sale price from a couple years ago is the standard price today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>45:  I&#8217;m thinking of something more than 24 inches.  You see a lot of them at BestBuy now.  A couple friends of mine got 27 inch, I think, displays a couple years ago when they went on sale and they make using a computer a more enjoyable experience.  I guess it depends on what you use your computer for.  But for being able to view a lot without using a tiny font size, a larger screen space is the best solution.  The sale price from a couple years ago is the standard price today.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;sanbikinoraion:  Just make sure that your current graphics card can drive the new monitor! I discovered just before buying a lovely-looking new Samsung 22” that my laptop’s builtin graphics only drive up to 1280×1024 when 1600×1050 was needed.&lt;/i&gt;

Hmmm--are you sure?  Unless your laptop is very old, I think it&#039;s more likely that the 1680x1050 display option is just hidden until a monitor capable of that is connected.  I you know anybody with a 22&quot; monitor you can attach you laptop to as a test, you might try that.  Or just buy a monitor from a store where a return is easy.

&lt;i&gt;Beryl: $500-600? I haven’t seen anything in the 20-22-inch range selling for more than about $300. What sort of specs are you thinking about?&lt;/i&gt;

He may be thinking about more expensive monitors based on true 8-bit IPS or MVA panels instead of cheaper TN panels.  But unless you&#039;re a graphics professional who needs a color-calibrated monitor, you probably don&#039;t need to worry about it.  A simple test -- if the colors on your laptop display look fine to you, then don&#039;t worry about it (since virtually all laptops use TN panels  -- Apple has even been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/31/apple_hit_with_another_millions_of_colors_lawsuit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sued&lt;/a&gt; a couple times over this).  And I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any reason to think more expensive IPS or MVA based monitors will last longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>sanbikinoraion:  Just make sure that your current graphics card can drive the new monitor! I discovered just before buying a lovely-looking new Samsung 22&#8221; that my laptop&#8217;s builtin graphics only drive up to 1280&#215;1024 when 1600&#215;1050 was needed.</i></p>

	<p>Hmmm&#8212;are you sure?  Unless your laptop is very old, I think it&#8217;s more likely that the 1680&#215;1050 display option is just hidden until a monitor capable of that is connected.  I you know anybody with a 22&#8221; monitor you can attach you laptop to as a test, you might try that.  Or just buy a monitor from a store where a return is easy.</p>

	<p><i>Beryl: $500-600? I haven&#8217;t seen anything in the 20-22-inch range selling for more than about $300. What sort of specs are you thinking about?</i></p>

	<p>He may be thinking about more expensive monitors based on true 8-bit <span class="caps">IPS</span> or <span class="caps">MVA</span> panels instead of cheaper TN panels.  But unless you&#8217;re a graphics professional who needs a color-calibrated monitor, you probably don&#8217;t need to worry about it.  A simple test&#8212;if the colors on your laptop display look fine to you, then don&#8217;t worry about it (since virtually all laptops use TN panels &#8212;Apple has even been <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/31/apple_hit_with_another_millions_of_colors_lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">sued</a> a couple times over this).  And I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any reason to think more expensive <span class="caps">IPS</span> or <span class="caps">MVA</span> based monitors will last longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Beryl</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268294</link>
		<dc:creator>Beryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPowell,

$500-600? I haven&#039;t seen anything in the 20-22-inch range selling for more than about $300. What sort of specs are you thinking about?</description>
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	<p>$500-600? I haven&#8217;t seen anything in the 20-22-inch range selling for more than about $300. What sort of specs are you thinking about?</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268293</link>
		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just make sure that your current graphics card can drive the new monitor! I discovered just before buying a lovely-looking new Samsung 22&quot; that my laptop&#039;s builtin graphics only drive up to 1280x1024 when 1600x1050 was needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just make sure that your current graphics card can drive the new monitor! I discovered just before buying a lovely-looking new Samsung 22&#8221; that my laptop&#8217;s builtin graphics only drive up to 1280&#215;1024 when 1600&#215;1050 was needed.</p>
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		<title>By: mpowell</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268290</link>
		<dc:creator>mpowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was never a big fan of macs, but I had no idea they had these kinds of reliability issues.  For a company that prides itself on quality design, a system where the long term warranty is &#039;required&#039; is a major liability in my opinion.  The only computer part I&#039;ve ever had trouble with is an old CD ROM drive, which I could replace pretty easily if I needed to.  Those macs are even more expensive than I thought.

If Microsoft wasn&#039;t forcing Vista on everyone, I would never consider anything but a barebones PC with XP on it for the forseeable future.  Of course, given the enormous turd which is Vista and the inconvenience of using an alternative OS, my next computer purchase will be a tricky one.  I may just go find a hacked version of XP.  No guilt included.

Slocum&#039;s advice is pretty good here, but I would actually recommend considering significantly upgrading your monitor.  They have very nice flat panel displays now in the $500-600 range that won&#039;t need to be replaced even as frequently as your desktop/laptop and for many users a better monitor will do more to upgrade your experience than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was never a big fan of macs, but I had no idea they had these kinds of reliability issues.  For a company that prides itself on quality design, a system where the long term warranty is &#8216;required&#8217; is a major liability in my opinion.  The only computer part I&#8217;ve ever had trouble with is an old <span class="caps">CD ROM</span> drive, which I could replace pretty easily if I needed to.  Those macs are even more expensive than I thought.</p>

	<p>If Microsoft wasn&#8217;t forcing Vista on everyone, I would never consider anything but a barebones PC with XP on it for the forseeable future.  Of course, given the enormous turd which is Vista and the inconvenience of using an alternative OS, my next computer purchase will be a tricky one.  I may just go find a hacked version of XP.  No guilt included.</p>

	<p>Slocum&#8217;s advice is pretty good here, but I would actually recommend considering significantly upgrading your monitor.  They have very nice flat panel displays now in the $500-600 range that won&#8217;t need to be replaced even as frequently as your desktop/laptop and for many users a better monitor will do more to upgrade your experience than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shark might be great, but I bet there’s a ton of free Windows tools that Windows developers swear by that aren’t available on Mac either.&quot;

Oddly enough, there don&#039;t seem to be. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Profiling_and_Optimization&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Over here&lt;/a&gt; a Second Life developer documentation wiki discusses profilers, mentioning Apple&#039;s Shark, a linux command-line profiler, and two commercial Windows profilers which cost $599 and $699, respectively. Of one product, from Intel, they write &quot;sampling and call graph profiler. The UI is terrible - but there aren&#039;t many other sampling profilers available on Windows.&quot;

Here&#039;s a comparison of VTune and Shark by someone on the Mozilla team:&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/07/16/why-cant-vtune-be-more-like-shark/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why can&#039;t VTune Be More Like Shark&lt;/a&gt;.

I can see how another platform would be better for Eclipse (though there&#039;s always Windows in VMWare! Heck, at a prior job everyone used Eclipse in Windows on VMWare &lt;i&gt;on Windows&lt;/i&gt;. Made it easy to distribute new iterations of the development environment and framework as new images.) but I do Objective-C and C++ coding of neurobiology lab experiment-driving software - near real-time OpenGL, displaying stimuli, collecting data, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Shark might be great, but I bet there&#8217;s a ton of free Windows tools that Windows developers swear by that aren&#8217;t available on Mac either.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Oddly enough, there don&#8217;t seem to be. <a href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Profiling_and_Optimization" rel="nofollow">Over here</a> a Second Life developer documentation wiki discusses profilers, mentioning Apple&#8217;s Shark, a linux command-line profiler, and two commercial Windows profilers which cost $599 and $699, respectively. Of one product, from Intel, they write &#8220;sampling and call graph profiler. The UI is terrible &#8211; but there aren&#8217;t many other sampling profilers available on Windows.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s a comparison of VTune and Shark by someone on the Mozilla team:<a href="http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/07/16/why-cant-vtune-be-more-like-shark/" rel="nofollow">Why can&#8217;t VTune Be More Like Shark</a>.</p>

	<p>I can see how another platform would be better for Eclipse (though there&#8217;s always Windows in VMWare! Heck, at a prior job everyone used Eclipse in Windows on VMWare <i>on Windows</i>. Made it easy to distribute new iterations of the development environment and framework as new images.) but I do Objective-C and C++ coding of neurobiology lab experiment-driving software &#8211; near real-time OpenGL, displaying stimuli, collecting data, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Beryl</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268254</link>
		<dc:creator>Beryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Slocum has it right; a (relatively cheap) laptop with extra monitor/keyboard/mouse is probably the way to go. 

I&#039;ve had about a dozen computers since 1983, among them three varieties of Mac (including the original) and a few roll-your-own generic PCs. Saved a bundle not buying extended warranties. Only one machine truly failed (first the HD went, then the motherboard) and a favourite NEC monitor had to be discarded after a power surge; all the others were still working when I traded up. I currently use three computers - an older Mac desktop in my office, a Dell desktop at home and an Acer laptop (15-inch screen, 3GB memory; 320 GB HD, dedicated video card, &amp;c) for travel. I&#039;m seriously thinking of giving away the two desktops (but keeping a monitor and keyboard), and adding an external HD backup and a proper mouse. No loss of computing power and a smaller carbon footprint!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think Slocum has it right; a (relatively cheap) laptop with extra monitor/keyboard/mouse is probably the way to go.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve had about a dozen computers since 1983, among them three varieties of Mac (including the original) and a few roll-your-own generic PCs. Saved a bundle not buying extended warranties. Only one machine truly failed (first the HD went, then the motherboard) and a favourite <span class="caps">NEC</span> monitor had to be discarded after a power surge; all the others were still working when I traded up. I currently use three computers &#8211; an older Mac desktop in my office, a Dell desktop at home and an Acer laptop (15-inch screen, 3GB memory; 320 <span class="caps">GB HD</span>, dedicated video card, &#038;c) for travel. I&#8217;m seriously thinking of giving away the two desktops (but keeping a monitor and keyboard), and adding an external HD backup and a proper mouse. No loss of computing power and a smaller carbon footprint!</p>
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		<title>By: strasmangelo jones</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268208</link>
		<dc:creator>strasmangelo jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In any case there are a bunch of free operating systems out there&lt;/em&gt;

Free operating systems such as Windows. I didn&#039;t pay a dime for my copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>In any case there are a bunch of free operating systems out there</em></p>

	<p>Free operating systems such as Windows. I didn&#8217;t pay a dime for my copy.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268205</link>
		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon - I (web) develop on Mac at work, too, and Eclipse is definitely considerably ropier on Mac than either Linux or Win. Shark might be great, but I bet there&#039;s a ton of free Windows tools that Windows developers swear by that aren&#039;t available on Mac either.

Anyway,  let&#039;s be reasonable, we&#039;re on an academic group blog - John Holbo will almost certainly never need such things. My major complaint is that people are paying vastly over the odds for shiny rubbish :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jon &#8211; I (web) develop on Mac at work, too, and Eclipse is definitely considerably ropier on Mac than either Linux or Win. Shark might be great, but I bet there&#8217;s a ton of free Windows tools that Windows developers swear by that aren&#8217;t available on Mac either.</p>

	<p>Anyway,  let&#8217;s be reasonable, we&#8217;re on an academic group blog &#8211; John Holbo will almost certainly never need such things. My major complaint is that people are paying vastly over the odds for shiny rubbish :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/04/apple-news/comment-page-1/#comment-268200</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Buying a Mac when equivalent software costs more and is less performant and/or stable is penny-wise, pound foolish.&quot;

I&#039;m a developer, and the development and performance tools that are free on OS X cost quite a lot of money on Windows, if equivalents are available at all. (I don&#039;t believe there are free tools for Windows that are as good as the Shark profiler or the Instruments gui for dtrace.)

Also, I use USB trackballs with my Macs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Buying a Mac when equivalent software costs more and is less performant and/or stable is penny-wise, pound foolish.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m a developer, and the development and performance tools that are free on <span class="caps">OS X</span> cost quite a lot of money on Windows, if equivalents are available at all. (I don&#8217;t believe there are free tools for Windows that are as good as the Shark profiler or the Instruments gui for dtrace.)</p>

	<p>Also, I use <span class="caps">USB</span> trackballs with my Macs.</p>
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