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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin: Sure. Drop me a line at bbaugh@mac.com for more focused rambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Martin: Sure. Drop me a line at <a href="mailto:bbaugh@mac.com">bbaugh@mac.com</a> for more focused rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268499</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, could you point me to where some of your stuff is sold or to websites that discuss this?  I might be interested in doing something along these lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bruce, could you point me to where some of your stuff is sold or to websites that discuss this?  I might be interested in doing something along these lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268492</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BKN, well, making misrepresentations to the IRS is a fairly serious deal. And for what? To cheat someone out of their right to apportion their ten dollars?  This doesn&#039;t strike me as likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">BKN</span>, well, making misrepresentations to the <span class="caps">IRS</span> is a fairly serious deal. And for what? To cheat someone out of their right to apportion their ten dollars?  This doesn&#8217;t strike me as likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268487</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BKN, I feel very much sympathy for the problem of reacting to what others have said elsewhere. It&#039;s not an easy thing to manage.

As for money-making, try this as an angle: The stuff I&#039;ve done that allows lots of reuse made me money with fewer intermediaries, and in particular let me avoid some of the pitfalls familiar to anyone who&#039;s done technical writing as work for hire. (Documents that could have been part of printed manuals were instead sold online, through a storefront that automagically sends me the percentage I&#039;m contracted for each month rather than the publisher having to issue a separate check after he gets his cut. Very, very nice in a field where print distribution stinks so bad.) Once it&#039;s out there people can pass the text around as they wish but in practice they end up often willing to pay for the layout, illustration, and the rest of the bundle.

Part of contributing to the commons is making money in different ways, and having the option of sticking with existing practice, jumping on a potentially productive bandwagon, or experimenting. Reuse isn&#039;t at all incompatible with making money, and sometimes making really good money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">BKN</span>, I feel very much sympathy for the problem of reacting to what others have said elsewhere. It&#8217;s not an easy thing to manage.</p>

	<p>As for money-making, try this as an angle: The stuff I&#8217;ve done that allows lots of reuse made me money with fewer intermediaries, and in particular let me avoid some of the pitfalls familiar to anyone who&#8217;s done technical writing as work for hire. (Documents that could have been part of printed manuals were instead sold online, through a storefront that automagically sends me the percentage I&#8217;m contracted for each month rather than the publisher having to issue a separate check after he gets his cut. Very, very nice in a field where print distribution stinks so bad.) Once it&#8217;s out there people can pass the text around as they wish but in practice they end up often willing to pay for the layout, illustration, and the rest of the bundle.</p>

	<p>Part of contributing to the commons is making money in different ways, and having the option of sticking with existing practice, jumping on a potentially productive bandwagon, or experimenting. Reuse isn&#8217;t at all incompatible with making money, and sometimes making really good money.</p>
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		<title>By: BKN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BKN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Bento:

I haven&#039;t thought this through, but wouldn&#039;t your scheme create an opportunity for someone to, for a buck or two, to make a farting noise recording for others in their name? 

Bruce Baugh:

Didn&#039;t mean to put words in your mouth. (Some of my remarks are a thinly-disguised cri de coeur that clearly belongs in some other forum.) These phenomena seem to my mind as analogous, at least at some level. Maybe they&#039;re not. I&#039;m just a little baffled why some people put so much time and effort into things that they won&#039;t necessarily get paid for and, in many cases, won&#039;t even get credit/recognition for. I don&#039;t see this as a viable way of life for large numbers of people over the long haul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Martin Bento:</p>

	<p>I haven&#8217;t thought this through, but wouldn&#8217;t your scheme create an opportunity for someone to, for a buck or two, to make a farting noise recording for others in their name?</p>

	<p>Bruce Baugh:</p>

	<p>Didn&#8217;t mean to put words in your mouth. (Some of my remarks are a thinly-disguised cri de coeur that clearly belongs in some other forum.) These phenomena seem to my mind as analogous, at least at some level. Maybe they&#8217;re not. I&#8217;m just a little baffled why some people put so much time and effort into things that they won&#8217;t necessarily get paid for and, in many cases, won&#8217;t even get credit/recognition for. I don&#8217;t see this as a viable way of life for large numbers of people over the long haul.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;in my experience, most of the people beating the drum for Open Source and analogous movements/phenomena are either:
(a) tenured profs
(b) twenty-somethings whose activities are being subsidized by their parents, or who don’t mind living in a van, a tent, a squat, a friend’s basement, etc.&lt;/em&gt;

You missed c) IBM. Even in the telecoms industry, which is usually the absolute antithesis of (b), a hell of a lot of stuff runs on Linux these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>in my experience, most of the people beating the drum for Open Source and analogous movements/phenomena are either:<br />
(a) tenured profs<br />
(b) twenty-somethings whose activities are being subsidized by their parents, or who don&#8217;t mind living in a van, a tent, a squat, a friend&#8217;s basement, etc.</em></p>

	<p>You missed c) <span class="caps">IBM</span>. Even in the telecoms industry, which is usually the absolute antithesis of (b), a hell of a lot of stuff runs on Linux these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268453</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tival&quot; &gt; &quot;vital&quot;  dyslectics untie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;tival&#8221; > &#8220;vital&#8221;  dyslectics untie!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bento</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268452</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgil wrote:

&quot;People have to eat. How are they to obtain the means of existence save via the cash nexus provided by the market-place? &quot;

I think this gets to the point. So much of the tival labor of our time is abstract, yet the market has to restrict distribution to commodify it (with physical goods, natural scarcity constricts distribution, and property rights control this). The product is not scarce, but the labor to produce it still has opportunity and sometimes capital costs. Perhaps it&#039;s time to recognize that Capitalism cannot address this and socialize intellectual production, as we already do to a degree in the academy. Here&#039;s what I propose as applied to music (haven&#039;t thought through newspapers yet):

1. The tax authorities take a trivial amount, say $10 a taxpayer, in to support music.  In the US, this would generate about 2.5 billion a year, enough to supply an average of $25,000 to 100,000 artists, for example.

2. Musicians who want to qualify have to register and release all recordings they want considered in freely-copiable form.

3. Taxpayers get to go to a website and allocate their ten dollars. This preserves the market&#039;s ability to conform to taste and reward popularity.

4. Taxpayers who don&#039;t care and don&#039;t allocate get their money put into a fund for &quot;elitist&quot; art: the sort of experimental or classical work that may not attract a huge audience but which society finds worth supporting. No one is compelled to support this stuff, as they could always direct their funds elsewhere.

5. Taxpayers who object could release a recording and allocate the money to themselves. They must actually make a farting noise record or whatever, and direct money to it. Hence, the system is voluntary, not compulsory, but those who opt out have to be public cheapskates.

So, no one is forced to support it, but most will. Artists can get rewarded directly according to their public support. The &quot;cultural elite&quot; can also fund projects that lack popular support, but no one is compelled to pay for this. And the whole program is, strictly speaking, voluntary.

Would the US do this? Not first, I imagine. Socializing anything is too taboo here (although we&#039;re going to have to nationalize the banks if we don&#039;t want decades of impoverishment, and that will challenge this taboo). But no one said the US had to be first. The first nation that does this, and restricts eligibility to its residents and legal citizens, will attracts musicians from all over the world. Why would anyone want to do that? We all know about those unruly musicians, right?  Well, yes, but this can be the basis of a cultural ferment, and all the classic Richard Florida arguments come into play here. But if not the US who?

It would be the best choice for a large nation, an up-and-coming power that has musical traditions with global appeal.  I see two major candidates: Brazil and India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Virgil wrote:</p>

	<p>&#8220;People have to eat. How are they to obtain the means of existence save via the cash nexus provided by the market-place? &#8221;</p>

	<p>I think this gets to the point. So much of the tival labor of our time is abstract, yet the market has to restrict distribution to commodify it (with physical goods, natural scarcity constricts distribution, and property rights control this). The product is not scarce, but the labor to produce it still has opportunity and sometimes capital costs. Perhaps it&#8217;s time to recognize that Capitalism cannot address this and socialize intellectual production, as we already do to a degree in the academy. Here&#8217;s what I propose as applied to music (haven&#8217;t thought through newspapers yet):</p>

	<p>1. The tax authorities take a trivial amount, say $10 a taxpayer, in to support music.  In the US, this would generate about 2.5 billion a year, enough to supply an average of $25,000 to 100,000 artists, for example.</p>

	<p>2. Musicians who want to qualify have to register and release all recordings they want considered in freely-copiable form.</p>

	<p>3. Taxpayers get to go to a website and allocate their ten dollars. This preserves the market&#8217;s ability to conform to taste and reward popularity.</p>

	<p>4. Taxpayers who don&#8217;t care and don&#8217;t allocate get their money put into a fund for &#8220;elitist&#8221; art: the sort of experimental or classical work that may not attract a huge audience but which society finds worth supporting. No one is compelled to support this stuff, as they could always direct their funds elsewhere.</p>

	<p>5. Taxpayers who object could release a recording and allocate the money to themselves. They must actually make a farting noise record or whatever, and direct money to it. Hence, the system is voluntary, not compulsory, but those who opt out have to be public cheapskates.</p>

	<p>So, no one is forced to support it, but most will. Artists can get rewarded directly according to their public support. The &#8220;cultural elite&#8221; can also fund projects that lack popular support, but no one is compelled to pay for this. And the whole program is, strictly speaking, voluntary.</p>

	<p>Would the US do this? Not first, I imagine. Socializing anything is too taboo here (although we&#8217;re going to have to nationalize the banks if we don&#8217;t want decades of impoverishment, and that will challenge this taboo). But no one said the US had to be first. The first nation that does this, and restricts eligibility to its residents and legal citizens, will attracts musicians from all over the world. Why would anyone want to do that? We all know about those unruly musicians, right?  Well, yes, but this can be the basis of a cultural ferment, and all the classic Richard Florida arguments come into play here. But if not the US who?</p>

	<p>It would be the best choice for a large nation, an up-and-coming power that has musical traditions with global appeal.  I see two major candidates: Brazil and India.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  As a systems engineer with quite substantial non-market (but economically productive) &quot;hobbies&quot;, I feel quite strongly the question you raise about the prospect for reduced market working hours.  The trick is that I suspect this hinges quite strongly on the power/bargaining dynamic between workers and employers, because since much of what I do is creating automated solutions thus increasing my own productivity, they have been much, much more willing to throw increasingly large amounts of money my way than to give me more time off, despite my preference for the opposite.   It&#039;s just a lot more efficient for them to have fewer higher-quality workers.  The solution that my friends and peers have come to is to work somewhere for 2-3 years and then take 1-6mos off living on savings before moving on to the next job.  This is fairly effective, but I&#039;m not sure that level of uncertainty will go over well once my peer group has more children to feed.

BKN @21:  This strikes me as just very obviously incorrect.  The productivity of the whole tech sector has been dramatically improved by open source; the big reason being not because of any capital-savings or quality-improvement (which may or may not exist) but rather because something gotten for &quot;free&quot; can be chosen by the developer without engaging management in a time-consuming approval process.  Microsoft is probably the only Fortune-500 tech player that isn&#039;t absolutely up to its ears in open source software, in terms of consumption and creation.

virgil @25:  I think this is an important insight, but I&#039;m not sure the consequences are as dire as you suggest.  I&#039;m increasingly finding that local news is being researched better by blogs and wickedlocal than paid papers, which always seem a day late and a dollar short.  Conversely, how much do 99.5% of newspapers add on world news, and really how much independence do we get from having the NYT and the WP, which rarely seem to have much in the way of substantive disagreements?  Perhaps there is some gap around state/regional news, which has higher collection costs than local, but less visibility and market leverage than national/global.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John:  As a systems engineer with quite substantial non-market (but economically productive) &#8220;hobbies&#8221;, I feel quite strongly the question you raise about the prospect for reduced market working hours.  The trick is that I suspect this hinges quite strongly on the power/bargaining dynamic between workers and employers, because since much of what I do is creating automated solutions thus increasing my own productivity, they have been much, much more willing to throw increasingly large amounts of money my way than to give me more time off, despite my preference for the opposite.   It&#8217;s just a lot more efficient for them to have fewer higher-quality workers.  The solution that my friends and peers have come to is to work somewhere for 2-3 years and then take 1-6mos off living on savings before moving on to the next job.  This is fairly effective, but I&#8217;m not sure that level of uncertainty will go over well once my peer group has more children to feed.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BKN </span>@21:  This strikes me as just very obviously incorrect.  The productivity of the whole tech sector has been dramatically improved by open source; the big reason being not because of any capital-savings or quality-improvement (which may or may not exist) but rather because something gotten for &#8220;free&#8221; can be chosen by the developer without engaging management in a time-consuming approval process.  Microsoft is probably the only Fortune-500 tech player that isn&#8217;t absolutely up to its ears in open source software, in terms of consumption and creation.</p>

	<p>virgil @25:  I think this is an important insight, but I&#8217;m not sure the consequences are as dire as you suggest.  I&#8217;m increasingly finding that local news is being researched better by blogs and wickedlocal than paid papers, which always seem a day late and a dollar short.  Conversely, how much do 99.5% of newspapers add on world news, and really how much independence do we get from having the <span class="caps">NYT</span> and the WP, which rarely seem to have much in the way of substantive disagreements?  Perhaps there is some gap around state/regional news, which has higher collection costs than local, but less visibility and market leverage than national/global.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268429</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BKN: Well, I immediately think of &lt;a href=&quot;http://whatever.scalzi.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Scalzi&lt;/a&gt; in this context, though where you get Wikipedia, podcasting, YouTube, remixing MP3s or any of that stuff out of my comment, I couldn&#039;t say. I write and edit prose. That&#039;s all I do. I have no graphical talent to speak of and whatever music talent I have is deeply constrained by auto-immune and neurological problems. I&#039;m dealing with writing essays, manuals, and fiction.

One of the things this thread hasn&#039;t touched on but should is the growing opportunities for hobbyist creators to get some audience and some reward for their effort. This is the case for quite a few of my friends, who have day jobs doing whatever that enable them to maintain a middle-class lifestyle, and who write or compose or illustrate on the side, giving it a few hours a week, a weekend a month, or something of the sort. The opportunities for quality production of amateur work are amazing, and getting better all the time. Some creative effort needs full-time attention. But not all does. If anything, there are some kinds of creating that may really benefit from not being someone&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">BKN</span>: Well, I immediately think of <a href="http://whatever.scalzi.com" rel="nofollow">John Scalzi</a> in this context, though where you get Wikipedia, podcasting, YouTube, remixing MP3s or any of that stuff out of my comment, I couldn&#8217;t say. I write and edit prose. That&#8217;s all I do. I have no graphical talent to speak of and whatever music talent I have is deeply constrained by auto-immune and neurological problems. I&#8217;m dealing with writing essays, manuals, and fiction.</p>

	<p>One of the things this thread hasn&#8217;t touched on but should is the growing opportunities for hobbyist creators to get some audience and some reward for their effort. This is the case for quite a few of my friends, who have day jobs doing whatever that enable them to maintain a middle-class lifestyle, and who write or compose or illustrate on the side, giving it a few hours a week, a weekend a month, or something of the sort. The opportunities for quality production of amateur work are amazing, and getting better all the time. Some creative effort needs full-time attention. But not all does. If anything, there are some kinds of creating that may really benefit from not being someone&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: BKN</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268426</link>
		<dc:creator>BKN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible for me (and my two kids, 8 and 11) to enjoy a middle-class lifestyle while I do, as Bruce Baugh&#039;s post seems to suggest, some fluid mix of writing a blog, creating/editing wikipedia pages, hosting a podcast, posting videos to YouTube, swapping and remixing MP3 files, tweeting, etc.?  Only to the extent that my activities are subsidized by the thrift of previous generations and/or the income (and forbearance) of someone in a (heavily state-subsidized) service industry with relatively high-value skills that are (currently) difficult to outsource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it possible for me (and my two kids, 8 and 11) to enjoy a middle-class lifestyle while I do, as Bruce Baugh&#8217;s post seems to suggest, some fluid mix of writing a blog, creating/editing wikipedia pages, hosting a podcast, posting videos to YouTube, swapping and remixing <span class="caps">MP3</span> files, tweeting, etc.?  Only to the extent that my activities are subsidized by the thrift of previous generations and/or the income (and forbearance) of someone in a (heavily state-subsidized) service industry with relatively high-value skills that are (currently) difficult to outsource.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/05/the-end-of-the-cash-nexus/comment-page-1/#comment-268400</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I don&#039;t want tp leave the impression that I do not recognize that these cooperative, non-cash oriented systems are (and will have) very real dynamic effects (for good AND ill) upon the current socio-economic ways the world is structured. It is just my belief that ultimately while they will undoubtedly will/have an important evolutionary and/or revolutionary role to play in the coming years, they cannot, it seems to me, serve as a replacement paradigm for societal organization notwithstanding the fact that almost all the trends Quiggin notes/ observes are obviously true to one degree or another. John Quiggin&#039;s analysis of the trends reads more like a devoutly hoped for result as opposed to a dispassionate study of the subject--but that&#039;s just me, and in any even he is entitled to his views--which certainly may hardly be said to lack merit in the case of the subject matter under discussion--and a timely subject it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I should add that I don&#8217;t want tp leave the impression that I do not recognize that these cooperative, non-cash oriented systems are (and will have) very real dynamic effects (for good <span class="caps">AND</span> ill) upon the current socio-economic ways the world is structured. It is just my belief that ultimately while they will undoubtedly will/have an important evolutionary and/or revolutionary role to play in the coming years, they cannot, it seems to me, serve as a replacement paradigm for societal organization notwithstanding the fact that almost all the trends Quiggin notes/ observes are obviously true to one degree or another. John Quiggin&#8217;s analysis of the trends reads more like a devoutly hoped for result as opposed to a dispassionate study of the subject&#8212;but that&#8217;s just me, and in any even he is entitled to his views&#8212;which certainly may hardly be said to lack merit in the case of the subject matter under discussion&#8212;and a timely subject it is.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on the comments of BKN, Matt@10 and Bruce Baugh, it seems to me that there are some very dysfunctional unintended (even if predictable ) consequences that attend to the trends so described here. Graig&#039;s List is one such example, it seems to me. Here is a &quot;networked,&quot; virtually not for profit cooperative enterprise that has destroyed a large part of the economic model that newspapers use to sustain profitability, and thus their very existence. 

In some ways Craig&#039;s List seems analogous to new plant/animal species introduced into new environments that have no known predators and thus come to crowd out/exterminate the native flora/fauna--often with devastating environmental consequences--especially in the case of unrestricted animal predators
who often end up extinct themselves via starvation once they have killed off all the native species that were their food supply (or, in the case of the triumph of one species of plant-life making the resultant  mono-culture highly susceptible to disease.)   One may see the vivid actual processes worked out when this happens in isolated closed systems in the natural world such as billi-bongs and oasis-type environs.

In the case of Graig&#039;s List, when combined with web-sites/blogs which give information away for free--yet depend on salary-based news organizations rooted in the financial, market-based world to produce it--this trend may see the demise of a large segment of the internet once the animal (the newspapers) upon which the essentially parasitic blogosphere feeds  dies. Already one sees some blogs such as TPM, etc., hiring their own reporters--but this entails real costs that a viewing public may not wish to pay for and neither will advertisers as Pajamas Media has found out. 

A very wise businessman when asked by me why his major competitor went out of business replied: &quot;Because he didn&#039;t charge enough for his services.&quot; He went on to explain that while everyone is always trying to eliminate the middle-man, they are often far less successful in eliminating the middle-man&#039;s costs--which are very real or middle-men would not exist. Most businesses today in the market economy are busily trying to externalize their internal costs (which is why one tangles with interminable automated phone trees on one&#039;s own time rather than having a salaried phone operator of the firm one is calling do the work.) But their is a limit to this and in any event they can never get &quot;lean and mean&quot; enough to ward off predators whose costs are essentially zero (for statistical purposes) by comparison. But once the host body is dead, the parasitic competitors have no means of generating the lifeblood (in this case information) on their own that they previously obtained cost free--which means
that the functional equivalent of the newspaper--with all it&#039;s attendant costs--will have to be replicated somehow if the same level of &quot;services&quot; is still desired by the general public, i.e., if the example here (the newspaper) did not already exist, it would have to be invented--and for all the same reasons it was invented in the first place. 

I, for one, think the concept of &quot;the end of the cash nexus&quot; is of limited utility. People have to eat. How are they to obtain the means of existence save via the cash nexus provided by the market-place? Unless, of course, the genteel poverty so represented by the university existence from whence most academics come is seen as the nirvana toward which all should not only aspire but be forced to adopt--as opposed to mere crass commercialism cravings for  material betterment.  It all reminds me of the futuristic societies I read about in the Science Fiction novels of my youth where robots had eliminated all work for humans. Always glossed over in the plot lines was
how, in fact, humans were supposed to then sustain themselves and maintain the option of preferential individual lifestyles--save for the feudalistic existence (however cushy) inferred (by graphic plot depictions if not exactly formally/explicitly described) by the authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Following on the comments of <span class="caps">BKN</span>, Matt@10 and Bruce Baugh, it seems to me that there are some very dysfunctional unintended (even if predictable ) consequences that attend to the trends so described here. Graig&#8217;s List is one such example, it seems to me. Here is a &#8220;networked,&#8221; virtually not for profit cooperative enterprise that has destroyed a large part of the economic model that newspapers use to sustain profitability, and thus their very existence.</p>

	<p>In some ways Craig&#8217;s List seems analogous to new plant/animal species introduced into new environments that have no known predators and thus come to crowd out/exterminate the native flora/fauna&#8212;often with devastating environmental consequences&#8212;especially in the case of unrestricted animal predators<br />
who often end up extinct themselves via starvation once they have killed off all the native species that were their food supply (or, in the case of the triumph of one species of plant-life making the resultant  mono-culture highly susceptible to disease.)   One may see the vivid actual processes worked out when this happens in isolated closed systems in the natural world such as billi-bongs and oasis-type environs.</p>

	<p>In the case of Graig&#8217;s List, when combined with web-sites/blogs which give information away for free&#8212;yet depend on salary-based news organizations rooted in the financial, market-based world to produce it&#8212;this trend may see the demise of a large segment of the internet once the animal (the newspapers) upon which the essentially parasitic blogosphere feeds  dies. Already one sees some blogs such as <span class="caps">TPM</span>, etc., hiring their own reporters&#8212;but this entails real costs that a viewing public may not wish to pay for and neither will advertisers as Pajamas Media has found out.</p>

	<p>A very wise businessman when asked by me why his major competitor went out of business replied: &#8220;Because he didn&#8217;t charge enough for his services.&#8221; He went on to explain that while everyone is always trying to eliminate the middle-man, they are often far less successful in eliminating the middle-man&#8217;s costs&#8212;which are very real or middle-men would not exist. Most businesses today in the market economy are busily trying to externalize their internal costs (which is why one tangles with interminable automated phone trees on one&#8217;s own time rather than having a salaried phone operator of the firm one is calling do the work.) But their is a limit to this and in any event they can never get &#8220;lean and mean&#8221; enough to ward off predators whose costs are essentially zero (for statistical purposes) by comparison. But once the host body is dead, the parasitic competitors have no means of generating the lifeblood (in this case information) on their own that they previously obtained cost free&#8212;which means<br />
that the functional equivalent of the newspaper&#8212;with all it&#8217;s attendant costs&#8212;will have to be replicated somehow if the same level of &#8220;services&#8221; is still desired by the general public, i.e., if the example here (the newspaper) did not already exist, it would have to be invented&#8212;and for all the same reasons it was invented in the first place.</p>

	<p>I, for one, think the concept of &#8220;the end of the cash nexus&#8221; is of limited utility. People have to eat. How are they to obtain the means of existence save via the cash nexus provided by the market-place? Unless, of course, the genteel poverty so represented by the university existence from whence most academics come is seen as the nirvana toward which all should not only aspire but be forced to adopt&#8212;as opposed to mere crass commercialism cravings for  material betterment.  It all reminds me of the futuristic societies I read about in the Science Fiction novels of my youth where robots had eliminated all work for humans. Always glossed over in the plot lines was<br />
how, in fact, humans were supposed to then sustain themselves and maintain the option of preferential individual lifestyles&#8212;save for the feudalistic existence (however cushy) inferred (by graphic plot depictions if not exactly formally/explicitly described) by the authors.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goods outside the marketplace are less taxable. Imagine trying to tax facebook accounts, for example.

So if this is true the governments tax base should fall as a fraction of the economy. Perhaps even in an absolute sense, as people moved over into the non-taxed part of the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Goods outside the marketplace are less taxable. Imagine trying to tax facebook accounts, for example.</p>

	<p>So if this is true the governments tax base should fall as a fraction of the economy. Perhaps even in an absolute sense, as people moved over into the non-taxed part of the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 40-something writer and editor who&#039;s very keen on having a big commons, and have contributed to it with material for my own lil&#039; niche. And I&#039;ve made some decent money through the commercial sale of well-formatted presentation of text that is, under the terms of the license used to write it, freely available for others in the field to reuse, with very few constraints. People will pay for the services of an art director, editor, and so on - at least, enough of them well to make sales that work out to a word rate as good or better than I&#039;d have gotten writing the same kind of thing under terms that don&#039;t allow for free reuse.

What I find, and what friends who&#039;ve gone much more wholeheartedly into writing things with an eye on immediate release into the commons find, is that one ends up doing a different mix of work, but less radically transformed than either foolish hypesters or foolish critics assert. Good - which is to say, worth the while of some sufficient number of customers - work made in traditional ways will continue to flourish, simply because consumer time has value too, and nobody can play their own editor all the time. It&#039;ll just exist alongside alternatives, with expectations shifting around in various directions.

The most important thing someone trying to create work they&#039;d like to sell can do about the commons is to stop worrying about freeloaders. You can&#039;t stop them anyway. Just focus on whether there&#039;s enough of a paying audience, and how to identify and reach it and who cares about the rest?

My own concern is just the awareness of how much this all does depend on people still hauling away the garbage, stocking the store shelves, delivering the mail, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a 40-something writer and editor who&#8217;s very keen on having a big commons, and have contributed to it with material for my own lil&#8217; niche. And I&#8217;ve made some decent money through the commercial sale of well-formatted presentation of text that is, under the terms of the license used to write it, freely available for others in the field to reuse, with very few constraints. People will pay for the services of an art director, editor, and so on &#8211; at least, enough of them well to make sales that work out to a word rate as good or better than I&#8217;d have gotten writing the same kind of thing under terms that don&#8217;t allow for free reuse.</p>

	<p>What I find, and what friends who&#8217;ve gone much more wholeheartedly into writing things with an eye on immediate release into the commons find, is that one ends up doing a different mix of work, but less radically transformed than either foolish hypesters or foolish critics assert. Good &#8211; which is to say, worth the while of some sufficient number of customers &#8211; work made in traditional ways will continue to flourish, simply because consumer time has value too, and nobody can play their own editor all the time. It&#8217;ll just exist alongside alternatives, with expectations shifting around in various directions.</p>

	<p>The most important thing someone trying to create work they&#8217;d like to sell can do about the commons is to stop worrying about freeloaders. You can&#8217;t stop them anyway. Just focus on whether there&#8217;s enough of a paying audience, and how to identify and reach it and who cares about the rest?</p>

	<p>My own concern is just the awareness of how much this all does depend on people still hauling away the garbage, stocking the store shelves, delivering the mail, and so on.</p>
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