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		<title>By: Mitchell Rowe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-2/#comment-269346</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:
I really hope you do not waste a lot of mental energy on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Keith:<br />
I really hope you do not waste a lot of mental energy on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith M Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith M Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;So even when someone is telling a SPECIFIC story they should not use words that specify gender? Really?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve long had a rule—that, upon consideration, I admit I haven&#039;t followed for several years—that I avoid mentioning gender and race and similar when describing something or telling a story unless that fact has specific relevance.

This may seem excessive, and avoiding mentioning gender is difficult, but most of us are so culturally sensitive to these kinds of things and are biased with stereotypes, that it&#039;s helpful to explicitly go against the grain.

I had a friend/roommate who I had been complaining/venting to for weeks about a coworker.  One day, my friend visited my work and met that coworker.  Later, he told me how astonished he was to discover that my coworker was black.  Why hadn&#039;t I told him, he asked me, with an incredulous tone.  This was in the eighties.

In the same sense that most of us, today, rightly recognize that my friend was at least a little bit racist and this was revealed by the obvious fact that he thought that knowing the race of my coworker was perhaps one of the single most important things to know about him (and thus he couldn&#039;t imagine why I hadn&#039;t mentioned it), it&#039;s worth considering that the very same dynamic applies to the almost universal need to know the gender of someone as a key fact.  When we insist on knowing the gender of someone second-hand, we&#039;re doing so because our thinking is very sexist and knowing this fact establishes in our minds a huge range of assumptions about them.  This is the very foundation of sexism.

It&#039;s good to work against this.  It&#039;s good for people to discover that they merely assumed someone was male simply because gender wasn&#039;t specified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;So even when someone is telling a <span class="caps">SPECIFIC</span> story they should not use words that specify gender? Really?&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve long had a rule&#8212;that, upon consideration, I admit I haven&#8217;t followed for several years&#8212;that I avoid mentioning gender and race and similar when describing something or telling a story unless that fact has specific relevance.</p>

	<p>This may seem excessive, and avoiding mentioning gender is difficult, but most of us are so culturally sensitive to these kinds of things and are biased with stereotypes, that it&#8217;s helpful to explicitly go against the grain.</p>

	<p>I had a friend/roommate who I had been complaining/venting to for weeks about a coworker.  One day, my friend visited my work and met that coworker.  Later, he told me how astonished he was to discover that my coworker was black.  Why hadn&#8217;t I told him, he asked me, with an incredulous tone.  This was in the eighties.</p>

	<p>In the same sense that most of us, today, rightly recognize that my friend was at least a little bit racist and this was revealed by the obvious fact that he thought that knowing the race of my coworker was perhaps one of the single most important things to know about him (and thus he couldn&#8217;t imagine why I hadn&#8217;t mentioned it), it&#8217;s worth considering that the very same dynamic applies to the almost universal need to know the gender of someone as a key fact.  When we insist on knowing the gender of someone second-hand, we&#8217;re doing so because our thinking is very sexist and knowing this fact establishes in our minds a huge range of assumptions about them.  This is the very foundation of sexism.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s good to work against this.  It&#8217;s good for people to discover that they merely assumed someone was male simply because gender wasn&#8217;t specified.</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a mistake or two on those recruitment trips. 

I think a certain university was happy that I chose a different institution for a number of reasons. At the time I was living abroad doing some political organizing and broke. The booz was flowing at the university hoasted event. So I enjoyed myself, which means I got a little, well, wasted. 

Then, I ended up playing Tom Waits songs on the piano and telling a few jokes (not off color but maybe low brow). We had a good time, but the next morning I remember thinking that there were a few people who thought &quot;fun now, but six years of this would be hell&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I made a mistake or two on those recruitment trips.</p>

	<p>I think a certain university was happy that I chose a different institution for a number of reasons. At the time I was living abroad doing some political organizing and broke. The booz was flowing at the university hoasted event. So I enjoyed myself, which means I got a little, well, wasted.</p>

	<p>Then, I ended up playing Tom Waits songs on the piano and telling a few jokes (not off color but maybe low brow). We had a good time, but the next morning I remember thinking that there were a few people who thought &#8220;fun now, but six years of this would be hell&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Rowe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-1/#comment-269207</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cryptic ned

Good policy.  Who knows who you might accidentally offend by using crazy words like &quot;wife&quot; or &quot;husband&quot;.  Truly that sort of behavior has to be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cryptic ned</p>

	<p>Good policy.  Who knows who you might accidentally offend by using crazy words like &#8220;wife&#8221; or &#8220;husband&#8221;.  Truly that sort of behavior has to be stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned, that rules out Spanish (and probably most other romance languages, but I don&#039;t know them well enough to say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ned, that rules out Spanish (and probably most other romance languages, but I don&#8217;t know them well enough to say).</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptic ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, will never use a word that specifies gender again.  Better safe than sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I, for one, will never use a word that specifies gender again.  Better safe than sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Rowe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-1/#comment-269168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine:
So even when someone is telling a SPECIFIC story they should not use words that specify gender?  Really?</description>
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So even when someone is telling a <span class="caps">SPECIFIC</span> story they should not use words that specify gender?  Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair McKinstry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-1/#comment-269156</link>
		<dc:creator>Alastair McKinstry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another for the list: avoid going to social gatherings beforehand that may involve the interviewers (eg a national physics students society meeting); its hard to muster the necessary gravitas when meeting your prospective head-of-department having seen him  drunk, doing the conga the night before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another for the list: avoid going to social gatherings beforehand that may involve the interviewers (eg a national physics students society meeting); its hard to muster the necessary gravitas when meeting your prospective head-of-department having seen him  drunk, doing the conga the night before.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Kathering: “We’re assuming are we that all department heads are male, and all grad students are male? Lord.”

 Lighten up francis.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sigh. Someday, somewhere, someone is going to be able to point out an instance of sexist language without being told immediately to &quot;lighten up&quot;.  Thank you, Mitchell Rowe, for the implication that I should worry my little head about something that is &quot;just a joke&quot;.

And yes, klk, I am aware that it was probably a specific instance.  I don&#039;t see anything to prevent the use of the word &quot;spouse&quot; to accurately tell the story and simultaneously cover all the bases and prevent excuding a significant chunk of your audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Kathering: &#8220;We&#8217;re assuming are we that all department heads are male, and all grad students are male? Lord.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Lighten up francis.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Sigh. Someday, somewhere, someone is going to be able to point out an instance of sexist language without being told immediately to &#8220;lighten up&#8221;.  Thank you, Mitchell Rowe, for the implication that I should worry my little head about something that is &#8220;just a joke&#8221;.</p>

	<p>And yes, klk, I am aware that it was probably a specific instance.  I don&#8217;t see anything to prevent the use of the word &#8220;spouse&#8221; to accurately tell the story and simultaneously cover all the bases and prevent excuding a significant chunk of your audience.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-1/#comment-269134</link>
		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got the causality reversed. That&#039;s why I went to grad school. (No, not really, but anyway...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You got the causality reversed. That&#8217;s why I went to grad school. (No, not really, but anyway&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Data on a Friday night?  You spent too much time in grad school.</description>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/12/good-advice-for-prospective-grad-students/comment-page-1/#comment-269130</link>
		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway. dsquared, data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyway. dsquared, data?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a prospective grad student, I heard the legend of a chap who visited two top philosophy departments (these visits usually occur after you&#039;ve been admitted and promised funding).  He behaved so badly that the first department asked the university lawyers whether they could rescind the offer, only to hear that they couldn&#039;t.  The second department was luckier--the kid spent a night in jail during the visit, which was all the cover they needed to get rid of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a prospective grad student, I heard the legend of a chap who visited two top philosophy departments (these visits usually occur after you&#8217;ve been admitted and promised funding).  He behaved so badly that the first department asked the university lawyers whether they could rescind the offer, only to hear that they couldn&#8217;t.  The second department was luckier&#8212;the kid spent a night in jail during the visit, which was all the cover they needed to get rid of him.</p>
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		<title>By: John  Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seemed funny at the time, but I guess it wasn&#039;t. I was putting myself into the sexist economics student role to enthusiastically. 

Around 1525 Jagiellons ruled Poland, Lithuania, Bohemia, and Hungary, though the realms weren&#039;t united. This despite their famously late marriages and low fertility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It seemed funny at the time, but I guess it wasn&#8217;t. I was putting myself into the sexist economics student role to enthusiastically.</p>

	<p>Around 1525 Jagiellons ruled Poland, Lithuania, Bohemia, and Hungary, though the realms weren&#8217;t united. This despite their famously late marriages and low fertility.</p>
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		<title>By: notsneaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsneaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep trying John. And the Lithuanians will beat you up unless you spell it Jogaila.</description>
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