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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269384</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry,

Well - in another entirely non-joking mood - I don&#039;t think it is bizarre. Not bizarre at all in fact, to manage anything well you have to have at least an understanding, preferably a passion, for the field in which you are managing. If that field happens to be academic in nature I firmly believe that not only do you have to find academic pursuits helpful &amp; crucial but also you have to feel that specific academic pursuit helpful &amp; crucial. So - at least in some shape or form - you have to be some kind of academic. The notion that it is possible to fly in a &#039;manager&#039; to better perform in a &#039;position&#039; is the worst of all.

That being said, insofar as my PS interests you, I was some kind of academic. Not only did I forego a lot of income that year but, more importantly, I graduated cum laude (it is admittedly not the most significant distinction but still: they asked me for a research position so I guess there was something).

I don&#039;t hold a grudge by the way. I find the preselection mechanism for managers (and politicians) is counterproductive but this is how things are. The persons related to the PS were not in the field of sociology or group psychology so they&#039;re not the ones to be making breakthroughs in this.

PS: what is the academic field studying &#039;managerialness&#039;? It certainly isn&#039;t economics &amp; MBA&#039;s are about anything but managerial skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harry,</p>

	<p>Well &#8211; in another entirely non-joking mood &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it is bizarre. Not bizarre at all in fact, to manage anything well you have to have at least an understanding, preferably a passion, for the field in which you are managing. If that field happens to be academic in nature I firmly believe that not only do you have to find academic pursuits helpful &#038; crucial but also you have to feel that specific academic pursuit helpful &#038; crucial. So &#8211; at least in some shape or form &#8211; you have to be some kind of academic. The notion that it is possible to fly in a &#8216;manager&#8217; to better perform in a &#8216;position&#8217; is the worst of all.</p>

	<p>That being said, insofar as my PS interests you, I was some kind of academic. Not only did I forego a lot of income that year but, more importantly, I graduated cum laude (it is admittedly not the most significant distinction but still: they asked me for a research position so I guess there was something).</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t hold a grudge by the way. I find the preselection mechanism for managers (and politicians) is counterproductive but this is how things are. The persons related to the PS were not in the field of sociology or group psychology so they&#8217;re not the ones to be making breakthroughs in this.</p>

	<p>PS: what is the academic field studying &#8216;managerialness&#8217;? It certainly isn&#8217;t economics &#038; <span class="caps">MBA</span>&#8217;s are about anything but managerial skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve enjoyed Crooked Timber from afar, because as a union side lawyer for college professors and K-12 teachers in California, I&#039;ve had my hands full.  But this is too much up my alley to pass up.   Management is a hugely important skill in academia and K-12, but it is virtually non-existent.   It&#039;s worse when supposed &quot;leaders of men&quot; are brought in to do the business (Gang of Four and gender marginalia intended), usually former military who can shape the system up.    
The scenarios of malfeasance are almost unending (I&#039;m aware of the criticism that from my vantage point, all I see is the bad.  Not true, actually.  I have great working relationships with people who know what they are doing, also) -- and it isn&#039;t just the former military folk.  
My day is made up of dealing with principals that use children and parents to undermine classroom teachers who oppose them, misuse of grant funds, rampant bullying, illegal administrator interference in union elections, and bizarre attempts to privatize college courses in public institutions.  That was all by lunch.
Believe me, I understand the difference between the merely bad managers and the illegal ones.   
At the college level, there are multiple impediments to good management from academics, including that those left of center often have a hard incorporating good management practices (i.e., responsible use of power) into the idea they may have about themselves.  It is often not enough for those managers to have compliance, they need the profs under them to agree that the directive is the best possible way the directive could be issued.   Since my working definition of power is the ability to change the behavior or conduct of someone (or something) without their direct consent, I don&#039;t think the agreement factor matters much over time.  But it is really important to managers who want to believe that their exercise of power is something more than, well, them exercising power.  
I also meet many, many managers who don&#039;t know what they wish to accomplish, and seem to have lost sight of why they sought the managerial position to begin with.   Once there ambition was satisfied with getting the position, they lose interest.
Thank you, Harry, for raising the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed Crooked Timber from afar, because as a union side lawyer for college professors and K-12 teachers in California, I&#8217;ve had my hands full.  But this is too much up my alley to pass up.   Management is a hugely important skill in academia and K-12, but it is virtually non-existent.   It&#8217;s worse when supposed &#8220;leaders of men&#8221; are brought in to do the business (Gang of Four and gender marginalia intended), usually former military who can shape the system up.<br />
The scenarios of malfeasance are almost unending (I&#8217;m aware of the criticism that from my vantage point, all I see is the bad.  Not true, actually.  I have great working relationships with people who know what they are doing, also)&#8212;and it isn&#8217;t just the former military folk.<br />
My day is made up of dealing with principals that use children and parents to undermine classroom teachers who oppose them, misuse of grant funds, rampant bullying, illegal administrator interference in union elections, and bizarre attempts to privatize college courses in public institutions.  That was all by lunch.<br />
Believe me, I understand the difference between the merely bad managers and the illegal ones.<br />
At the college level, there are multiple impediments to good management from academics, including that those left of center often have a hard incorporating good management practices (i.e., responsible use of power) into the idea they may have about themselves.  It is often not enough for those managers to have compliance, they need the profs under them to agree that the directive is the best possible way the directive could be issued.   Since my working definition of power is the ability to change the behavior or conduct of someone (or something) without their direct consent, I don&#8217;t think the agreement factor matters much over time.  But it is really important to managers who want to believe that their exercise of power is something more than, well, them exercising power.<br />
I also meet many, many managers who don&#8217;t know what they wish to accomplish, and seem to have lost sight of why they sought the managerial position to begin with.   Once there ambition was satisfied with getting the position, they lose interest.<br />
Thank you, Harry, for raising the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269369</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;The idea that no-one else could do it well is bizarre.&#039;&#039;

Perhaps it&#039;s more &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; [and would stay on &#039;happily&#039;] than &quot;could.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;&#8217;The idea that no-one else could do it well is bizarre.&#8217;&#8217;</p>

	<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s more <i>would</i> [and would stay on &#8216;happily&#8217;] than &#8220;could.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269349</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t find the anecdote in  JoB&#039;s PS at all surprising. But I do find it incredibly odd that only academics manage academics. The idea that no-one else could do it well is bizarre. The idea that academic institutions couldn&#039;t recognise non-academics who could do it well is less bizarre, but still implausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, I don&#8217;t find the anecdote in  JoB&#8217;s PS at all surprising. But I do find it incredibly odd that only academics manage academics. The idea that no-one else could do it well is bizarre. The idea that academic institutions couldn&#8217;t recognise non-academics who could do it well is less bizarre, but still implausible.</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269348</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not very informed about the academic environment but I am a manager - not because it is what I like to do most but because it is what I do best given the environment I work in isn&#039;t the environment in which I want to be a subject-matter expert. 

The root issue is not, I think, whether managers should be gurus, be more parental or have to enjoy bringing the bad messages ... the root issue is as Harry hinted above: manager selection has a basic flaw. Typically the best subject-matter experts survive the pre-selection and after that the final selection stage is limited to a group not necessarily including the best managers (this is a common problem in our complex society; politicians on the ballot are rarely part of the set of people best suited for office). 

The only way to solve the problem is to force the selection process to be different. Mind you: the solution is not to select &#039;managers&#039; right away. The worst managers are those that have no expertise whatsoever or have no interest in the field or domain in which they manage. A whole industry of absolutely ridiculous management litterature is predicated on the nonsense that to be a manager is to have some specific stand-alone skill.

PS: I lied, I have some experience in the academic field. In a sabbatical I got a master degree in cognitive sciences and was offered a job as researcher. I would have to settle for half of the pay (which could have been OK) but on my question &quot;given my background, maybe I could help by also helping to manage the department&quot; I got total stupefaction on the other side. Apparently - at least in that University - &#039;helping to manage&#039; was interpreted as a threat to the status quo and they largely preferred to stay oblivious of modern people management experience ;-)

PPS: It would be unfair to single out as per tha above academics - the same reaction would be a natural one for an engineering, a finance, a HR or most every other functional area ;-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not very informed about the academic environment but I am a manager &#8211; not because it is what I like to do most but because it is what I do best given the environment I work in isn&#8217;t the environment in which I want to be a subject-matter expert.</p>

	<p>The root issue is not, I think, whether managers should be gurus, be more parental or have to enjoy bringing the bad messages &#8230; the root issue is as Harry hinted above: manager selection has a basic flaw. Typically the best subject-matter experts survive the pre-selection and after that the final selection stage is limited to a group not necessarily including the best managers (this is a common problem in our complex society; politicians on the ballot are rarely part of the set of people best suited for office).</p>

	<p>The only way to solve the problem is to force the selection process to be different. Mind you: the solution is not to select &#8216;managers&#8217; right away. The worst managers are those that have no expertise whatsoever or have no interest in the field or domain in which they manage. A whole industry of absolutely ridiculous management litterature is predicated on the nonsense that to be a manager is to have some specific stand-alone skill.</p>

	<p>PS: I lied, I have some experience in the academic field. In a sabbatical I got a master degree in cognitive sciences and was offered a job as researcher. I would have to settle for half of the pay (which could have been OK) but on my question &#8220;given my background, maybe I could help by also helping to manage the department&#8221; I got total stupefaction on the other side. Apparently &#8211; at least in that University &#8211; &#8216;helping to manage&#8217; was interpreted as a threat to the status quo and they largely preferred to stay oblivious of modern people management experience ;-)</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PPS</span>: It would be unfair to single out as per tha above academics &#8211; the same reaction would be a natural one for an engineering, a finance, a HR or most every other functional area ;-(</p>
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		<title>By: joel turnipseed</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel turnipseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris @ 12 is well within the bulls-eye.

If I may expand on three of his points:

1) Communicating up and down the org chart. This is easily the most important function, where &quot;communicating&quot; is taken to mean: &quot;your job is to facilitate the transfer of the maximum amount of data with least noise and fastest cycle-times, while providing the least amount of interruption in ongoing work.&quot; Or something like that.

2) Understanding and negotiating with those who know more than you about how to get things done (while dealing with related asymmetry of your greater knowledge regarding why they need to get done: Repeat three times after me: &quot;3rd Quarter Earnings Call...&quot;). The more I reflect on this one, the more I&#039;m sure the U.S. is screwed long-term from our ridiculous management of risk- and reward-sharing in both our employment and social contracts (especially given increased visibility into both: &quot;So, you wrote the entire MMIX plug-in for Eclipse this weekend--that&#039;s great: I happen to &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; Donald Knuth! Now when are you going to finish that Drupal form-checking module you&#039;ve been working on all month?&quot; meets &quot;Hey, saw the 10-K we released last week: $220K in revenue per employee, up 23%... Explain to me again why I only got a 4% raise with a 6% bonus this year: Did PwC not have the numbers ready or something?&quot;).

3) Keeping teams motivated and working in same direction/at the same pace (no critical path weirdness; no team pathologies: I once had a senior developer who checked the code of a peer developer of whom he was jealous--but who reported to him on the project--into a CVS directory called &quot;piss bucket&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chris @ 12 is well within the bulls-eye.</p>

	<p>If I may expand on three of his points:</p>

	<p>1) Communicating up and down the org chart. This is easily the most important function, where &#8220;communicating&#8221; is taken to mean: &#8220;your job is to facilitate the transfer of the maximum amount of data with least noise and fastest cycle-times, while providing the least amount of interruption in ongoing work.&#8221; Or something like that.</p>

	<p>2) Understanding and negotiating with those who know more than you about how to get things done (while dealing with related asymmetry of your greater knowledge regarding why they need to get done: Repeat three times after me: &#8220;3rd Quarter Earnings Call&#8230;&#8221;). The more I reflect on this one, the more I&#8217;m sure the U.S. is screwed long-term from our ridiculous management of risk- and reward-sharing in both our employment and social contracts (especially given increased visibility into both: &#8220;So, you wrote the entire <span class="caps">MMIX</span> plug-in for Eclipse this weekend&#8212;that&#8217;s great: I happen to <em>love</em> Donald Knuth! Now when are you going to finish that Drupal form-checking module you&#8217;ve been working on all month?&#8221; meets &#8220;Hey, saw the 10-K we released last week: $220K in revenue per employee, up 23%&#8230; Explain to me again why I only got a 4% raise with a 6% bonus this year: Did PwC not have the numbers ready or something?&#8221;).</p>

	<p>3) Keeping teams motivated and working in same direction/at the same pace (no critical path weirdness; no team pathologies: I once had a senior developer who checked the code of a peer developer of whom he was jealous&#8212;but who reported to him on the project&#8212;into a <span class="caps">CVS</span> directory called &#8220;piss bucket&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of the weird facts of life is that for just about everything you hate doing, there is someone out there who loves doing it. (There are even people who get a real kick out of cleaning toilets.)&lt;/i&gt;

This is one of the things I love about the show &quot;Dirty Jobs&quot; - the guys (and it is virtually all guys, sorry) who do the filthiest work always seem to have the biggest smiles on their faces...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>One of the weird facts of life is that for just about everything you hate doing, there is someone out there who loves doing it. (There are even people who get a real kick out of cleaning toilets.)</i></p>

	<p>This is one of the things I love about the show &#8220;Dirty Jobs&#8221; &#8211; the guys (and it is virtually all guys, sorry) who do the filthiest work always seem to have the biggest smiles on their faces&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I thought there were useful things in Schwartz’s article, but I hate the “turn the org chart upside down” nonsense. Neither employees nor managers ever believe it. If you are telling other people what to do you have power over them. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. &quot;

Isn&#039;t he really describing what he thinks of as the ethos of a good manager.  I don&#039;t think he is denying that managers have power over their employees.  I think he is saying that if you want to be a good manager you have to focus more on the responsibilities than the power.  

Which is probably a good lesson in a lot of areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I thought there were useful things in Schwartz&#8217;s article, but I hate the &#8220;turn the org chart upside down&#8221; nonsense. Neither employees nor managers ever believe it. If you are telling other people what to do you have power over them. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. &#8221;</p>

	<p>Isn&#8217;t he really describing what he thinks of as the ethos of a good manager.  I don&#8217;t think he is denying that managers have power over their employees.  I think he is saying that if you want to be a good manager you have to focus more on the responsibilities than the power.</p>

	<p>Which is probably a good lesson in a lot of areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269305</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me, I am new here but I feel a rant coming on.

I thought there were useful things in Schwartz&#039;s article, but I hate the &quot;turn the org chart upside down&quot; nonsense. Neither employees nor managers ever believe it. If you are telling other people what to do you have power over them. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. I also find org charts to be inaccurate pictures of how power and control is distributed throughout the organisation. People spend time playing with them in lieu of actually tackling real problems.

That said, I think it is crucial for any manager to retain a painful sense of her own ignorance and incompentance: everything that counts is being done by the competent people that work for you.  You should however beat them at overview of the work, knowledge of the larger goals of the organisation and knowledge of everyone&#039;s skills. 

I do not believe that managing academics can be very different from managing any other group of skilled professionals. Managing is not about firing people, that is not the lever you use to get people to perform and in most European companies it is a long an costly process. Managing people involves cheering them on, telling them frankly that behaviour must change, steadfastly defending their interests and having more attention on their growth and development than they have themselves. You can do it without any form of hierarchical power if you can convince those you are managing that what you do is useful. 

If you cannot convince them perhaps you should be otherwise engaged.

The heart of the problem for many academic, health and nonprofit organisations is that people work there mainly because they care about the content. They get promoted from the ranks but would be much, much happier doing X rather than managing the doing of X: it is a different skill set which rarely crops up in the same person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Forgive me, I am new here but I feel a rant coming on.</p>

	<p>I thought there were useful things in Schwartz&#8217;s article, but I hate the &#8220;turn the org chart upside down&#8221; nonsense. Neither employees nor managers ever believe it. If you are telling other people what to do you have power over them. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous at best. I also find org charts to be inaccurate pictures of how power and control is distributed throughout the organisation. People spend time playing with them in lieu of actually tackling real problems.</p>

	<p>That said, I think it is crucial for any manager to retain a painful sense of her own ignorance and incompentance: everything that counts is being done by the competent people that work for you.  You should however beat them at overview of the work, knowledge of the larger goals of the organisation and knowledge of everyone&#8217;s skills.</p>

	<p>I do not believe that managing academics can be very different from managing any other group of skilled professionals. Managing is not about firing people, that is not the lever you use to get people to perform and in most European companies it is a long an costly process. Managing people involves cheering them on, telling them frankly that behaviour must change, steadfastly defending their interests and having more attention on their growth and development than they have themselves. You can do it without any form of hierarchical power if you can convince those you are managing that what you do is useful.</p>

	<p>If you cannot convince them perhaps you should be otherwise engaged.</p>

	<p>The heart of the problem for many academic, health and nonprofit organisations is that people work there mainly because they care about the content. They get promoted from the ranks but would be much, much happier doing X rather than managing the doing of X: it is a different skill set which rarely crops up in the same person.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269293</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>engels (#32): one might think that this is  an advantage of the account rather than a reductio.

engels (#33): I, too, thought that was an unnecessary flourish. The grain of truth might be that if you do it well people don&#039;t especially notice that you do it well (but doing something difficult well is a major source of satisfaction for human beings, which is one reason that distributing education and opportunities for doing difficult things well much more equally is important).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>engels (#32): one might think that this is  an advantage of the account rather than a reductio.</p>

	<p>engels (#33): I, too, thought that was an unnecessary flourish. The grain of truth might be that if you do it well people don&#8217;t especially notice that you do it well (but doing something difficult well is a major source of satisfaction for human beings, which is one reason that distributing education and opportunities for doing difficult things well much more equally is important).</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the closing rhetorical flourish about how managing is such a tough, thankless job that hardly anybody will want to do it seems reminiscent of Plato&#039;s remarks about the onerousness and unattractiveness of philosopher-kinging. I didn&#039;t find Plato&#039;s version of it much more convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, the closing rhetorical flourish about how managing is such a tough, thankless job that hardly anybody will want to do it seems reminiscent of Plato&#8217;s remarks about the onerousness and unattractiveness of philosopher-kinging. I didn&#8217;t find Plato&#8217;s version of it much more convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If managers are the &#039;servants&#039; of workers, as Schwartz suggests in his article, then it seems to follow that workers should have the power to appoint and dismiss them, direct them and set their remuneration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If managers are the &#8216;servants&#8217; of workers, as Schwartz suggests in his article, then it seems to follow that workers should have the power to appoint and dismiss them, direct them and set their remuneration.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic ned</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269278</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryptic ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha!  I never even thought of just removing the www from the URL.  That does appear to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aha!  I never even thought of just removing the www from the <span class="caps">URL</span>.  That does appear to work.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269264</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris  and others -- I don&#039;t know the management system in UK academia well enough to comment exactly, but certainly my experience of it was that it was not very like the context for which aaron is directing is remarks (much more top down, but with the features Henry mentions). Also, Chris, you have had quite a bit of experience, and I&#039;m not so sure that all of aaron&#039;s comments would seem so irrelevant if you were just thrown into the role without any experience or preparation. A good number of aaron&#039;s comments, it seemed to me, were intended to be bleeding obvious because, as you, he, and I all know a lot of what is bleeding obvious is big news to some people. (The points I recommended for principals seem obvious to me, but they are not emphasized in lots of principal courses, and many principals and aspiring principals are magnificently unaware of them -- I&#039;d guess entrepreneurs too).  

rdb&#039;s link was pretty good I thought -- the comment about the stupidity of the idea that you can become a good manager by reading a book that takes 10 minutes is pertinent here. I took aaron&#039;s comments to be material for reflection for someone starting out, and I not only think they&#039;re pretty good for that, but that anything more would have to get very context-specific.

I say all that, having had very little experience as a manager, and not having liked what I&#039;ve had -- but as someone who has watched several managers closely and with a lot of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chris  and others&#8212;I don&#8217;t know the management system in UK academia well enough to comment exactly, but certainly my experience of it was that it was not very like the context for which aaron is directing is remarks (much more top down, but with the features Henry mentions). Also, Chris, you have had quite a bit of experience, and I&#8217;m not so sure that all of aaron&#8217;s comments would seem so irrelevant if you were just thrown into the role without any experience or preparation. A good number of aaron&#8217;s comments, it seemed to me, were intended to be bleeding obvious because, as you, he, and I all know a lot of what is bleeding obvious is big news to some people. (The points I recommended for principals seem obvious to me, but they are not emphasized in lots of principal courses, and many principals and aspiring principals are magnificently unaware of them&#8212;I&#8217;d guess entrepreneurs too).</p>

	<p>rdb&#8217;s link was pretty good I thought&#8212;the comment about the stupidity of the idea that you can become a good manager by reading a book that takes 10 minutes is pertinent here. I took aaron&#8217;s comments to be material for reflection for someone starting out, and I not only think they&#8217;re pretty good for that, but that anything more would have to get very context-specific.</p>

	<p>I say all that, having had very little experience as a manager, and not having liked what I&#8217;ve had&#8212;but as someone who has watched several managers closely and with a lot of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/14/managing/comment-page-1/#comment-269262</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are aware of the technical difficulties and trying to figure out how to fix  them. Our best guess is something weird in the server-side caching. There is a work around which involves clicking on the top post, and then clicking through to the home page again, but obviously it is unsatisfactory. Unfortunately, the technical problem precludes us actually announcing the problem or potential workarounds on the home page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We are aware of the technical difficulties and trying to figure out how to fix  them. Our best guess is something weird in the server-side caching. There is a work around which involves clicking on the top post, and then clicking through to the home page again, but obviously it is unsatisfactory. Unfortunately, the technical problem precludes us actually announcing the problem or potential workarounds on the home page.</p>
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