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		<title>By: Doctor Science</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271294</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaveh:

D&#039;oh!*forehead slap* Yes, &quot;Islamicate&quot; was what I was thinking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kaveh:</p>

	<p>D&#8217;oh!*forehead slap* Yes, &#8220;Islamicate&#8221; was what I was thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271287</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And why did Smith stop teaching that course???&lt;/i&gt;

Good question. As a student/alum, I was furious to hear about this. More Smith alums can say they took that course (and probably loved it) than any other. That said, from the faculty&#039;s perspective, perhaps it was a lot more work than a usual teaching load (granted, I don&#039;t actually know how it counted toward one&#039;s teaching load).  It was by far one of the best courses I took in college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And why did Smith stop teaching that course???</i></p>

	<p>Good question. As a student/alum, I was furious to hear about this. More Smith alums can say they took that course (and probably loved it) than any other. That said, from the faculty&#8217;s perspective, perhaps it was a lot more work than a usual teaching load (granted, I don&#8217;t actually know how it counted toward one&#8217;s teaching load).  It was by far one of the best courses I took in college.</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271165</link>
		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I figured out who the monkey looks like --&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://candorville.com/2006/07/23/washington/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lemont Brown from Candorville&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, I figured out who the monkey looks like&#8212;<a HREF="http://candorville.com/2006/07/23/washington/" rel="nofollow">Lemont Brown from Candorville</a></p>
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		<title>By: mossy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why did Smith stop teaching that course???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And why did Smith stop teaching that course???</p>
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		<title>By: roac</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271132</link>
		<dc:creator>roac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the monkey wearing a cap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why is the monkey wearing a cap?</p>
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		<title>By: Kaveh Hemmat</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271121</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaveh Hemmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Science:

I think you mean &quot;Islamicate&quot;, like &quot;Islamicate art&quot;. &quot;Islamdom&quot; refers to the territory under Islamic rule, just like &quot;Christendom&quot;, I haven&#039;t really heard people use it as in &quot;Art of Islamdom&quot;. For those who don&#039;t know, &quot;Islamicate&quot; refers to stuff of all kinds, including stuff produced by non-Muslims, in a predominantly Muslim cultural context. I don&#039;t see people using &quot;Islamicate&quot; that much, but for some reason &quot;Persianate&quot; (including stuff like Urdu literature, or Tibetan decorative art in an Iranian style) has caught on. But I think you can just read &quot;Islamic&quot; in cases like this museum as meaning &quot;Islamicate&quot;.

The book looks like something from the Timurid or early Safavid periods, say, 1400 - 1600.

And I second your recommendation, Hodgson&#039;s books are a truly excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dr Science:</p>

	<p>I think you mean &#8220;Islamicate&#8221;, like &#8220;Islamicate art&#8221;. &#8220;Islamdom&#8221; refers to the territory under Islamic rule, just like &#8220;Christendom&#8221;, I haven&#8217;t really heard people use it as in &#8220;Art of Islamdom&#8221;. For those who don&#8217;t know, &#8220;Islamicate&#8221; refers to stuff of all kinds, including stuff produced by non-Muslims, in a predominantly Muslim cultural context. I don&#8217;t see people using &#8220;Islamicate&#8221; that much, but for some reason &#8220;Persianate&#8221; (including stuff like Urdu literature, or Tibetan decorative art in an Iranian style) has caught on. But I think you can just read &#8220;Islamic&#8221; in cases like this museum as meaning &#8220;Islamicate&#8221;.</p>

	<p>The book looks like something from the Timurid or early Safavid periods, say, 1400 &#8211; 1600.</p>

	<p>And I second your recommendation, Hodgson&#8217;s books are a truly excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Science</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271081</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Meredith:

I think the word they were looking for is &quot;Islamdom&quot;, which Marshall Hodgson uses in the magisterial &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Venture-Islam-Classical-Age/dp/0226346838&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Venture of Islam&lt;/a&gt;, to describe a broad culture, united by religion but not defined completely by it -- by analogy with &quot;Christendom&quot;, of course. I cannot recommend Hodgson&#039;s books too highly: they give not merely a history of Islamdom, but an *understanding*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John Meredith:</p>

	<p>I think the word they were looking for is &#8220;Islamdom&#8221;, which Marshall Hodgson uses in the magisterial <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Venture-Islam-Classical-Age/dp/0226346838" rel="nofollow">The Venture of Islam</a>, to describe a broad culture, united by religion but not defined completely by it&#8212;by analogy with &#8220;Christendom&#8221;, of course. I cannot recommend Hodgson&#8217;s books too highly: they give not merely a history of Islamdom, but an <strong>understanding</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter Hargittai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eszter Hargittai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mollymooly, I&#039;m pretty sure back then - mid 90s and earlier - all other art classes were in the 200s or higher. This was a special course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mollymooly, I&#8217;m pretty sure back then &#8211; mid 90s and earlier &#8211; all other art classes were in the 200s or higher. This was a special course.</p>
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		<title>By: mollymooly</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271060</link>
		<dc:creator>mollymooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is &quot;Art 100&quot; meant to precede &quot;Art 101&quot;, or is that a Smith convention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is &#8220;Art 100&#8221; meant to precede &#8220;Art 101&#8221;, or is that a Smith convention?</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter Hargittai</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-271026</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter Hargittai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LFC, indeed, Smith College. The course was taught by the entire art history faculty, everyone teaching his/her area of specialty, which is partly what made it so great. 

P.D., thanks, I thought the mix of the arches with the contemporary skyscrapers in the background coupled with the folks up front worked out well.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">LFC</span>, indeed, Smith College. The course was taught by the entire art history faculty, everyone teaching his/her area of specialty, which is partly what made it so great.</p>

	<p>P.D., thanks, I thought the mix of the arches with the contemporary skyscrapers in the background coupled with the folks up front worked out well.:)</p>
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		<title>By: P.D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Arches&quot; is a really beautiful photograph. Great composition. It took me a moment to realize that it was a photo of an actual scene, rather than a photo of a contemporary painting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Arches&#8221; is a really beautiful photograph. Great composition. It took me a moment to realize that it was a photo of an actual scene, rather than a photo of a contemporary painting.</p>
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		<title>By: John Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pity about the &#039;Islamic art&#039; designation, though. A lot of these pieces seem to me to have little to do with Islam except they awere made in Islamic countries, possibly by Muslims.  The Koran is beautiful, of course, but it feels like Islam is largely present here by what it excludes rather than what it creates. Beautiful building tho but.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s a pity about the &#8216;Islamic art&#8217; designation, though. A lot of these pieces seem to me to have little to do with Islam except they awere made in Islamic countries, possibly by Muslims.  The Koran is beautiful, of course, but it feels like Islam is largely present here by what it excludes rather than what it creates. Beautiful building tho but.</p>
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		<title>By: Randolph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks--I love these.  BTW, the museum designers were I.M. Pei, architect, and Jean-Michelle Wilmotte, interiors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks&#8212;I love these.  <span class="caps">BTW</span>, the museum designers were I.M. Pei, architect, and Jean-Michelle Wilmotte, interiors.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-270982</link>
		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized after writing the above that you must have meant Smith College. Tired -- sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I realized after writing the above that you must have meant Smith College. Tired&#8212;sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: LFC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/03/29/islamic-art/comment-page-1/#comment-270979</link>
		<dc:creator>LFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Smith&#039;s famous Art 100&quot;
For those of us too lazy to look up your c.v. and not up on our art historians, who is/was Smith and where does/did he or she teach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Smith&#8217;s famous Art 100&#8221;<br />
For those of us too lazy to look up your c.v. and not up on our art historians, who is/was Smith and where does/did he or she teach?</p>
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