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		<title>By: Old-Timer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273195</link>
		<dc:creator>Old-Timer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Marc @47:
Another idea (besides Witch) is to stop using cmd-M.  If instead you use cmd-H (hide) the application will vanish.  However, when you tab to it the hidden windows re-appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To Marc @47:<br />
Another idea (besides Witch) is to stop using cmd-M.  If instead you use cmd-H (hide) the application will vanish.  However, when you tab to it the hidden windows re-appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273173</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JulesLt 04.21.09 at 1:46 am

&quot;As for Slocum’s posts – I found the first one funny, and more gentle teasing, rather than insulting. It’s a fair enough observation, and I’m sure it actually applies to most things bought by anyone on the Left earning over the average wage, right down to organic or Fair Trade food, or cultural consumption.&quot;
It&#039;s common, but it&#039;s rather falacious - in the discussion on inequality, Henry was not trying to introduce New American Socialist Man, with everybody earning the same amount of money and wearing the same fatigues.  Nobody was.  The issue was how large a share of the GDP does a very small minority get.   The analogy would be if Henry was against meth or crack, and Slocum was ragging on him for talking about a nice new brand of wine he&#039;d found, under the grounds that they&#039;re all intoxicants.  

&quot; Ironically, the only way to escape that accusation is probably to shop only in Walmart, etc.&quot;

At which point one is open to accusations of being driven by the lowest price, so how does one criticize Wal-Mart for providing the lowest priced goods?

In the end, it was all a pile of BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JulesLt 04.21.09 at 1:46 am</p>

	<p>&#8220;As for Slocum&#8217;s posts &#8211; I found the first one funny, and more gentle teasing, rather than insulting. It&#8217;s a fair enough observation, and I&#8217;m sure it actually applies to most things bought by anyone on the Left earning over the average wage, right down to organic or Fair Trade food, or cultural consumption.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s common, but it&#8217;s rather falacious &#8211; in the discussion on inequality, Henry was not trying to introduce New American Socialist Man, with everybody earning the same amount of money and wearing the same fatigues.  Nobody was.  The issue was how large a share of the <span class="caps">GDP</span> does a very small minority get.   The analogy would be if Henry was against meth or crack, and Slocum was ragging on him for talking about a nice new brand of wine he&#8217;d found, under the grounds that they&#8217;re all intoxicants.</p>

	<p>&#8221; Ironically, the only way to escape that accusation is probably to shop only in Walmart, etc.&#8221;</p>

	<p>At which point one is open to accusations of being driven by the lowest price, so how does one criticize Wal-Mart for providing the lowest priced goods?</p>

	<p>In the end, it was all a pile of BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273138</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc Leduc, #47: &lt;em&gt;&quot; The single most annoying habit I can’t seem to fix is when I minimze a window (cmd-M) to the dock. Usually I am temporarily switching to another application or to Finder. Then, when I cmd-tab back to the minimized software, the program opens but the main window stays on the dock. Even if I cmd-`, the window is accessible only with the mouse. Is there something obvious I missed or a hack/utility that can let me bring a window back using the keyboard?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

No, you haven&#039;t missed anything obvious, and yes, there is a fix.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.manytricks.com/witch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Witch&lt;/a&gt; is a $9.95 &quot;System Preferences&quot; pane, the main purpose of which is to provide a more powerful alternative to the business of switching between open programs with Cmd-Tab.  On my Witch-equipped system, when I hit Alt-Tab, I get a list in the middle of my screen of, not open programs, but rather of open &lt;em&gt;windows&lt;/em&gt;, which is much more useful in my view. Here&#039;s how it solves your problem: if a window is open but minimized to the Dock, Alt-Tabbing to it with Witch will re-open it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Marc Leduc, #47: <em>&#8221; The single most annoying habit I can&#8217;t seem to fix is when I minimze a window (cmd-M) to the dock. Usually I am temporarily switching to another application or to Finder. Then, when I cmd-tab back to the minimized software, the program opens but the main window stays on the dock. Even if I cmd-`, the window is accessible only with the mouse. Is there something obvious I missed or a hack/utility that can let me bring a window back using the keyboard?&#8221;</em></p>

	<p>No, you haven&#8217;t missed anything obvious, and yes, there is a fix.  <a href="http://www.manytricks.com/witch/" rel="nofollow">Witch</a> is a $9.95 &#8220;System Preferences&#8221; pane, the main purpose of which is to provide a more powerful alternative to the business of switching between open programs with Cmd-Tab.  On my Witch-equipped system, when I hit Alt-Tab, I get a list in the middle of my screen of, not open programs, but rather of open <em>windows</em>, which is much more useful in my view. Here&#8217;s how it solves your problem: if a window is open but minimized to the Dock, Alt-Tabbing to it with Witch will re-open it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273135</link>
		<dc:creator>Karn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a classic case.
&quot;If you go Mac, you never go back&quot;

Having LiquidCD for free CD and DVD burner software will be a lot helpful when you want to burn data CD or DVD.

Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is a classic case.<br />
&#8220;If you go Mac, you never go back&#8221;</p>

	<p>Having LiquidCD for free CD and <span class="caps">DVD</span> burner software will be a lot helpful when you want to burn data CD or <span class="caps">DVD</span>.</p>

	<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273099</link>
		<dc:creator>JulesLt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utilities--&gt; Grapher is interesting

Most of the other apps I&#039;d recommend have been covered, but I&#039;ve found OmniGraphSketcher to be useful lately for creating diagrams than neither OmniGraffle or Vector Art programs produce easily.

As for Slocum&#039;s posts - I found the first one funny, and more gentle teasing, rather than insulting. It&#039;s a fair enough observation, and I&#039;m sure it actually applies to most things bought by anyone on the Left earning over the average wage, right down to organic or Fair Trade food, or cultural consumption. Ironically, the only way to escape that accusation is probably to shop only in Walmart, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Utilities&#8212;> Grapher is interesting</p>

	<p>Most of the other apps I&#8217;d recommend have been covered, but I&#8217;ve found OmniGraphSketcher to be useful lately for creating diagrams than neither OmniGraffle or Vector Art programs produce easily.</p>

	<p>As for Slocum&#8217;s posts &#8211; I found the first one funny, and more gentle teasing, rather than insulting. It&#8217;s a fair enough observation, and I&#8217;m sure it actually applies to most things bought by anyone on the Left earning over the average wage, right down to organic or Fair Trade food, or cultural consumption. Ironically, the only way to escape that accusation is probably to shop only in Walmart, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Not GA Cohen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273098</link>
		<dc:creator>Not GA Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter threadjacking…&lt;em&gt;If you&#039;re an egalitarian, how come you&#039;re so rich?&lt;/em&gt;


Sorry, I thought I could hold it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Shorter threadjacking&#8230;<em>If you&#8217;re an egalitarian, how come you&#8217;re so rich?</em></p>


	<p>Sorry, I thought I could hold it in.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkUp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273096</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;Positional goods are products and services whose value is mostly (if not exclusively) a function of their ranking in desirability, in comparison to substitutes.&#039;&#039;

I wished I &lt;strike&gt;coulda had&lt;/strike&gt; could have a V8 instead of tomato paste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;&#8217;Positional goods are products and services whose value is mostly (if not exclusively) a function of their ranking in desirability, in comparison to substitutes.&#8217;&#8217;</p>

	<p>I wished I <strike>coulda had</strike> could have a V8 instead of tomato paste.</p>
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		<title>By: Righteous Bubba</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273085</link>
		<dc:creator>Righteous Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought your jokingly expressed feelings of matrimony suggested something other than pure pragmatism. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Where on the appreciation scale should my vice-grip fit?  I really like it because it&#039;s useful in a lot of circumstances, but, you know, should I like it less because I can go out and buy another with pocket change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I thought your jokingly expressed feelings of matrimony suggested something other than pure pragmatism. </blockquote>Where on the appreciation scale should my vice-grip fit?  I really like it because it&#8217;s useful in a lot of circumstances, but, you know, should I like it less because I can go out and buy another with pocket change?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273084</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You appear to have overlooked the next few sentences in the article, which got at Hirsch&#039;s argument rather more clearly.

&quot;The measure of satisfaction derived from a positional good depends on how much one has in relation to everyone else. Competitions for positional goods are zero-sum games because such goods are inherently scarce, at least in the short run. Attempts to acquire them can only benefit one player at the expense of others. By definition, every person cannot be the most popular, cool, or elite, in the same way that every person cannot be a star athlete – all of those terms imply a separation or superiority over other people.&quot;

And I find your denial that the accepted definition of positional good actually means something very different from what your argument requires it to mean, to be, well, disappointing in that it seems like  a denial of the blatantly obvious.

And indeed people are not always aware of their motivations for doing things. But you have neither evidence nor any actual argument that my motives were what you suggested them to be rather than what I stated. In other words, my sekrit desire to humiliate grad students by flaunting my computer at em has &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; the same degree of evidentiary support as your pathological need to argue with lefties because of your series of humiliating romantic fiascos with liberals of various descriptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You appear to have overlooked the next few sentences in the article, which got at Hirsch&#8217;s argument rather more clearly.</p>

	<p>&#8220;The measure of satisfaction derived from a positional good depends on how much one has in relation to everyone else. Competitions for positional goods are zero-sum games because such goods are inherently scarce, at least in the short run. Attempts to acquire them can only benefit one player at the expense of others. By definition, every person cannot be the most popular, cool, or elite, in the same way that every person cannot be a star athlete &#8211; all of those terms imply a separation or superiority over other people.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And I find your denial that the accepted definition of positional good actually means something very different from what your argument requires it to mean, to be, well, disappointing in that it seems like  a denial of the blatantly obvious.</p>

	<p>And indeed people are not always aware of their motivations for doing things. But you have neither evidence nor any actual argument that my motives were what you suggested them to be rather than what I stated. In other words, my sekrit desire to humiliate grad students by flaunting my computer at em has <em>exactly</em> the same degree of evidentiary support as your pathological need to argue with lefties because of your series of humiliating romantic fiascos with liberals of various descriptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273083</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And as wikipedia and several other links that I have kindly googled for you note, a positional good (as defined in Fred Hirsch’s book, where the argument about positional goods was first articulated), is one whose value to its owner primarily or entirely rests on the fact that other people can’t have it.&lt;/i&gt;

But that&#039;s not quite right -- Here&#039;s sentence number one from the Wiki article:

&lt;i&gt;Positional goods are products and services whose value is mostly (if not exclusively) a function of their ranking in desirability, in comparison to substitutes.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, it&#039;s always a matter of degree to what extent the value of a product is a function of it&#039;s position in the status hierarchy of like products.  And that varies from person to person and situation to situation.  

&lt;i&gt;If you could have pointed to any evidence whatsoever in my post that this was why I valued the laptop.&lt;/i&gt;

I thought your jokingly expressed feelings of matrimony suggested something other than pure pragmatism.  But the point is that even if a $2500 Mac Laptop is not a positional good for &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; -- it is perceived that way by many people (who own but don&#039;t need them or who want but can&#039;t afford them).  That this is common knowledge is pretty obvious in the humor of the Simpson&#039;s clip.  I find your denial that a $2500 laptop could be considered a positional good in any way, shape, form, or situation to be, well, disappointing in that it seems like a denial of the blatantly obvious.

And are people always fully aware of their motivations for buying things?  Do they never engage in self-deception when explaining to themselves why they &#039;need&#039; something that they want for emotional reasons -- which reasons may be related to status?  I try to avoid deceiving myself that way, but I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not entirely successful.

&lt;i&gt;...you are quite right in suggesting that you won’t be missed if you take yourself to other parts.&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t say an exchange like this raises my blood pressure exactly, but I do find it intruding when I ought to be focusing on other things.  So yeah -- let&#039;s call it a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>And as wikipedia and several other links that I have kindly googled for you note, a positional good (as defined in Fred Hirsch&#8217;s book, where the argument about positional goods was first articulated), is one whose value to its owner primarily or entirely rests on the fact that other people can&#8217;t have it.</i></p>

	<p>But that&#8217;s not quite right&#8212;Here&#8217;s sentence number one from the Wiki article:</p>

	<p><i>Positional goods are products and services whose value is mostly (if not exclusively) a function of their ranking in desirability, in comparison to substitutes.</i></p>

	<p>Of course, it&#8217;s always a matter of degree to what extent the value of a product is a function of it&#8217;s position in the status hierarchy of like products.  And that varies from person to person and situation to situation.</p>

	<p><i>If you could have pointed to any evidence whatsoever in my post that this was why I valued the laptop.</i></p>

	<p>I thought your jokingly expressed feelings of matrimony suggested something other than pure pragmatism.  But the point is that even if a $2500 Mac Laptop is not a positional good for <i>you</i>&#8212;it is perceived that way by many people (who own but don&#8217;t need them or who want but can&#8217;t afford them).  That this is common knowledge is pretty obvious in the humor of the Simpson&#8217;s clip.  I find your denial that a $2500 laptop could be considered a positional good in any way, shape, form, or situation to be, well, disappointing in that it seems like a denial of the blatantly obvious.</p>

	<p>And are people always fully aware of their motivations for buying things?  Do they never engage in self-deception when explaining to themselves why they &#8216;need&#8217; something that they want for emotional reasons&#8212;which reasons may be related to status?  I try to avoid deceiving myself that way, but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not entirely successful.</p>

	<p><i>&#8230;you are quite right in suggesting that you won&#8217;t be missed if you take yourself to other parts.</i></p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t say an exchange like this raises my blood pressure exactly, but I do find it intruding when I ought to be focusing on other things.  So yeah&#8212;let&#8217;s call it a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-3/#comment-273060</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slocum - you didn&#039;t come into this with an argument - you came into this with a personal attack on me. And one which was based on no evidence whatsoever, and which instead seemed to be motivated by your annoyance with a friend who had his university buy him a laptop that you felt was more powerful than he needed. And as wikipedia and several other links that I have kindly googled for you note, a positional good (as defined in Fred Hirsch&#039;s book, where the argument about positional goods was first articulated), is one whose value to its owner primarily or entirely rests on the fact that other people can&#039;t have it. If you could have pointed to _any evidence whatsoever_ in my post that this was why I valued the laptop, you might have had an argument. But you didn&#039;t. Since the rest of your &#039;contribution&#039; to this thread consists of specious redefinitions of the term positional good to dig yourself out of the pit that you have dug for yourself, repeated insinuations of bad faith on my part, and concerted refusal to acknowledge in any way, shape or form that large numbers of people seem to like MacBook Pros not because they can make their neighbours jealous, but because they find them good tools to work with, you are quite right in suggesting that you won&#039;t be missed if you take yourself to other parts. On the evidence of this discussion, we won&#039;t be missing much at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Slocum &#8211; you didn&#8217;t come into this with an argument &#8211; you came into this with a personal attack on me. And one which was based on no evidence whatsoever, and which instead seemed to be motivated by your annoyance with a friend who had his university buy him a laptop that you felt was more powerful than he needed. And as wikipedia and several other links that I have kindly googled for you note, a positional good (as defined in Fred Hirsch&#8217;s book, where the argument about positional goods was first articulated), is one whose value to its owner primarily or entirely rests on the fact that other people can&#8217;t have it. If you could have pointed to <em>any evidence whatsoever</em> in my post that this was why I valued the laptop, you might have had an argument. But you didn&#8217;t. Since the rest of your &#8216;contribution&#8217; to this thread consists of specious redefinitions of the term positional good to dig yourself out of the pit that you have dug for yourself, repeated insinuations of bad faith on my part, and concerted refusal to acknowledge in any way, shape or form that large numbers of people seem to like MacBook Pros not because they can make their neighbours jealous, but because they find them good tools to work with, you are quite right in suggesting that you won&#8217;t be missed if you take yourself to other parts. On the evidence of this discussion, we won&#8217;t be missing much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-2/#comment-273051</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple doesn&#039;t compete in all segments of the market. It&#039;s as simple as that, really. If you do head-to-head/feature-to-feature comparisons, Apple is generally competitive, even without considering stuff like build quality, customer support and the OS. But you will always be able to find cheaper computers, and also always find cheaper build-to-order hardware with some particular combination of features that better suits your specific needs, while leaving other things out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apple doesn&#8217;t compete in all segments of the market. It&#8217;s as simple as that, really. If you do head-to-head/feature-to-feature comparisons, Apple is generally competitive, even without considering stuff like build quality, customer support and the OS. But you will always be able to find cheaper computers, and also always find cheaper build-to-order hardware with some particular combination of features that better suits your specific needs, while leaving other things out.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/switch-and-bait/comment-page-2/#comment-273050</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On positional goods, let me Google that for you.&lt;/i&gt;

You might specify exactly what I had to say about positional goods lead you to believe that I was wholly unfamiliar with the concept.  You&#039;ll note that on that topic, I am making arguments and posting references, whereas you are just tossing off insults.  OK -- fine -- you&#039;ve done that.  And now given that you&#039;ve taken the trouble to respond a few times, you might take a little trouble to explain.

&lt;i&gt;please don’t expect to be able to play the wounded innocent who was only interested in encouraging substantive conversation downthread and expect to get away with it.&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s put it this way -- to most posters here who are of the left, CT is friendly environment.  For a libertarian, it is not.  Somebody once said that when flying low cost airlines, that you need to make sure you&#039;ve got your body armor.  Same goes here.  Abuse is expected -- that&#039;s just the price of engaging in debate on left leaning sites.  But I still do it because I do find the exchange interesting.  Well, sometimes, anyway.  And of the left-leaning sites I know, CT is the most civil by a pretty fair margin--on the others, it&#039;s not even worth bothering.  

Now you might say that it&#039;s just me -- could be -- but I don&#039;t know of any others of a libertarian persuasion who post in the comments and don&#039;t run into the same thing.  No, I&#039;m not saying I&#039;m a &#039;wounded innocent&#039;, I&#039;m saying I expect it to be rough around here.  So I generally ignore the insults and try to have a bit of debate in the midst.  And sometimes it works.  Eventually, I suppose, it won&#039;t seem worth it and I&#039;ll wander off for the duration (or one of you will save me the trouble and ban me).  And no, obviously I won&#039;t expect any tears to be shed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>On positional goods, let me Google that for you.</i></p>

	<p>You might specify exactly what I had to say about positional goods lead you to believe that I was wholly unfamiliar with the concept.  You&#8217;ll note that on that topic, I am making arguments and posting references, whereas you are just tossing off insults.  <span class="caps">OK </span>&#8212;fine&#8212;you&#8217;ve done that.  And now given that you&#8217;ve taken the trouble to respond a few times, you might take a little trouble to explain.</p>

	<p><i>please don&#8217;t expect to be able to play the wounded innocent who was only interested in encouraging substantive conversation downthread and expect to get away with it.</i></p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s put it this way&#8212;to most posters here who are of the left, CT is friendly environment.  For a libertarian, it is not.  Somebody once said that when flying low cost airlines, that you need to make sure you&#8217;ve got your body armor.  Same goes here.  Abuse is expected&#8212;that&#8217;s just the price of engaging in debate on left leaning sites.  But I still do it because I do find the exchange interesting.  Well, sometimes, anyway.  And of the left-leaning sites I know, CT is the most civil by a pretty fair margin&#8212;on the others, it&#8217;s not even worth bothering.</p>

	<p>Now you might say that it&#8217;s just me&#8212;could be&#8212;but I don&#8217;t know of any others of a libertarian persuasion who post in the comments and don&#8217;t run into the same thing.  No, I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m a &#8216;wounded innocent&#8217;, I&#8217;m saying I expect it to be rough around here.  So I generally ignore the insults and try to have a bit of debate in the midst.  And sometimes it works.  Eventually, I suppose, it won&#8217;t seem worth it and I&#8217;ll wander off for the duration (or one of you will save me the trouble and ban me).  And no, obviously I won&#8217;t expect any tears to be shed.</p>
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		<title>By: watson aname</title>
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		<dc:creator>watson aname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fair point, Henry.  Apple doesn&#039;t have anything equivalent to dial-a-Dell going on.  I&#039;m not sure how often this is actually an issue, but I can see someone wishing for a machine somewhere between a macbook and a macbook pro or whatever, and having no option.

ppm:
&lt;i&gt;Skim as a pdf viewer. Much better than Adobe&lt;/i&gt;

What do you need from Skim that preview doesn&#039;t do, these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s a fair point, Henry.  Apple doesn&#8217;t have anything equivalent to dial-a-Dell going on.  I&#8217;m not sure how often this is actually an issue, but I can see someone wishing for a machine somewhere between a macbook and a macbook pro or whatever, and having no option.</p>

	<p>ppm:<br />
<i>Skim as a pdf viewer. Much better than Adobe</i></p>

	<p>What do you need from Skim that preview doesn&#8217;t do, these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one place where there is a sort-of issue here though is that Apple while broadly comparable on price to laptops with similar features does a bit more bundling than the average PC laptop. That is, if you want a machine with as much memory and processor power as a MacBook Pro, but don&#039;t want to pay for the aluminum casing, you can likely find something in the PC world, but are obviously out of luck if you want a Mac. So if you want some nicer features, you will get a bunch of other nicer features bundled in too, like it or not - for obvious reasons, there is not the same degree of separability of choices as there would be if you had lots of different manufacturers building for the Apple OS. You can obviously make a case that this is justifiable over all, given the superior hardware/OS integration and all of that, but it is a trade-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The one place where there is a sort-of issue here though is that Apple while broadly comparable on price to laptops with similar features does a bit more bundling than the average PC laptop. That is, if you want a machine with as much memory and processor power as a MacBook Pro, but don&#8217;t want to pay for the aluminum casing, you can likely find something in the PC world, but are obviously out of luck if you want a Mac. So if you want some nicer features, you will get a bunch of other nicer features bundled in too, like it or not &#8211; for obvious reasons, there is not the same degree of separability of choices as there would be if you had lots of different manufacturers building for the Apple OS. You can obviously make a case that this is justifiable over all, given the superior hardware/OS integration and all of that, but it is a trade-off.</p>
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