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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273933</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the prospect of a paperback edition depends on the hardback (400 copies) selling out. If you know any librarians (or eccentric millionaires)...</description>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273928</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Phil for the summary - look forward to reading the book (although I hope that they come out with a paperback - sixty quid plus transatlantic shipping fees is steep). On Negri - one of the odder things I discovered when I was in Florence was that he was matey with Gianfranco Poggi, one of my professors, and a conservativish old-Christian Democrat intellectual. It turned out that they had both been sent to the same left-of-center-Christian youth camps when they were boys ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Phil for the summary &#8211; look forward to reading the book (although I hope that they come out with a paperback &#8211; sixty quid plus transatlantic shipping fees is steep). On Negri &#8211; one of the odder things I discovered when I was in Florence was that he was matey with Gianfranco Poggi, one of my professors, and a conservativish old-Christian Democrat intellectual. It turned out that they had both been sent to the same left-of-center-Christian youth camps when they were boys &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273925</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anyone seen “Il Divo” by the way? Any good?&lt;/em&gt;

Seen and &lt;a href=&quot;http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/anything-that-thinks-logically-can-be-fooled-by-anything-that-thinks-at-least-as-logically/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reviewed&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Anyone seen &#8220;Il Divo&#8221; by the way? Any good?</em></p>

	<p>Seen and <a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/anything-that-thinks-logically-can-be-fooled-by-anything-that-thinks-at-least-as-logically/" rel="nofollow">reviewed</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Preachy Preach</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273913</link>
		<dc:creator>Preachy Preach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bert&gt; When your firm&#039;s general counsel has a copy of it on his desk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bert> When your firm&#8217;s general counsel has a copy of it on his desk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273912</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(On the eastern bloc, Misha Glenny&#039;s latest, &quot;McMafia&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(On the eastern bloc, Misha Glenny&#8217;s latest, &#8220;McMafia&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273911</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought there was something distinctively Italian going on in their approach to politics. Recently contrived national institutions prone to capture. Democracy chanelled into self-sustaining patronage networks. Strong organised crime. Cold War context. And there&#039;s the role-model of classical Rome still radioactively ticking away in the background. All in all a rich medium for corruption.

Arguably, postwar Japan showed a similar pattern (Christian Democrat/Cosa Nostra = LDP/Yakuza), with American great power interests nudging things along in a similar direction. But the Japanese have the added element of deference and hierarchy that the Italians don&#039;t have. In its place they have something else. From what I remember, Tobias Jones had a go at generalising it (&quot;furbismo&quot;, etc ...), and did a decent enough job - but I guess that part the core of what Phil objects to as orientalism.

Anyone seen &quot;Il Divo&quot; by the way? Any good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I always thought there was something distinctively Italian going on in their approach to politics. Recently contrived national institutions prone to capture. Democracy chanelled into self-sustaining patronage networks. Strong organised crime. Cold War context. And there&#8217;s the role-model of classical Rome still radioactively ticking away in the background. All in all a rich medium for corruption.</p>

	<p>Arguably, postwar Japan showed a similar pattern (Christian Democrat/Cosa Nostra = <span class="caps">LDP</span>/Yakuza), with American great power interests nudging things along in a similar direction. But the Japanese have the added element of deference and hierarchy that the Italians don&#8217;t have. In its place they have something else. From what I remember, Tobias Jones had a go at generalising it (&#8220;furbismo&#8221;, etc &#8230;), and did a decent enough job &#8211; but I guess that part the core of what Phil objects to as orientalism.</p>

	<p>Anyone seen &#8220;Il Divo&#8221; by the way? Any good?</p>
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		<title>By: Preachy Preach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preachy Preach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purely anecdotally, over the past year or so, I&#039;ve started doing a lot of work involving the former Eastern Bloc. Some of the discussions I&#039;ve had have been something of an eyeopener...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Purely anecdotally, over the past year or so, I&#8217;ve started doing a lot of work involving the former Eastern Bloc. Some of the discussions I&#8217;ve had have been something of an eyeopener&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or alternatively, all modern states have this level of conspiratorial shadiness built into them, but only in Italy do the mass of the population understand this, and act accordingly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or alternatively, all modern states have this level of conspiratorial shadiness built into them, but only in Italy do the mass of the population understand this, and act accordingly?</p>
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		<title>By: magistra</title>
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		<dc:creator>magistra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The interesting thing to me is how the example of Italy should cause you to update your Bayesian priors&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d go for Italy as unusually corrupt. We have good historical evidence that countries can change in their levels of corruption: whatever you may say about British politica and society now, it it much less corrupt than the eighteenth century (or contemporary Kenya, for example). On the other hand, it&#039;s not clear that there&#039;s been much change in the ability of governments etc at keeping things secret, unless they make extraordinary efforts at repression (e.g. some of the efforts in WW2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The interesting thing to me is how the example of Italy should cause you to update your Bayesian priors</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;d go for Italy as unusually corrupt. We have good historical evidence that countries can change in their levels of corruption: whatever you may say about British politica and society now, it it much less corrupt than the eighteenth century (or contemporary Kenya, for example). On the other hand, it&#8217;s not clear that there&#8217;s been much change in the ability of governments etc at keeping things secret, unless they make extraordinary efforts at repression (e.g. some of the efforts in <span class="caps">WW2</span>).</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thing to me is how the example of Italy should cause you to update your Bayesian priors: is it more likely that all countries are about as good or bad as each other at keeping things secret and Italy is unusually corrupt, or that all countries are about as corrupt at each other and Italy is unusually bad at covering up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The interesting thing to me is how the example of Italy should cause you to update your Bayesian priors: is it more likely that all countries are about as good or bad as each other at keeping things secret and Italy is unusually corrupt, or that all countries are about as corrupt at each other and Italy is unusually bad at covering up?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/27/adventures-in-book-reviewing/comment-page-2/#comment-273888</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;pretty much every political story in every Italian newspaper I’ve looked at seems to read as if it has been excerpted from one of those deep-politics books&lt;/i&gt;

Italian deep politics is &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt;, though. It&#039;s &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; ideological - the lines being drawn have always got some kind of political meaning, however hard it may sometimes be to make out (&quot;ah, so he&#039;s one of those ex-Christian Democrats who were on the more overtly Catholic wing of Moro&#039;s pragmatist tendency, and subsequently lined up with Berlusconi on broadly pro-family and anti-Communist grounds, then broke with Berlusconi on anti-corruption grounds, but refused to merge with that other group of ex-Christian Democrats who had broken with Berlusconi because of their position on Europe&quot;...) And it&#039;s very open - it&#039;s the language they use to talk about politics. 

The really odd thing is that it goes along with very high levels of political participation. There&#039;s a market for books about contemporary politics - not just a Dan Elliott here and a Will Hutton there, but a steady production of mass-market paperbacks analysing what&#039;s happened in the last few years. Election turnouts have historically been in the high 80%s and low 90s; anything below 80% is cause for solemn editorial comment about the decline of Italian society and/or the corruption of Italian politics. Italy has a long tradition of &quot;anti-politics&quot; - populist distrust of &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; the corrupt, hypocritical bastards - but the typical form it takes is turning out in large numbers to vote for the anti-political candidate. It&#039;s as if there were a Ross Perot or a Martin Bell - or both - at every election. (Berlusconi has capitalised on this way of thinking, which is pretty ironic when you think about it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>pretty much every political story in every Italian newspaper I&#8217;ve looked at seems to read as if it has been excerpted from one of those deep-politics books</i></p>

	<p>Italian deep politics is <i>sui generis</i>, though. It&#8217;s <b>very</b> ideological &#8211; the lines being drawn have always got some kind of political meaning, however hard it may sometimes be to make out (&#8220;ah, so he&#8217;s one of those ex-Christian Democrats who were on the more overtly Catholic wing of Moro&#8217;s pragmatist tendency, and subsequently lined up with Berlusconi on broadly pro-family and anti-Communist grounds, then broke with Berlusconi on anti-corruption grounds, but refused to merge with that other group of ex-Christian Democrats who had broken with Berlusconi because of their position on Europe&#8221;&#8230;) And it&#8217;s very open &#8211; it&#8217;s the language they use to talk about politics.</p>

	<p>The really odd thing is that it goes along with very high levels of political participation. There&#8217;s a market for books about contemporary politics &#8211; not just a Dan Elliott here and a Will Hutton there, but a steady production of mass-market paperbacks analysing what&#8217;s happened in the last few years. Election turnouts have historically been in the high 80%s and low 90s; anything below 80% is cause for solemn editorial comment about the decline of Italian society and/or the corruption of Italian politics. Italy has a long tradition of &#8220;anti-politics&#8221; &#8211; populist distrust of <b>all</b> the corrupt, hypocritical bastards &#8211; but the typical form it takes is turning out in large numbers to vote for the anti-political candidate. It&#8217;s as if there were a Ross Perot or a Martin Bell &#8211; or both &#8211; at every election. (Berlusconi has capitalised on this way of thinking, which is pretty ironic when you think about it.)</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, in retrospect &quot;salting it away&quot; was a mistake - I have to drag the thing out every fortnight and the salt gets in the carpets and everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, in retrospect &#8220;salting it away&#8221; was a mistake &#8211; I have to drag the thing out every fortnight and the salt gets in the carpets and everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naples &#039;44 certainly, but I was thinking of &lt;em&gt;The Honoured Society&lt;/em&gt;. Which a friend of mine who I recommended it to tells me is still untranslated after 40-odd years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Naples &#8216;44 certainly, but I was thinking of <em>The Honoured Society</em>. Which a friend of mine who I recommended it to tells me is still untranslated after 40-odd years.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends what you mean by &quot;when&quot;. It&#039;s sunny in Manchester at the moment, but I can foresee a time when it will rain.</description>
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		<title>By: ejh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ejh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;when they decide to get holier-than-thou about someone else’s bad judgement&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;When&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>when they decide to get holier-than-thou about someone else&#8217;s bad judgement</i></p>

	<p>&#8220;When&#8221;?</p>
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