Comments on: Adventures in the quotemines of Oz http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:00:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alex Prior http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274292 Alex Prior Sun, 03 May 2009 14:06:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274292 Allied to quote mining is quote theft. As a publisher, I regularly find that the Oz has stolen a story, not acknowledged the original source of the breaking news, and then lifted unique and recognisable individual quotes from our journalists' interviews with key players and integrated them into their own take on the story. And then there's sticking bylines on Telstra media releases. A fine, venerable publication indeed. Allied to quote mining is quote theft. As a publisher, I regularly find that the Oz has stolen a story, not acknowledged the original source of the breaking news, and then lifted unique and recognisable individual quotes from our journalists’ interviews with key players and integrated them into their own take on the story. And then there’s sticking bylines on Telstra media releases. A fine, venerable publication indeed.

]]> By: John Quiggin http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274250 John Quiggin Sat, 02 May 2009 06:38:39 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274250 If the cap fits, adroit... The political right has been pushing conspiracy theories to explain the scientific consensus on this subject for nearly 20 years - from <i>The Greenhouse Conspiracy</i> back around 1990 to <i>The Great Global Warming Swindle</i> a year or two ago. If the cap fits, adroit… The political right has been pushing conspiracy theories to explain the scientific consensus on this subject for nearly 20 years – from The Greenhouse Conspiracy back around 1990 to The Great Global Warming Swindle a year or two ago.

]]> By: adroit kernel http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274222 adroit kernel Fri, 01 May 2009 16:32:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274222 The actual quote is even worse than the abused cut'n'paste. Smearing people with "conspiracy theory" is reprehensible in the extreme, on multiple grounds. The actual quote is even worse than the abused cut’n’paste. Smearing people with “conspiracy theory” is reprehensible in the extreme, on multiple grounds.

]]> By: rea http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274190 rea Fri, 01 May 2009 13:27:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274190 <i>Surely that is taking it to such an obvious level they are opening themselves up to legal challenge?</i> I don't know the Australian law, but in many US jurisdictions, this would be actionable (false light publicity/invasion of privacy). Surely that is taking it to such an obvious level they are opening themselves up to legal challenge?

I don’t know the Australian law, but in many US jurisdictions, this would be actionable (false light publicity/invasion of privacy).

]]> By: Neil http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274189 Neil Fri, 01 May 2009 12:58:35 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274189 Bloix, A & L Daily is still at it. Not just climate denialism, but the full range of republican talking points. Dutton links to everything by non entities like Roger Kimball. But it is still a good site to check out: just think before you click. Bloix, A & L Daily is still at it. Not just climate denialism, but the full range of republican talking points. Dutton links to everything by non entities like Roger Kimball. But it is still a good site to check out: just think before you click.

]]> By: Bloix http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274103 Bloix Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:02:20 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274103 Years ago I used to read Arts and Letters Daily, a NZ production, until the climate denialism got too much for me. (Nature and Science in a conspiracy to suppress the Daily Telegraph!) Can anyone tell me if they're still at it? Years ago I used to read Arts and Letters Daily, a NZ production, until the climate denialism got too much for me. (Nature and Science in a conspiracy to suppress the Daily Telegraph!) Can anyone tell me if they’re still at it?

]]> By: Rich Puchalsky http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274075 Rich Puchalsky Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:15:52 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274075 Kieran and engels are not quite perfect as parody quote-miners: the real denialists don't use "..." but instead just join sentence fragments together with no indication that anything was cut out. Kieran and engels are not quite perfect as parody quote-miners: the real denialists don’t use “…” but instead just join sentence fragments together with no indication that anything was cut out.

]]> By: engels http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274073 engels Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:03:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274073 Last week... I was surprised, to put it mildly, to find myself... on the verge of... jumping on... Janet Albrechtsen after... a large dose of... e... which AFR dispensed... Last week… I was surprised, to put it mildly, to find myself… on the verge of… jumping on… Janet Albrechtsen after… a large dose of… e… which AFR dispensed…

]]> By: Barry http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274071 Barry Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:47:47 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274071 Quote mining was pioneered by creationists; it's probably heavily used in all junk sciences. Quote mining was pioneered by creationists; it’s probably heavily used in all junk sciences.

]]> By: Tracy W http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274066 Tracy W Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:22:49 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274066 Gosh, that's an amazing misquote. I thought I'd been misbitten in the past, but that's a whopper. Gosh, that’s an amazing misquote. I thought I’d been misbitten in the past, but that’s a whopper.

]]> By: Stuart http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274061 Stuart Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:14:22 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274061 Surely that is taking it to such an obvious level they are opening themselves up to legal challenge? It is not really as if your original statement is confusing or nuanced so that some confusion might be had over your opinion, so it would seem to be pretty clear they are doing nothing other than pure misrepresentation of your statement. Surely that is taking it to such an obvious level they are opening themselves up to legal challenge? It is not really as if your original statement is confusing or nuanced so that some confusion might be had over your opinion, so it would seem to be pretty clear they are doing nothing other than pure misrepresentation of your statement.

]]> By: dave http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274058 dave Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:05:00 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274058 banned commenter banned commenter

]]> By: stostosto http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274057 stostosto Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:33:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274057 stostosto is wondering why John Quiggin refers to himself in the third person. stostosto is wondering why John Quiggin refers to himself in the third person.

]]> By: mcd http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274047 mcd Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:40:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274047 Next up: Someone purporting to be John Quiggin has demanded we correct a quote attributed to him by us. Quiggin has assured us (in writing) that "Quiggin does not hold this view". Next up:

Someone purporting to be John Quiggin has demanded we correct a quote attributed to him by us. Quiggin has assured us (in writing) that “Quiggin does not hold this view”.

]]> By: Kieran Healy http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/30/adventures-in-oz/comment-page-1/#comment-274046 Kieran Healy Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:40:26 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=10909#comment-274046 The Australian ... is Australia’s only ... newspaper ... I was ... mildly ... jumping ... In the hope of a double ... I['m] asking for a .. a large dose ... roughly ... dispensed. The Australian … is Australia’s only … newspaper … I was … mildly … jumping … In the hope of a double … I[‘m] asking for a .. a large dose … roughly … dispensed.

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